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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Cameron Thomas to the Lakers at 22? |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:02 am Post subject: |
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I'm not a fan. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Man, Keon and Bouknight are tiny dudes. Skinny sub-6'5 SGs with 6'7-6'8 wingspans? KCP was 6'5.5 and 203 lbs coming out of Georgia for comparison. Is there a precedent for guys built like Johnson and Bouknight finding high level success in the pros?
Davion Mitchell is a small human being. Sharife Cooper looks like he chickened out or got a promise.
Ziaire Williams at 6'10 with his movement and ball skills is super interesting if he's not a fake shooter.
Roko is a big boy already. |
The smaller the player, the more outlier the skill has to be to create a successful NBA career.
Things get really fun when you see a draft board and just try to pick the 20 guys that'll actually have a successful NBA career.
I tried, and I'm down to 17. |
Holy hell, Mike!!!!
Sharife didn't chicken out on the height measurement - he came in at 6'4 in shoes!!!
That can't be right. Has to be a typo. Nuts. _________________ Under New Management |
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Mark10 45 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:07 am Post subject: |
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Cam Thomas withdrew and went back to LSU, as of yesterday.
I knew my guy David Johnson had crazy length.
Scottie Lewis with great length as well. nice. 8'5.5 reach 7'0 ws, at 6'5.5 in shoes. he needed those measurements with his weight.
Raiquan Gray measured like a small-ball PF , good for him.
Tre Mann has Jordan Clarkson's 8'2.5 solid reach |
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Mark10 45 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:07 am Post subject: |
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maybe they messed up with Cooper's hair |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Man, Keon and Bouknight are tiny dudes. Skinny sub-6'5 SGs with 6'7-6'8 wingspans? KCP was 6'5.5 and 203 lbs coming out of Georgia for comparison. Is there a precedent for guys built like Johnson and Bouknight finding high level success in the pros?
Davion Mitchell is a small human being. Sharife Cooper looks like he chickened out or got a promise.
Ziaire Williams at 6'10 with his movement and ball skills is super interesting if he's not a fake shooter.
Roko is a big boy already. |
The smaller the player, the more outlier the skill has to be to create a successful NBA career.
Things get really fun when you see a draft board and just try to pick the 20 guys that'll actually have a successful NBA career.
I tried, and I'm down to 17. |
Holy hell, Mike!!!!
Sharife didn't chicken out on the height measurement - he came in at 6'4 in shoes!!!
That can't be right. Has to be a typo. Nuts. |
I swear they measured his hair.
None of us believe it. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Mark10 45 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Kispert has a halfway decent reach, 8'6.
Didn't expect Keon to weigh less than Scottie Lewis
Josh Primo measured very well.
Greg Brown is like Kuzma length and height |
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Mark10 45 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Man, Keon and Bouknight are tiny dudes. Skinny sub-6'5 SGs with 6'7-6'8 wingspans? KCP was 6'5.5 and 203 lbs coming out of Georgia for comparison. Is there a precedent for guys built like Johnson and Bouknight finding high level success in the pros?
Davion Mitchell is a small human being. Sharife Cooper looks like he chickened out or got a promise.
Ziaire Williams at 6'10 with his movement and ball skills is super interesting if he's not a fake shooter.
Roko is a big boy already - 225 with 7% bf at age 18. That kid could be molded into a rock.
If you're into Ayo Dosunmu, he's got the DLo 6'5 with 6'10+ wingspan going for him. |
Bouknight is .25 taller than Beal, with 2 inches more reach, same ws
Also an inch taller than Clarkson with 3 inches more reach, same ws
Inch taller than Mccullum with much more length |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Mark10 45 wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Man, Keon and Bouknight are tiny dudes. Skinny sub-6'5 SGs with 6'7-6'8 wingspans? KCP was 6'5.5 and 203 lbs coming out of Georgia for comparison. Is there a precedent for guys built like Johnson and Bouknight finding high level success in the pros?
Davion Mitchell is a small human being. Sharife Cooper looks like he chickened out or got a promise.
Ziaire Williams at 6'10 with his movement and ball skills is super interesting if he's not a fake shooter.
Roko is a big boy already - 225 with 7% bf at age 18. That kid could be molded into a rock.
If you're into Ayo Dosunmu, he's got the DLo 6'5 with 6'10+ wingspan going for him. |
Bouknight is .25 taller than Beal, with 2 inches more reach, same ws
Also an inch taller than Clarkson with 3 inches more reach, same ws
Inch taller than Mccullum with much more length |
I forgot how tiny Beal was. So that's the upside hope for Bouknight. _________________ Under New Management |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Gonna wait for the data to normalize, but Joe Wieskamp being an athletic freak would be a nice surprise. _________________ Under New Management |
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Mark10 45 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Mark10 45 wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Man, Keon and Bouknight are tiny dudes. Skinny sub-6'5 SGs with 6'7-6'8 wingspans? KCP was 6'5.5 and 203 lbs coming out of Georgia for comparison. Is there a precedent for guys built like Johnson and Bouknight finding high level success in the pros?
Davion Mitchell is a small human being. Sharife Cooper looks like he chickened out or got a promise.
Ziaire Williams at 6'10 with his movement and ball skills is super interesting if he's not a fake shooter.
Roko is a big boy already - 225 with 7% bf at age 18. That kid could be molded into a rock.
If you're into Ayo Dosunmu, he's got the DLo 6'5 with 6'10+ wingspan going for him. |
Bouknight is .25 taller than Beal, with 2 inches more reach, same ws
Also an inch taller than Clarkson with 3 inches more reach, same ws
Inch taller than Mccullum with much more length |
I forgot how tiny Beal was. So that's the upside hope for Bouknight. |
yea Beal is kind of his archetype. Oladipo has pretty identical measurements too, Oladipo +1 wingspan, Bouknight +1 reach so it's even.height too |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Mark10 45 wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Mark10 45 wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Man, Keon and Bouknight are tiny dudes. Skinny sub-6'5 SGs with 6'7-6'8 wingspans? KCP was 6'5.5 and 203 lbs coming out of Georgia for comparison. Is there a precedent for guys built like Johnson and Bouknight finding high level success in the pros?
Davion Mitchell is a small human being. Sharife Cooper looks like he chickened out or got a promise.
Ziaire Williams at 6'10 with his movement and ball skills is super interesting if he's not a fake shooter.
Roko is a big boy already - 225 with 7% bf at age 18. That kid could be molded into a rock.
If you're into Ayo Dosunmu, he's got the DLo 6'5 with 6'10+ wingspan going for him. |
Bouknight is .25 taller than Beal, with 2 inches more reach, same ws
Also an inch taller than Clarkson with 3 inches more reach, same ws
Inch taller than Mccullum with much more length |
I forgot how tiny Beal was. So that's the upside hope for Bouknight. |
yea Beal is kind of his archetype. Oladipo has pretty identical measurements too, Oladipo +1 wingspan, Bouknight +1 reach so it's even.height too |
Oladipo is built like a tank, though. Also even before his injuries V.O.'s been an underwhelming inefficient volume scorer for all but 1.5 seasons of his career. _________________ Under New Management |
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Mark10 45 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:13 am Post subject: |
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true. how much taller & longer he is than Clarkson and Mccullum is something though
Btw Horton Tucker only had 8.4% body fat at his combine |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: |
Gonna wait for the data to normalize, but Joe Wieskamp being an athletic freak would be a nice surprise. |
Never really saw it in games, so I'm not buying it much. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Mark10 45 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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EJ Onu is absolutely massive 9'6r 7'8ws stop
How did he look at the scrimmage? |
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Luminous8 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Mark10 45 wrote: | Cam Thomas withdrew and went back to LSU, as of yesterday.
I knew my guy David Johnson had crazy length.
Scottie Lewis with great length as well. nice. 8'5.5 reach 7'0 ws, at 6'5.5 in shoes. he needed those measurements with his weight.
Raiquan Gray measured like a small-ball PF , good for him.
Tre Mann has Jordan Clarkson's 8'2.5 solid reach |
Thomas didn’t withdraw from the draft. He and Jackson only withdrew from the combine. 1st rd promises expected. |
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Luminous8 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Mark10 45 wrote: | Cam Thomas withdrew and went back to LSU, as of yesterday.
I knew my guy David Johnson had crazy length.
Scottie Lewis with great length as well. nice. 8'5.5 reach 7'0 ws, at 6'5.5 in shoes. he needed those measurements with his weight.
Raiquan Gray measured like a small-ball PF , good for him.
Tre Mann has Jordan Clarkson's 8'2.5 solid reach |
Raiquan coming in close to 6’8” surprises me. I was expecting a tall 6’6”.
His 17% body fat actually makes me like him more. Sure you could see it as hun not taking care of his body, but I see a guy who’s no athletic slouch now, put him in a good nba level conditioning program?! Geez. He may find yet another level of athleticism. |
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Luminous8 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Geezzzzz. I knew Sims could jump but 37” no step? 44.5 max?!?! |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Luminous8 wrote: | Mark10 45 wrote: | Cam Thomas withdrew and went back to LSU, as of yesterday.
I knew my guy David Johnson had crazy length.
Scottie Lewis with great length as well. nice. 8'5.5 reach 7'0 ws, at 6'5.5 in shoes. he needed those measurements with his weight.
Raiquan Gray measured like a small-ball PF , good for him.
Tre Mann has Jordan Clarkson's 8'2.5 solid reach |
Raiquan coming in close to 6’8” surprises me. I was expecting a tall 6’6”.
His 17% body fat actually makes me like him more. Sure you could see it as hun not taking care of his body, but I see a guy who’s no athletic slouch now, put him in a good nba level conditioning program?! Geez. He may find yet another level of athleticism. |
I'm not as optimistic. A guy really needs to change their habits to make it work, and they can't outwork their diet. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Megaton wrote: |
Jericho Sims looks like an athletic freak in the draft, let alone as a Center. Jesus at that vertical leap.
I’m curious on his real height. I wish he was an inch or two taller. What’s his wingspan? |
It's the one thing he does well. I'm not optimistic about his actual basketball ability. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Givony (ESPN) now has moved Deuce McBride into the 1st Round @ #30 to Utah. I think his wingspan and vertical numbers today are only the beginning to his climb. He will excel in workouts. I now expect him to go in the top 25.
It is Insider article...
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31639869/2021-nba-mock-draft-projections-all-60-picks-lottery
He has us taking Duarte like many other mocks. I would be ok with the pick, but it would not be my 1st, 2nd or 5th guy that will likely be on the board at that time. I would prefer McBride over Duarte based on potential. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Megaton wrote: |
Jericho Sims looks like an athletic freak in the draft, let alone as a Center. Jesus at that vertical leap.
I’m curious on his real height. I wish he was an inch or two taller. What’s his wingspan? |
Every year at Texas, he made athletic plays that would blow your mind out of nowhere....but it was always flashes. He will defend, set good screens and rebound....but he does not really have any offensive game outside highlight dunks. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress
West Virginia's Deuce McBride was absolutely on fire to start the shooting drills at the NBA Combine. Really popped physically and defensively, recently moving into the late first round of the ESPN mock draft.
10:07 PM · Jun 22, 2021 |
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1407520653696241673 |
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