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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:20 pm    Post subject:

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Keon Johnson- 48 inch vertical leap!!!

How much can freakish athleticism overcome lack of skill in such a small dude?


Not enough in the modern NBA.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:21 pm    Post subject:

This is where I'm at on Scottie Barnes in the top 10:
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Related--the (draft position) of the Top 10 defenders in 5 year D-RAPM:

1. Gobert (27)
2. Giannis (15)
3. Embiid (3)
4. Jimmy (30)
5. Covington (UD)
6. Winslow (10)
7. Brow (1)
8. Nurkic (16)
9. PG (10)
10. Roberson (26)

Predicting elite defense is hard. Lots of 10-30 picks.

https://twitter.com/EVR1022/status/1407753320865861635
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:25 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Keon Johnson- 48 inch vertical leap!!!

How much can freakish athleticism overcome lack of skill in such a small dude?


Not enough in the modern NBA.

I think Keon has more of a guard "vibe" than Zhaire and ZS had the freakish food poisoning incident that helped derail his career, but a skinny 6'4.75 dude with a sub 6'8 wingspan without a hint of PG skill who needs to completely rework his shot? There's almost no way the team that drafts him gets anything positive from him on his first contract.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:37 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
This is where I'm at on Scottie Barnes in the top 10:
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Related--the (draft position) of the Top 10 defenders in 5 year D-RAPM:

1. Gobert (27)
2. Giannis (15)
3. Embiid (3)
4. Jimmy (30)
5. Covington (UD)
6. Winslow (10)
7. Brow (1)
8. Nurkic (16)
9. PG (10)
10. Roberson (26)

Predicting elite defense is hard. Lots of 10-30 picks.

https://twitter.com/EVR1022/status/1407753320865861635


I think there's flaws with his reasoning.

The closest guy that resembles Barnes' physical tools is Winslow, and he doesn't have Winslow's base. While I'm optimistic about Barnes defensively, it's really just at the 4 slot on both ends of the floor, like a grounded Boris Diaw.

All of the guys mentioned have outlier physical tools.

The lack of shooting and explosiveness at the rim hurts, and sounds a ton like Winslow anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:39 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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Keon Johnson- 48 inch vertical leap!!!

How much can freakish athleticism overcome lack of skill in such a small dude?


Not enough in the modern NBA.

I think Keon has more of a guard "vibe" than Zhaire and ZS had the freakish food poisoning incident that helped derail his career, but a skinny 6'4.75 dude with a sub 6'8 wingspan without a hint of PG skill who needs to completely rework his shot? There's almost no way the team that drafts him gets anything positive from him on his first contract.


Keon has more guard vibe. Zhaire got the draft jump because of his Marion-like off ball ability.

I just get a Corey Brewer vibe, where he's too fast for his own body, and not enough halfcourt skill outside of finishing to compensate, so he's a bit of a skills project.

But some DT guys are optimistic about him developing ball handling and speaking in terms that are above me. Either way, he doesn't make it to a Laker pick.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:06 pm    Post subject:

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The updated Bleacher Report Mock (Wasserman) has the Lakers taking Cam Thomas @ #22....and the updated Athletic mock (Vecenie) has the Lakers taking Duarte @ #22.


Duarte would be a steal for the Lakers


Taking a 24 year old in a draft is anything but a steal.


2nd best shooter in the draft and ready to go day 1. Laker steal baby
Unfortunately, someone else will steal him first......probably the damn Hawks like when they stole Huerter
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College - West Virginia is home of the Mike Ganseys and the Kevin Pittsnogles, and Da'Sean Butlers and Devin Ebankses, and you can't name an NBA prospect from them.


Not sure that is fair to Da'Sean Butler....he was going to be a 1st Round selection until he blew out his knee in the Final 4.

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To elaborate the retrograde stuff - the guy never really gets to the rim or really takes threes.


I do not think never takes threes is an accurate description. He shot over 41% on almost 4 attempts a game. While that is not high volume, that is fairly solid volume. I do not have access to his numbers attacking the rim, but I feel like my memory is full of Deuce taking it to the rim for buckets.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:11 pm    Post subject:

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So the only Klutch guys remotely in the Lakers range are Kai Jones (would probably need a small trade up) and BJ Boston (hopefully a trade back if they select him). Moses Moody and Jalen Johnson seem too far out of the Lakers range - lord, imagine Moody on the Lakers! - and Scottie Lewis is likely a #45-60 pick or undrafted.


Yup, Moody would be ideal, Kai definite requires a trade up to at least mid 1st.

BJ Boston killed it in HS. Kinda need him to be a scrimmage warrior to see if anything changed.


To me, BJ just doesn't pass the eye test. Lacks something
Would love Tai to slip.
Still praying on Duarte but would not be mad at Roko, McBride, or Williams
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:31 pm    Post subject:

lakerfanaticPT wrote:
Megaton wrote:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
adkindo wrote:
The updated Bleacher Report Mock (Wasserman) has the Lakers taking Cam Thomas @ #22....and the updated Athletic mock (Vecenie) has the Lakers taking Duarte @ #22.


Duarte would be a steal for the Lakers


Taking a 24 year old in a draft is anything but a steal.


2nd best shooter in the draft and ready to go day 1. Laker steal baby
Unfortunately, someone else will steal him first......probably the damn Hawks like when they stole Huerter

Doubtful. There are a number of guys with better shooting profiles who will go second round or undrafted. Duarte has the most well rounded game/athletic profile amongst most of that crew.

But Joe Wieskamp drafted at #42 could easily end up being better than Duarte. There's nothing really special about Chris.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:54 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
Megaton wrote:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
adkindo wrote:
The updated Bleacher Report Mock (Wasserman) has the Lakers taking Cam Thomas @ #22....and the updated Athletic mock (Vecenie) has the Lakers taking Duarte @ #22.


Duarte would be a steal for the Lakers


Taking a 24 year old in a draft is anything but a steal.


2nd best shooter in the draft and ready to go day 1. Laker steal baby
Unfortunately, someone else will steal him first......probably the damn Hawks like when they stole Huerter

Doubtful. There are a number of guys with better shooting profiles who will go second round or undrafted. Duarte has the most well rounded game/athletic profile amongst most of that crew.

But Joe Wieskamp drafted at #42 could easily end up being better than Duarte. There's nothing really special about Chris.


And that's what makes the draft so awesome. Everybody has their point of view.
Appreciate yours, but I would love me some Duarte at 22 if available:)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:05 am    Post subject:

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Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
So the only Klutch guys remotely in the Lakers range are Kai Jones (would probably need a small trade up) and BJ Boston (hopefully a trade back if they select him). Moses Moody and Jalen Johnson seem too far out of the Lakers range - lord, imagine Moody on the Lakers! - and Scottie Lewis is likely a #45-60 pick or undrafted.


Yup, Moody would be ideal, Kai definite requires a trade up to at least mid 1st.

BJ Boston killed it in HS. Kinda need him to be a scrimmage warrior to see if anything changed.


To me, BJ just doesn't pass the eye test. Lacks something
Would love Tai to slip.
Still praying on Duarte but would not be mad at Roko, McBride, or Williams


BJ lacks strength, advanced handle, has a gather like Josh Jackson. Just didn't look comfortable shooting at the NCAA level and his confidence wavered midseason with the ridiculously tight spacing.

But, other players have tight spacing too and find ways to excel.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:07 am    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
Megaton wrote:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
adkindo wrote:
The updated Bleacher Report Mock (Wasserman) has the Lakers taking Cam Thomas @ #22....and the updated Athletic mock (Vecenie) has the Lakers taking Duarte @ #22.


Duarte would be a steal for the Lakers


Taking a 24 year old in a draft is anything but a steal.


2nd best shooter in the draft and ready to go day 1. Laker steal baby
Unfortunately, someone else will steal him first......probably the damn Hawks like when they stole Huerter

Doubtful. There are a number of guys with better shooting profiles who will go second round or undrafted. Duarte has the most well rounded game/athletic profile amongst most of that crew.

But Joe Wieskamp drafted at #42 could easily end up being better than Duarte. There's nothing really special about Chris.


The refinement. The ancillary skills aren't low. Wieskamp doesn't create shots to Duarte's level, and I don't believe him as a shooter (because it's not as diverse) or as an athlete because you don't see a ton of it being used on the court.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:31 am    Post subject:

Thoughts on Cam Thomas?

So he’s a scoring machine and has a good mid range but his 3pt shot isn’t that efficient right?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:35 am    Post subject:

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Thoughts on Cam Thomas?

So he’s a scoring machine and has a good mid range but his 3pt shot isn’t that efficient right?


I'm not a fan. Can't do anything except create his own shot.
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Thoughts on Cam Thomas?

So he’s a scoring machine and has a good mid range but his 3pt shot isn’t that efficient right?


I'm not a fan. Can't do anything except create his own shot.


Seems like a relatively useful single skill lol
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Mike@LG wrote:
iimarshon wrote:
Thoughts on Cam Thomas?

So he’s a scoring machine and has a good mid range but his 3pt shot isn’t that efficient right?


I'm not a fan. Can't do anything except create his own shot.


Seems like a relatively useful single skill lol
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:42 am    Post subject:

iimarshon wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
iimarshon wrote:
Thoughts on Cam Thomas?

So he’s a scoring machine and has a good mid range but his 3pt shot isn’t that efficient right?


I'm not a fan. Can't do anything except create his own shot.


Seems like a relatively useful single skill lol

Are you a big Malik Monk fan?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:42 am    Post subject:

Lakers have interviewed Springer and Trey Murphy III so far.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:55 pm    Post subject:

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Lakers have interviewed Springer and Trey Murphy III so far.



Corey Kispert also
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:01 pm    Post subject:

Sandro and Bones showing out at combine scrimmages?

Somewhere Mike (@) LG is nodding.
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Sandro and Bones showing out at combine scrimmages?

Somewhere Mike ( a t ) LG is nodding.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:07 pm    Post subject:

Bones apparently whooped Cooper and McBride at a BOS workout.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:25 pm    Post subject:

Mike, any thoughts on Josh Primo?

He looks like he could create, dribble and pass?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:33 pm    Post subject:

Trey Murphy mini interview
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Mike, any thoughts on Josh Primo?

He looks like he could create, dribble and pass?


I like him. Can't defend. More of a long term guy.
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