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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:11 pm    Post subject:

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How do y’all feel about Sharpe as a prospect?

Potentially a better Kyle O'Quinn.
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^Surprised. I'm considerably more optimistic.
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^Surprised. I'm considerably more optimistic.

I've always liked Kyle O'Quinn.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:11 am    Post subject:

JT Thor is in the draft: https://www.theplainsman.com/article/2021/06/jt-thor-staying-in-nba-draft-not-returning-to-auburn

Huge sleeper pick according to scout's projections in the 2nd round.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:21 am    Post subject:

Nah'Shon Hyland (VCU) received combine invite.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:43 am    Post subject:

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JT Thor is in the draft: https://www.theplainsman.com/article/2021/06/jt-thor-staying-in-nba-draft-not-returning-to-auburn

Huge sleeper pick according to scout's projections in the 2nd round.


That's why I have him mid to late 1st. But a lot to work on.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:28 pm    Post subject:

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Practice wrote:
How do y’all feel about Sharpe as a prospect?

Potentially a better Kyle O'Quinn.

Tony Bradley
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Practice wrote:
How do y’all feel about Sharpe as a prospect?

Potentially a better Kyle O'Quinn.

Tony Bradley

Better passer
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How do y’all feel about Sharpe as a prospect?

Potentially a better Kyle O'Quinn.

Tony Bradley

Better passer

Correct.

Bradley better skilled offensively including mid-range.

What concerns me is lack of quickness and vertical defense.
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PlantedTanks wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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How do y’all feel about Sharpe as a prospect?

Potentially a better Kyle O'Quinn.

Tony Bradley

Better passer

Correct.

Bradley better skilled offensively including mid-range.

What concerns me is lack of quickness and vertical defense.


For me it's foul trouble. He's so dominant a rebounder and an above average passer for a big, that he'd do well with perimeter oriented teams, even if he can't do the outlier advanced defensive stuff.

I wouldn't want him as a shot creator though.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:20 pm    Post subject:

My UDFA South Bay Laker

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:50 am    Post subject:

^The video is inaccurate about the screening and him needing to stop short. The PGs didn't set him up properly AND all went too early.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:07 pm    Post subject:

To me the Lakers need to take a long look at Duarte if they keep their pick. Older, more developed physically, nice shooting stroke, good defender. Would fit nicely as back up 2. In fact I would start THT or Caruso at 2 next season and trade KCP for a signed Doug McDermott😎
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:17 pm    Post subject:

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To me the Lakers need to take a long look at Duarte if they keep their pick. Older, more developed physically, nice shooting stroke, good defender. Would fit nicely as back up 2. In fact I would start THT or Caruso at 2 next season and trade KCP for a signed Doug McDermott😎


I think LAL already proved that shooters that can't defend, don't play.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:12 pm    Post subject:

What is the general thought on LAL's expected draft strategy @ #22? Is the priority on a guy that can contribute in 2021-22 or a guy with more upside in future years? I would think a guy like Duarte is more likely to potentially help off the bench next year, but I think there will be guys with much higher upside on the board @ #22.....and I would prefer the latter.

Personally, I would take a swing at a guy that can be a starter on an AD led team....and I would buy a 2nd if I thought I could take another swing at an upside guy even if the percentages are low. I think the FO needs to be a little risky right now with so little draft capital or cap money to use in the near future, but my fear is it will be all about next year.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:20 pm    Post subject:

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To me the Lakers need to take a long look at Duarte if they keep their pick. Older, more developed physically, nice shooting stroke, good defender. Would fit nicely as back up 2. In fact I would start THT or Caruso at 2 next season and trade KCP for a signed Doug McDermott😎


I think LAL already proved that shooters that can't defend, don't play.


I think he would play enough to make his mark.....maybe not crunch time but his shot would be a great asset for LeBron and the Lakers
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To me the Lakers need to take a long look at Duarte if they keep their pick. Older, more developed physically, nice shooting stroke, good defender. Would fit nicely as back up 2. In fact I would start THT or Caruso at 2 next season and trade KCP for a signed Doug McDermott😎


I think LAL already proved that shooters that can't defend, don't play.


I think he would play enough to make his mark.....maybe not crunch time but his shot would be a great asset for LeBron and the Lakers


I mean LAL is where shooters go to die. Danny Green, Wes Mathews, McLemore, even Schroeder was 38.5% at OKC and KCP just disappeared.

I disagree that shooting fixes everything for LAL, which is especially why I'm not looking at that one specific skill for the draft.
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What is the general thought on LAL's expected draft strategy @ #22? Is the priority on a guy that can contribute in 2021-22 or a guy with more upside in future years? I would think a guy like Duarte is more likely to potentially help off the bench next year, but I think there will be guys with much higher upside on the board @ #22.....and I would prefer the latter.

Personally, I would take a swing at a guy that can be a starter on an AD led team....and I would buy a 2nd if I thought I could take another swing at an upside guy even if the percentages are low. I think the FO needs to be a little risky right now with so little draft capital or cap money to use in the near future, but my fear is it will be all about next year.

Is Chris Duarte a better prospect than Josh Hart?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:51 am    Post subject:

He's an older one by 2 years.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:16 am    Post subject:

https://theanalyst.com/na/2021/06/2021-nba-draft-prospects-player-comparisons/
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:49 am    Post subject:

Hey y’all it’s Kiroe. Hope everyone’s doing great! Really. Bless y’all.

So of course as Yimoma properly brings up the question - who are some potential plug and play guys; as we’re contending and have holes.
@LakersMD brought up a name that I’m starting to like - Trey Murphy. He’s a mid 40s 3pt shooting 6’9 long wing who is widely regarded as a good defender + potential “go stick him” chess piece. I like to look at tools - and he has them: very good feet and hips, near Brandon Ingram length, his arms are always up and active, always gets a good contest. I’m not sure but I think the consensus on him is a fringe 1st round guy. He’s a legit, widely regarded good 1v1 defender; and he’s a high volume 43% 3pt shooter. He’s an above average leaper; some huge dunks.

What’s his shot like: he has a mid level release, not high but above the shoulder on his right side - sometimes this low-ish release gets him in trouble. Nonetheless he sets his feet quickly, relocates and sets quickly - these are traits that should help him at the next level.
He’s not totally inept as a traditional SF ballhandler - he can attack closeouts but you don’t want him creating simply because he can’t shoot off the dribble and isn’t a good finisher if it’s not a dunk.


My favorite player in the draft is JT Thor.. not the best player but he’s an underrated potential 2way Lamar Odom type. Not as much handles/passing as Odom, but uptick the shooting greatly - and he’s a really good long defender. Shoots off the dribble 3s.
He’s something of a project, although he can shoot right now and has defense chops - he’s just like 15lbs underweight from being a solid NBA PF right now. He has some AD length blocks.. and his shooting off the dribble for his size and length is special.

I also like Vrenz. He’s a pure project.. but I don’t doubt him becoming a really good 3pt shooter. Has Houston Chandler Parson’s offensive upside.

Miles McBride is interesting but he’s yet another combo guard - he doesn’t fill a need for us and I’m not completely convinced of his shooting profile - I think he’ll be a solid shooter from 3. But some of his shooting from 10-15ft is just oddly bad. I don’t too much trust his form; but concede with his %s shooting this year specifically (11%uptick and FTs) he’ll be a solid C&S guy.

But, we need a player who can defend the Booker’s and modern wings.. Or we need a PG who can distribute. McBride is a really good feisty defender, but he’s bordering 6’3 ; and he’s a combo guard with a non PG handle.. he has some skill potential - Id probably rank him at least early 20s in the draft, but I don’t care for his fit with us.

I really like Davion Mitchell. Some of his attacking plays are special..the burst and moves are there. He’d be the 2 way impact small guard id be ok with. Because we could also use another player who can just create his own, defend, and shoot.

Who are the more pure set-up PGs?

Daishen Nix is raw but intruiging. He’s 6’5 in shoes, got THT’s body without outlier length. His Jumper and form is coming along. He’s a former QB and can really pass the ball well; but he also has some score 1st instincts. He’s a multi year project, but I’m for drafting a PG in general. He’s kind of an Andre Miller comp.

Another PG is David Johnson from Louisville .. his P&R passing is high level. He’s another tall and big PG. He’s longer than Nix and a better defender. If his 3pt form wasn’t iffy, and low volume ; I’d have no qualms at all about drafting him. He plays the big PG game really well. And I really like his defensive potential.

edit: so David Johnson reminds me of Malcom Brogdon in a lot of ways. same big guard size.. a combo guard that has legit PG chops, he can run your offense at times and orchestrate really well; can make some great great passes in the P&R consistently. He's a legit defender, both 1v1 he's solid but he also has team D instincts - it's a joy to watch Caruso play - and Johnson has a bit of those instincts. The more I watch his jumper - there's a chance it could be decent early... With the college line being closer to the NBA the past 2 years - shooting translation is easier to count on and predict. He could clean up his form this summer and be a decent shooter - his form even reminds me of Brogdon a bit.
Honeslty - we have 3 holes in our team that could hinder us from a ring - shooting, a good passing creator besides Bron, and a defender for great wings. shooting+defender are probably the 2 main weaknesses we need to address - I doubt Johnson addresses either.. but he's got a chance to be a really good player.
https://youtu.be/C6zErvKPurk?t=323 here's a nice play from him - he crashed for an Oboard and is stuck - fires a crosscourt bounce pass in between players into a teammates shooting pocket - then he gets another Oboard layup to finish the posession. He's a really good rebounder - he's probably 6"5.5 and long. I actually think he can defend big SGs well.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:13 pm    Post subject:

my undrafted or buy a 2nd round pick guy = Makur Maker. He has a better jumper than his cousin, is way heavier and stronger (he's really strong), he's super long.. I think his jumper could be legit; and maybe he's a good defender at the next level - he has the tools, idk about IQ. But I'd love to draft him late in the 2nd. He's training with D.Collison here in LA. I think he could be one of the best shooting bigs in the draft and a 2 way player. I'm not for drafting a Center with the 22nd pick, because I think decent rotation bigs are relatively easy to acquire.. But I'd love to draft a potential stretch 5 in the late 2nd round.
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Mark10 45 wrote:
Hey y’all it’s Kiroe. Hope everyone’s doing great! Really. Bless y’all.

So of course as Yimoma properly brings up the question - who are some potential plug and play guys; as we’re contending and have holes.
@LakersMD brought up a name that I’m starting to like - Trey Murphy. He’s a mid 40s 3pt shooting 6’9 long wing who is widely regarded as a good defender + potential “go stick him” chess piece. I like to look at tools - and he has them: very good feet and hips, near Brandon Ingram length, his arms are always up and active, always gets a good contest. I’m not sure but I think the consensus on him is a fringe 1st round guy. He’s a legit, widely regarded good 1v1 defender; and he’s a high volume 43% 3pt shooter. He’s an above average leaper; some huge dunks.

What’s his shot like: he has a mid level release, not high but above the shoulder on his right side - sometimes this low-ish release gets him in trouble. Nonetheless he sets his feet quickly, relocates and sets quickly - these are traits that should help him at the next level.
He’s not totally inept as a traditional SF ballhandler - he can attack closeouts but you don’t want him creating simply because he can’t shoot off the dribble and isn’t a good finisher if it’s not a dunk.


My favorite player in the draft is JT Thor.. not the best player but he’s an underrated potential 2way Lamar Odom type. Not as much handles/passing as Odom, but uptick the shooting greatly - and he’s a really good long defender. Shoots off the dribble 3s.
He’s something of a project, although he can shoot right now and has defense chops - he’s just like 15lbs underweight from being a solid NBA PF right now. He has some AD length blocks.. and his shooting off the dribble for his size and length is special.

I also like Vrenz. He’s a pure project.. but I don’t doubt him becoming a really good 3pt shooter. Has Houston Chandler Parson’s offensive upside.

Miles McBride is interesting but he’s yet another combo guard - he doesn’t fill a need for us and I’m not completely convinced of his shooting profile - I think he’ll be a solid shooter from 3. But some of his shooting from 10-15ft is just oddly bad. I don’t too much trust his form; but concede with his %s shooting this year specifically (11%uptick and FTs) he’ll be a solid C&S guy.

But, we need a player who can defend the Booker’s and modern wings.. Or we need a PG who can distribute. McBride is a really good feisty defender, but he’s bordering 6’3 ; and he’s a combo guard with a non PG handle.. he has some skill potential - Id probably rank him at least early 20s in the draft, but I don’t care for his fit with us.

I really like Davion Mitchell. Some of his attacking plays are special..the burst and moves are there. He’d be the 2 way impact small guard id be ok with. Because we could also use another player who can just create his own, defend, and shoot.

Who are the more pure set-up PGs?

Daishen Nix is raw but intruiging. He’s 6’5 in shoes, got THT’s body without outlier length. His Jumper and form is coming along. He’s a former QB and can really pass the ball well; but he also has some score 1st instincts. He’s a multi year project, but I’m for drafting a PG in general. He’s kind of an Andre Miller comp.

Another PG is David Johnson from Louisville .. his P&R passing is high level. He’s another tall and big PG. He’s longer than Nix and a better defender. If his 3pt form wasn’t iffy, and low volume ; I’d have no qualms at all about drafting him. He plays the big PG game really well. And I really like his defensive potential.

edit: so David Johnson reminds me of Malcom Brogdon in a lot of ways. same big guard size.. a combo guard that has legit PG chops, he can run your offense at times and orchestrate really well; can make some great great passes in the P&R consistently. He's a legit defender, both 1v1 he's solid but he also has team D instincts - it's a joy to watch Caruso play - and Johnson has a bit of those instincts. The more I watch his jumper - there's a chance it could be decent early... With the college line being closer to the NBA the past 2 years - shooting translation is easier to count on and predict. He could clean up his form this summer and be a decent shooter - his form even reminds me of Brogdon a bit.
Honeslty - we have 3 holes in our team that could hinder us from a ring - shooting, a good passing creator besides Bron, and a defender for great wings. shooting+defender are probably the 2 main weaknesses we need to address - I doubt Johnson addresses either.. but he's got a chance to be a really good player.
https://youtu.be/C6zErvKPurk?t=323 here's a nice play from him - he crashed for an Oboard and is stuck - fires a crosscourt bounce pass in between players into a teammates shooting pocket - then he gets another Oboard layup to finish the posession. He's a really good rebounder - he's probably 6"5.5 and long. I actually think he can defend big SGs well.



Excellent analysis! Just curious, why did you change your name?
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