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LGFan
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| petergr wrote: | this is a loaded Point Guard class with CP3, Lowry, Mike Conley, Lonzo, Dinwiddie, D Rose, Devonte Graham
There are also players like Goran Dragic, Patty Mills, Cameron Payne, Reggie Jackson, Austin Rivers, Ish Smith, Lou williams
Even if CP3 and Conley return to their current teams, I dont see why any team would be desperate to chase Schroeder. The market for that type of player will be non-tax payer MLE around 10M per year.
Forget about being a trade chip, he wont even be tradable if Lakers overpay. I think anything beyond 2yr 30 M will make him hard to move without attaching draft picks. |
agree i dont see any team running to give him 100m contract. i dont even think he is clarkson level player honestly |
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petergr
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Knicks are pretty much the only team with a strong need and cap space...if they get some one like CP3, Lowry, Conley, Ball or trade for Lillard or Ben Simmons...then the market for Scroeder becomes cold very fast. They might even bring back D Rose and get another back up point guard.
Then there are teams like Bulls, Heat, Pelicans, Mavs who cannot over spend on an average player. |
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LGFan
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| petergr wrote: | Knicks are pretty much the only team with a strong need and cap space...if they get some one like CP3, Lowry, Conley, Ball or trade for Lillard or Ben Simmons...then the market for Scroeder becomes cold very fast. They might even bring back D Rose and get another back up point guard.
Then there are teams like Bulls, Heat, Pelicans, Mavs who cannot over spend on an average player. |
Remember Knicks have to pay thibs fav : d Rose this summer.
Are they really going to pay both Dennis and Rose? |
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LakerSD
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Best case scenario for Schroder is Bulls strike out on Lonzo and Donovan tells Bulls FO get me Dennis.
Tbh that’s the only way he might get anything close to $18M in a S&T. I don’t see any other team being interested given his delusional demands. |
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LGFan
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| LakerSD wrote: | Best case scenario for Schroder is Bulls strike out on Lonzo and Donovan tells Bulls FO get me Dennis.
Tbh that’s the only way he might get anything close to $18M in a S&T. I don’t see any other team being interested given his delusional demands. |
Do the bulls really want to get stuck paying Dennis 18-20m when they soon have to pay lavine supermax and already have vuc at max?
I don't know |
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petergr
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| yinoma2001 wrote: |
The players names are unlikely to take a MMLE or are difficult to trade for. Just can’t let a cap asset walk for nothing. I think the Lakers will make a smart move to ensure they get value for the cap spot he takes up, even if that means bringing him back. |
I agree that Lakers are in a tough spot with very little flexibility to replace him in free agency. There is lot of value in bringing him back provided the contract atleast has close to neutral trade value.
All I am saying is I don't see Scroeder having a lot of leverage....if other offers are only at MLE. |
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LakerSD
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| LGFan wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | Best case scenario for Schroder is Bulls strike out on Lonzo and Donovan tells Bulls FO get me Dennis.
Tbh that’s the only way he might get anything close to $18M in a S&T. I don’t see any other team being interested given his delusional demands. |
Do the bulls really want to get stuck paying Dennis 18-20m when they soon have to pay lavine supermax and already have vuc at max?
I don't know |
I wouldn’t if I’m the Bulls, but Donovan likes Schroder and if really wants him to run his program…they will acquire him and worry about the other moves later.
Basically, Dennis really screwed himself and only Donovan can really salvage the bag for him imo. |
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scout_0
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| No matter what we should resign him then ship him somewhere mid season or use him as a sixth man, we already know what he can do in that role. |
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| scout_0 wrote: | | No matter what we should resign him then ship him somewhere mid season or use him as a sixth man, we already know what he can do in that role. |
I also would welcome Dennis if he comes back in a friendly deal and accepts the role of sixth man which I think he can thrive I mean we just saw last season in OKC thriving in that role and heck even was the runner up for Sixth Man of the Year but knowing after her got traded here that he wanted to get the starting spot I don’t see him willing to do it has to much ego
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The Lakers would be better of letting DS walk away.
I can see if he had a good playoff run like KCP and Kuzma and contributed to a championship to have a big demand.
But he shot zero in the clutch and wants big bucks.
Draft a PG with the pick.
Keep Caruso and THT at reasonable contracts. |
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| LGFan wrote: | | petergr wrote: | this is a loaded Point Guard class with CP3, Lowry, Mike Conley, Lonzo, Dinwiddie, D Rose, Devonte Graham
There are also players like Goran Dragic, Patty Mills, Cameron Payne, Reggie Jackson, Austin Rivers, Ish Smith, Lou williams
Even if CP3 and Conley return to their current teams, I dont see why any team would be desperate to chase Schroeder. The market for that type of player will be non-tax payer MLE around 10M per year.
Forget about being a trade chip, he wont even be tradable if Lakers overpay. I think anything beyond 2yr 30 M will make him hard to move without attaching draft picks. |
agree i dont see any team running to give him 100m contract. i dont even think he is clarkson level player honestly |
Clarkson is definitely better than Schroder. That’s not even close now considering how well rounded of a scorer Clarkson has become. I’m proud of Mr. Pornstar control.
He’s also a player that is willing to…I don’t know…COME OFF THE DAMN BENCH?!
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| Megaton wrote: | | LGFan wrote: | | petergr wrote: | this is a loaded Point Guard class with CP3, Lowry, Mike Conley, Lonzo, Dinwiddie, D Rose, Devonte Graham
There are also players like Goran Dragic, Patty Mills, Cameron Payne, Reggie Jackson, Austin Rivers, Ish Smith, Lou williams
Even if CP3 and Conley return to their current teams, I dont see why any team would be desperate to chase Schroeder. The market for that type of player will be non-tax payer MLE around 10M per year.
Forget about being a trade chip, he wont even be tradable if Lakers overpay. I think anything beyond 2yr 30 M will make him hard to move without attaching draft picks. |
agree i dont see any team running to give him 100m contract. i dont even think he is clarkson level player honestly |
Clarkson is definitely better than Schroder. That’s not even close now considering how well rounded of a scorer Clarkson has become. I’m proud of Mr. Pornstar control.
He’s also a player that is willing to…I don’t know…COME OFF THE DAMN BENCH?! |
JC is the cautionary tale about getting underpaid. Same with Lou. Be a 6th man and you get half of what a typical starting point guard makes. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | LGFan wrote: | | petergr wrote: | this is a loaded Point Guard class with CP3, Lowry, Mike Conley, Lonzo, Dinwiddie, D Rose, Devonte Graham
There are also players like Goran Dragic, Patty Mills, Cameron Payne, Reggie Jackson, Austin Rivers, Ish Smith, Lou williams
Even if CP3 and Conley return to their current teams, I dont see why any team would be desperate to chase Schroeder. The market for that type of player will be non-tax payer MLE around 10M per year.
Forget about being a trade chip, he wont even be tradable if Lakers overpay. I think anything beyond 2yr 30 M will make him hard to move without attaching draft picks. |
agree i dont see any team running to give him 100m contract. i dont even think he is clarkson level player honestly |
Clarkson is definitely better than Schroder. That’s not even close now considering how well rounded of a scorer Clarkson has become. I’m proud of Mr. Pornstar control.
He’s also a player that is willing to…I don’t know…COME OFF THE DAMN BENCH?! |
JC is the cautionary tale about getting underpaid. Same with Lou. Be a 6th man and you get half of what a typical starting point guard makes. |
Clarkson got his money before being a sixth man though. Not exactly the same thing.
If Clarkson were a free agent NOW? After having the best season of his career? He would be getting a lot more money guaranteed.
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| Megaton wrote: | | LGFan wrote: | | petergr wrote: | this is a loaded Point Guard class with CP3, Lowry, Mike Conley, Lonzo, Dinwiddie, D Rose, Devonte Graham
There are also players like Goran Dragic, Patty Mills, Cameron Payne, Reggie Jackson, Austin Rivers, Ish Smith, Lou williams
Even if CP3 and Conley return to their current teams, I dont see why any team would be desperate to chase Schroeder. The market for that type of player will be non-tax payer MLE around 10M per year.
Forget about being a trade chip, he wont even be tradable if Lakers overpay. I think anything beyond 2yr 30 M will make him hard to move without attaching draft picks. |
agree i dont see any team running to give him 100m contract. i dont even think he is clarkson level player honestly |
Clarkson is definitely better than Schroder. That’s not even close now considering how well rounded of a scorer Clarkson has become. I’m proud of Mr. Pornstar control.
He’s also a player that is willing to…I don’t know…COME OFF THE DAMN BENCH?! |
Let it go.
If we had Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook, Schroeder would be coming off the bench. Clarkson would be coming here to start too if Caruso was the only other point guard.
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| MJST wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | LGFan wrote: | | petergr wrote: | this is a loaded Point Guard class with CP3, Lowry, Mike Conley, Lonzo, Dinwiddie, D Rose, Devonte Graham
There are also players like Goran Dragic, Patty Mills, Cameron Payne, Reggie Jackson, Austin Rivers, Ish Smith, Lou williams
Even if CP3 and Conley return to their current teams, I dont see why any team would be desperate to chase Schroeder. The market for that type of player will be non-tax payer MLE around 10M per year.
Forget about being a trade chip, he wont even be tradable if Lakers overpay. I think anything beyond 2yr 30 M will make him hard to move without attaching draft picks. |
agree i dont see any team running to give him 100m contract. i dont even think he is clarkson level player honestly |
Clarkson is definitely better than Schroder. That’s not even close now considering how well rounded of a scorer Clarkson has become. I’m proud of Mr. Pornstar control.
He’s also a player that is willing to…I don’t know…COME OFF THE DAMN BENCH?! |
Let it go.
If we had Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook, Schroeder would be coming off the bench. Clarkson would be coming here to start too if Caruso was the only other point guard. |
In the end who cares if DS starts.
As long as Alex closes over him.
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| Megaton wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | LGFan wrote: | | petergr wrote: | this is a loaded Point Guard class with CP3, Lowry, Mike Conley, Lonzo, Dinwiddie, D Rose, Devonte Graham
There are also players like Goran Dragic, Patty Mills, Cameron Payne, Reggie Jackson, Austin Rivers, Ish Smith, Lou williams
Even if CP3 and Conley return to their current teams, I dont see why any team would be desperate to chase Schroeder. The market for that type of player will be non-tax payer MLE around 10M per year.
Forget about being a trade chip, he wont even be tradable if Lakers overpay. I think anything beyond 2yr 30 M will make him hard to move without attaching draft picks. |
agree i dont see any team running to give him 100m contract. i dont even think he is clarkson level player honestly |
Clarkson is definitely better than Schroder. That’s not even close now considering how well rounded of a scorer Clarkson has become. I’m proud of Mr. Pornstar control.
He’s also a player that is willing to…I don’t know…COME OFF THE DAMN BENCH?! |
JC is the cautionary tale about getting underpaid. Same with Lou. Be a 6th man and you get half of what a typical starting point guard makes. |
Clarkson got his money before being a sixth man though. Not exactly the same thing.
If Clarkson were a free agent NOW? After having the best season of his career? He would be getting a lot more money guaranteed. |
He got paid around the same as before. While we may not like it, from a business standpoint, this is why Dennis probably wanted to start. Same with Dinwiddie but Irving would start and he wouldn’t have a basis for asking for $25m a year (lol). It’s a business decision. May not endear you with the fanbase. |
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| The difference between a starter and a bench player is consistency. Dennis is wildly inconsistent. 25 points one night, struggles to score double figures the next night. |
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| Megaton wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | LGFan wrote: | | petergr wrote: | this is a loaded Point Guard class with CP3, Lowry, Mike Conley, Lonzo, Dinwiddie, D Rose, Devonte Graham
There are also players like Goran Dragic, Patty Mills, Cameron Payne, Reggie Jackson, Austin Rivers, Ish Smith, Lou williams
Even if CP3 and Conley return to their current teams, I dont see why any team would be desperate to chase Schroeder. The market for that type of player will be non-tax payer MLE around 10M per year.
Forget about being a trade chip, he wont even be tradable if Lakers overpay. I think anything beyond 2yr 30 M will make him hard to move without attaching draft picks. |
agree i dont see any team running to give him 100m contract. i dont even think he is clarkson level player honestly |
Clarkson is definitely better than Schroder. That’s not even close now considering how well rounded of a scorer Clarkson has become. I’m proud of Mr. Pornstar control.
He’s also a player that is willing to…I don’t know…COME OFF THE DAMN BENCH?! |
JC is the cautionary tale about getting underpaid. Same with Lou. Be a 6th man and you get half of what a typical starting point guard makes. |
Clarkson got his money before being a sixth man though. Not exactly the same thing.
If Clarkson were a free agent NOW? After having the best season of his career? He would be getting a lot more money guaranteed. |
Jordan started his first two seasons. After the second season, he signed a 4-year, $50 million extension with the Lakers.
Since then, he's been a 6th man. His last extension, which was only a year ago, was also for 4-years, $50 million. Even though it's the same money, it's actually a bit of a decrease, since his starting salary for this contract rolls back $3 million from his ending salary of the last contract.
I know he won 6th of the Year this year. I question whether that alone would get him a big raise. Historically, winning the 6th man award hasn't resulted in a huge raise for the recipients. |
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| Megaton wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | LGFan wrote: | | petergr wrote: | this is a loaded Point Guard class with CP3, Lowry, Mike Conley, Lonzo, Dinwiddie, D Rose, Devonte Graham
There are also players like Goran Dragic, Patty Mills, Cameron Payne, Reggie Jackson, Austin Rivers, Ish Smith, Lou williams
Even if CP3 and Conley return to their current teams, I dont see why any team would be desperate to chase Schroeder. The market for that type of player will be non-tax payer MLE around 10M per year.
Forget about being a trade chip, he wont even be tradable if Lakers overpay. I think anything beyond 2yr 30 M will make him hard to move without attaching draft picks. |
agree i dont see any team running to give him 100m contract. i dont even think he is clarkson level player honestly |
Clarkson is definitely better than Schroder. That’s not even close now considering how well rounded of a scorer Clarkson has become. I’m proud of Mr. Pornstar control.
He’s also a player that is willing to…I don’t know…COME OFF THE DAMN BENCH?! |
JC is the cautionary tale about getting underpaid. Same with Lou. Be a 6th man and you get half of what a typical starting point guard makes. |
Clarkson got his money before being a sixth man though. Not exactly the same thing.
If Clarkson were a free agent NOW? After having the best season of his career? He would be getting a lot more money guaranteed. |
Jordan started his first two seasons. After the second season, he signed a 4-year, $50 million extension with the Lakers.
Since then, he's been a 6th man. His last extension, which was only a year ago, was also for 4-years, $50 million. Even though it's the same money, it's actually a bit of a decrease, since his starting salary for this contract rolls back $3 million from his ending salary of the last contract.
I know he won 6th of the Year this year. I question whether that alone would get him a big raise. Historically, winning the 6th man award hasn't resulted in a huge raise for the recipients. |
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You do not pay more than 16M for a guy like Dennis unless you are forced to and close to a championship which we are. We also have a need for his "tunnel vision" scoring due to the lack of scorers we have..
By having LeBron we can afford to start dennis at PG since we don't need the stability that a stsr point guard brings but any other team signing him to 20M wouldn't have a LeBron!
You add Dennis to lavine and the other guys and at best you are a 8th seed....
The Knicks add dennis and at best they don't get swept but still lose in the first round.
This sounds like smokescreen more than anything else.
Now if we are talking about Lonzo Ball who is younger and a better defender and is a guy who will elevate others game then maybe ill make that gamble.
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| I mean, we could just bring everybody back and make a (bleep) of trades in Jan-Feb… that works too |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | The difference between a starter and a bench player is consistency. Dennis is wildly inconsistent. 25 points one night, struggles to score double figures the next night. |
KCP.
If AC or THT started same story. |
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LGFan
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not a single report coming out saying lakers desperately trying to sign dennis.
makes me happy...get him out in a S&T... |
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None of them asking for $100 million so moot point
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | The difference between a starter and a bench player is consistency. Dennis is wildly inconsistent. 25 points one night, struggles to score double figures the next night. |
KCP.
If AC or THT started same story. |
None of them asking for $100 million so moot point |
That wasn’t the point you made though. |
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