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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:10 pm    Post subject: LAKERS -vs- HEAT - 10/2 - Thoughts and :-)) Ratings

Bombs Away... Maybe this game was won in the last one with Miami unable to run Dragic and Bam tonight. But the Heat shifted gears, bringing in their reserve bigs to stretch the floor and put the ball in Jimmy Butler’s hands to playmake.

Defensively, they only ran a few possessions of zone in the last game. Tonight, after seeing the Lakers build a lead early in the first quarter, they rolled it out for most of the night (65 possessions).

While this slowed the pace, it didn’t slow L.A.’s scoring. The Lakers tried to get middle of the zone, which they often did, but it mostly led to kickouts to shooters. There was an occasional high-low or ball fake and attack thrown in the mix early on, but it was largely the Lakers letting it fly on inside-out looks.

L.A. set a Finals record for most threes in a half with 27. They made 9 and led by 14 points. Not great shooting, but for this team good enough. They were certainly moving the ball (18 assists in the half on 26 makes). Every Laker who took a three in the half, made at least one. Some...only one. Regardless, they scored 39 points in that second quarter (they gave up 31).

In the second half, AD just went to work against the man coverage early. He was splashing jumpers, one after another, and when the Lakers were missing, he was getting to the rim for putbacks. Despite that, the Laker defense just couldn’t get stops. Their switches were confused at times, guys were fouling, the Heat were slipping screens, rolling and getting to the freethrow line. They’d scored 39 points in the third. Thankfully, the Lakers were still scoring at a high clip.

“We’re fouling too much,” Vogel said heading into the fourth. They weren’t getting turnovers, either, on the defensive end to get out on the break.

Taking a 10-point lead into the fourth, the Lakers have shown they can hold a lead. The game tightened up on both ends. The Lakers got some key scores with their bigs in the backside of the zone against the smaller Heat players. The Heat could never chip away at that 10-point lead as the Lakers held on for the 124-114 win.

I imagine a lot of talk will be about the Lakers against the zone. We scored 124 points. That should win you any game. It’s the D that the Lakers need to fine tune, particularly dealing with Olynyk, who scored 24 off the bench, and the miscues from which the Heat took advantage.

“Their movement on offense is very difficult to guard no matter who is in uniform,” Vogel said. He said they will be getting to work on that end of the floor.


LeBron -- -- “We’re not satisfied with just the win. We want to be great,” LeBron said after dropping another near triple-double with 33-9-9. Those are crazy numbers and yet you do think there’s things they can improve upon. (Can we skip the deep threes, please? Especially over the zone.) We can get great looks from three, no need for those deep ones. And LeBron did get some great looks. Absolutely wide open where he could measure the shot like a freethrow and knock it down. While you probably want LeBron trying to shoot over the zone if you’re the Heat, you don’t want those shots. I’d like to see more of that seal screen in the zone by LeBron at the elbows to take passes. He had one of those late in the game for a layup when Rondo found him. Did that earlier in the game and found AD on a high-low for a dunk. Those are especially painful to the zone. We also saw LeBron and AD getting behind the zone at times to use their size against the small backline of the Heat zone. He was a little flatfooted on D at times, especially on switches. The Lakers needed to do a better job of dialing in that D in order to get their transition game going. Tonight, it was a very slow pace and we didn’t see LeBron downhill like we want. We had just a 9-2 advantage on the break, which shows the pace of this one. So a very different night for LeBron in this one. He wasn’t able to get speed off high screens after the first few minutes, he wasn’t able to get speed in transition, yet he still dropped 33 points. This is why he gets to the Finals. You take something away, he can shift gears. When you look at some of those early transition buckets in this one, we had LeBron, Dwight and AD all around the rim. The Heat can’t let that happen. Trying to deal with our size and speed is their challenge. The Stats: He scored 33 points on 14-25 shooting (3-8 from three, 2-5 from the line) to go with 9 boards, 9 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 0 turnovers and 2 fouls in 39 minutes. He was a +10.

Davis -- -- “We had some blown coverages on the defensive end,” AD said in reference to an argument he and LeBron had on the floor. This is what Iove. You know AD calls out LeBron when there are issues. He’s our defensive anchor and, of course, killer on offense and that gives him the say as a team leader. So LeBron has to listen. I think it’s partially why LeBron has been so good on D this year. He’s being held accountable for rotations. He was covering Butler, using that length and footspeed to keep him from getting easy ones efficiently. The switches and slip screens on switches or pops by Olynyk were an issue for us. I’m curious to see if we make Butler try to beat us with the shot a little more in those scenarios. Offensively, he’s a huge problem for the Heat. When we’re hoisting up threes and missing and he can get into position for putbacks--those are killer against the zone. He’d scored 15 points on 7-8 shooting in the first half. He had four dunks and lob layup finish. In the second half, he got rolling on the jumper. Just shooting over defenders. Splash. Splash. Splash. Then, he moved into the paint to get after the glass. The Lakers had 16 offensive boards, AD had 8. (The Lakers were a +10 on the glass.) That’s the real challenge for the Heat is dealing with him on the offensive glass. Don’t be surprised if we see some desperation and cheap shots coming his way. When guys get abused like that, you might see something. The Stats: He scored 32 points on 15-20 shooting (1-1 from three, 1-1 from the line) to go with 14 boards (8 offensive), 1 assist, 1 steal, 3 turnovers and 4 fouls in 40 minutes. He was a +10.

Green -- -- He had hip tightness in this game and you could see him trying to stretch it out. I’m not going to say that’s the reason for the poor shooting because we’ve seen that before, but it might have hurt him a little defensively. The shooting tonight, though. Between Green and KCP, they went 3 of 2,894 from three tonight (3-19...). Man, I need at least 4 more makes from those guys. Those were some wide...wide...open looks at times. It was just shooting practice. At one point late in the game, he missed an open three from the wing, got it right back, missed another from right there. Shortly later, from the same spot again...clank. Uggh. He did have a nice attack off the three line for a floater lob to Dwight early on. Hopefully, the hip is fine. We need him on D. We had just 6 steals in this game and he had 2 of them. One on a great rotation in the paint, reading the help situation well in the first half. The Heat had us guessing and dictating to us instead of us dictating on D to them. The Stats: He scored 3 points on 1-8 shooting from three to go with 2 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals and 1 foul in 22 minutes. He was a +4.

Howard -- -- Dwight set the tone early in this one. He had a lob finish off a Green drive, a couple scores on the break, a blocked shot to ignite a break and we were off to the races early. They are going to try to pick on Dwight. But we like Dwight on the floor because AD gets a small on offense and the Heat really try to avoid dealing with two bigs against the zone. AD can get middle and Dwight can hang behind the zone. Dwight also had a nice high post play against the zone, feeding Kuzma cutting off him for a layup. I’d like to see a little more lob action for him. It’s there. Even though we dominated on the offensive glass, Dwight didn’t pull one down in this one. Funniest play of the night might have been Dwight drawing a swing through foul a the three line. Why do you have your hands in that position defensively on him out there? He caught the defender sleeping and drew that. Too funny. The Stats: He scored 6 points on 3-3 shooting (0-3 from three) to go with 2 boards, 1 assist, 2 blocks and 4 fouls in 17 minutes. He was a +5.

Caldwell-Pope -- -- Man. Just 1-6 shooting from three in the first half. We know we’re going to have some dry spells. He’s got to dial it in during the course of the game by taking advantage of good, wide open looks. You hope that happens. He’d miss his next four threes in the second half before finally knocking down a corner three against the zone late in the game. That was pretty much the backbreaker. It felt like any score from him was found money in this one. I did love the drive from the corner to set up LeBron under the hoop for a layup. He had another attack early in the game and scored a bank over the D. Defensively, some confusion at times where he didn’t switch where everyone was expecting it. This happened a few times. Once late in the game, he was trying to trail over the top while AC was switching (we switched everything already) and this allowed Butler to roll to the hoop for a score. When they Heat are going side to side like that and we are switching, that’s gold for us. That’s where we can lock ing. But one simple mistake like that and Miami quickly takes advantage. They’re looking for us to hesitate and they attack it. KCP really needs to sharpen his rules of D with the rest of the team. The Stats: He scored 11 points on 4-14 shooting (2-11 from three, 1-1 from the line) to go with 4 boards, 4 assists, 1 steal and 2 fouls in 32 minutes. He was a +14.

Kuzma -- -- Some issues with the zone and turnovers in the first half. He threw a wild pass on a drive and was picked on another drive. Just trying to beat the zone off the dribble when he thought he had an advantage and a little OC as a result. With his low usage, 3 turnovers is just awful. He mostly hoisted threes over the zone like a lot of the Lakers. He did have a cut off Dwight in the high post to score a layup when Dwight hit him. He’d sink a corner three against the clock in the second half. I think now that he had a good chunk of possession against the zone, we might see some better actions for him in the next one. Defensively, he had a couple poor reactions. I think he fell asleep on a switch for Robinson on one that we were fortunate not to get burned on. But that’s one of those reads where we have all been on the same page and to see someone mess it up like that kind of showed he wasn’t dialed in like we need from him. The Stats: He scored 11 points on 3-8 shooting (2-6 from three, 3-3 from the line) to go with 2 boards, 1 assist, 3 turnovers and 1 foul in 22 minutes. He was a +5.

Caruso -- -- Huge drive and dish to AD for a dunk with 2 minutes left. Very rare for us to get some successful dribble penetration against the zone (AC picked up his fourth foul trying to attack the zone off the dribble earlier). Defensively, I had him drawing two charges and he also stole a pass on the wing. The fouls were an issues, but we also saw him able to hold the line at times on switches against guys like Butler. Some poor moments with a bad close what he was late to react on a scram situation. He also was just a step slow which put him into poor position for a foul. Give AC some credit also for helping create a 5-second violation on an inbounds as he jumped in front of a passing lane that caused the Heat to not get the ball in. Offensively, he sank a couple of threes for his only points and he also had a couple offensive boards. The Stats: He scored 6 points on 2-5 shooting (2-4 from three) to go with 2 offensive boards, 2 assists, 1 steal, 2 turnovers and 4 fouls in 23 minutes. He was a -5.

Rondo -- -- Playoff Rondo again. Someone said he and Manu are the only plays with at least 15 points and 10 assists off the bench in the Finals in the last 35 season. Some good moments against the zone in the second quarter. He was a +15 in his 14 first half minutes. He sank a three, got middle to feed AD for a dunk and hit a wide open floater in the middle of the zone (no even four feet from him). He then hit LeBron for a lob on the weakside and AD for a lob from halfcourt. Mix in a couple drives at the rim to earn points and you’ve got a really well-rounded attack. In the second half, he sank a couple big wing threes. He triggered some passes into key spots, like LeBron sealing in the paint for a score. Defensively, we can try to hide him, but the Heat really were looking for switches and mismatches or confusion. The Lakers will need to be less predictable and more disruptive. I wouldn’t mind throwing our own zone at them at times to mix it up. Rondo was a plus defender in our zones in the last series. Third best player on the floor tonight for us. Again. The Stats: He scored 16 points on 5-9 shooting (3-4 from three, 3-4 from the line) to go with 4 boards, 10 assists, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 26 minutes. He was a +7.

Morris -- -- Err. I did not like his focus and reactions on defense at times. He just seemed late quite a bit. Whether that was on help D to challenge a drive or not paying attention to a cut. Offensively, he sank 2-5 from three. One, he was trailing the break, another he sank a corner three over the zone. The key to that second one--something we didn’t do a lot of--he had a weakside screen as we ball reversed. That led to the great look. I’d like to see a little more of that just to keep the heads turning on D instead of really loading up in that zone. The Stats: He scored 6 points on 2-5 shooting from three to go with 5 boards, 2 assists and 3 fouls in 16 minutes. He was a +3.

Smith -- -- With Caruso in some foul trouble and KCP 1-9, Green 1-5 and Kuzma 1-5 from three after three quarters (a combined 3-19), Vogel brought in Smith for the final possession of the third quarter and a little early fourth quarter action. He had a nice backscreen to free Morris up in the zone. He managed a couple of fouls in 3 minutes. That’s about expected. I might have gone to Dudley, slide everyone down defensively. His hoop IQ on both ends would have been more useful, plus he can hit threes, too, but is a great passer against the zones. The Stats: He had 2 fouls in 3 minutes and was a +0.

Vogel -- -- Key Moment: Let’s go with the timeout with 3:12 left. KCP and Rondo had just missed jumpers. The offense was struggling a bit. Vogel called a timeout and wanted to make sure we got a basket this time down court. I’m not sure the play even worked out how he planned. We had AD screening for LeBron for a corner three. LeBron passed that up and kicked to Rondo, then LeBron and Rondo just read the play from there. LeBron cut middle, Rajon bounced it to him and LBJ hit and easy fade in the middle of the paint. That was a big make and nice timeout by Vogel.

Key Substitution: Rondo’s usage in this one against the zone was key. A lot of times, you are looking for hockey assists, the guy to trigger the intial pass that leads to the high low or the swing-swing to the corner three. Rondo had the 10 assists, but he was also triggering those kinds of plays. Vogel mentioned we don’t have a lot of sets against the zone. Just putting the ball in his hands to find guys in the middle of the zone or even for Rondo to be the guy in the middle of the zone was very effective.

Key Stat: Well, let’s look at that three shooting. The Heat went 11-27 from three for 40.7%. A very good shooting game for them. We need to defend that three line a little better. The Lakers went 16-47 for 34%. Pretty much close to our average. It may have felt like a poor shooting night from three because we missed 31, but we hit them at an average pace for us. (With as many open and wide open looks, you would have liked to see us knock down at least a couple more. Now, we only got 48 points off makes in those shots...but you also have to factor in our 16 offensive boards in this game. Those plays where AD would grab a missed three and turn that into a putback? Just killer. So average three shooting plus dominance on the offensive boards...it’s hard to beat us when you can make up for a few of those misses.

Coach’s Challenge: In the first quarter, Rondo closed out to Duncan Robinson’s three. Robinson went down and Rondo was whistled for the foul. Slight bump on the hip as Robinson came down. Challenge unsuccessful. It was close, but slight contact gave the refs the call. Vogel has used both his challenges early in these games. Up until the Finals, he’s held on to them for late. It’s a bit unnerving. Neither of these games have been close enough where it’s a huge factor, but you can imagine the gravity of these decisions in the Finals in a close game.
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Thanks DB! 2 down, 2 to go!!
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14 wins. Just 2 left.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:24 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB!

I have been impressed by Rondo. I guess I wasn't expecting much out of him.

Just two more wins to go!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:30 pm    Post subject:

Thanks, DB!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:49 pm    Post subject:

This was a Trap Game and Lakers won

As oppose to the Clippers' two hired guns, Lakers" Big Two (LeBron and AD) came through with flying colors to close the deal
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:07 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB

Right now, gut feel is saying Sunday's game is looking pretty good too; hopefully the D tightens up and we dont need to bomb away so many 3's.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:35 pm    Post subject:

Two down, two to go!

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Heat defense is like a bunch of headless chicken...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:48 am    Post subject:

DrDent wrote:
Thanks DB

Right now, gut feel is saying Sunday's game is looking pretty good too; hopefully the D tightens up and we dont need to bomb away so many 3's.


They got to tighten the switch action where we get sealed by the screener before he rolls to the hoop. Olynyk especially killed the Lakers on that. Not sure how many points they got off that same play but sheesh. They ran it a lot and we never adjusted.

And I really don’t know what KCP thought we were doing on D, but he seemed to get confused a lot on our coverages. That all should be focuses of the next one.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 2:38 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB.

The Lakers need to play a great game on Sunday to put the nail in the coffin and go for the sweep.

Let's put this thing to bed and take the kids and the dogs and all go home!

It is October and it is time to start thinking about getting chip #18 for next year!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:09 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB.

Live in the moment, do not take any win for granted. But I can not start to look at the potential of being 2 wins away. The magnitude of that.

Playoff Rondo has been our 3rd best player on offense, for these playoffs. Without question.

AD? Man, that was domination.
Lebron? He is getting on teammates and making sure they play hard each possession. If there's a mistake, he is letting them know.

Again, 2 wins. Lets do this.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:37 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:54 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB! Hopefully Frank is gave everyone an earful with our 3rd quarter D. It was ATROCIOUS. The Heat had quite a run of consecutive scores per possession. Luckily, AD carried us. If AD is not a top 5 player in the game, I do not know who is.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:00 am    Post subject:

Wilt & West... Kareem & Magic... Shaq & Kobe... (Pau/Odom & Kobe) AD-LeBron

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:08 am    Post subject:

With Green, KCP, and Kuzma having poor shooting games it shows how good the other guys were.
Especially AD, Lebron, and Rondo.

If those guys can shoot even 30% the Lakers would have won easily. But there were some uncomfortable moments.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:52 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB!

2 More Wins

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:14 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB. Time to bring Lil Larry back home!
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Heat shot the ball great as a team 50/40/90 !
Heat got 17 more FTs than us
Heat weren't getting called for fouls at the rim

Olynyk and Leonard were 31 and 9 on 11 for 19 shooting (5-7 FT)

DG & KCP & KUZ - 5 of 25 on 3's many of which were uncontested.

There's no way those numbers are supposed to result in a W for us regardless of who's on the court.

That this was never in doubt from the 1st Q is just mindboggling to me that we dominated under these circumstances.

How can a team be +21 in FTs and never be closer than 9 points for the final 2 and a half quarters?

It makes no sense. Greatness of LBJ and AD are the only answers I can come up with and why superstars win championships.
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CervantesRises wrote:
Heat shot the ball great as a team 50/40/90 !
Heat got 17 more FTs than us
Heat weren't getting called for fouls at the rim

Olynyk and Leonard were 31 and 9 on 11 for 19 shooting (5-7 FT)

DG & KCP & KUZ - 5 of 25 on 3's many of which were uncontested.

There's no way those numbers are supposed to result in a W for us regardless of who's on the court.

That this was never in doubt from the 1st Q is just mindboggling to me that we dominated under these circumstances.

How can a team be +21 in FTs and never be closer than 9 points for the final 2 and a half quarters?

It makes no sense. Greatness of LBJ and AD are the only answers I can come up with and why superstars win championships.


Don't forget Jimmy Butler played a spectacular game on a sore ankle for 45 minutes.

We gave up a 39 point 3rd quarter.

And we were still up 14 with 45 seconds left in the game.
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DancingBarry wrote:
DrDent wrote:
Thanks DB

Right now, gut feel is saying Sunday's game is looking pretty good too; hopefully the D tightens up and we dont need to bomb away so many 3's.
They got to tighten the switch action where we get sealed by the screener before he rolls to the hoop. Olynyk especially killed the Lakers on that. Not sure how many points they got off that same play but sheesh. They ran it a lot and we never adjusted.

And I really don’t know what KCP thought we were doing on D, but he seemed to get confused a lot on our coverages. That all should be focuses of the next one.
Agree!!

KCP has shown several times where he’s not mentally where he should be, sometimes it was carelessness - as seen one time where he was scolded by Lebron for not using two hands to catch a good pass

Plashke’s apology to Rondo and Dwight are noted at https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/story/2020-10-02/lakers-heat-game-2-has-no-mamba-moment-but-another-lakers-win
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:00 am    Post subject:

Part of the terrible 3rd quarter was just the Heat getting ridiculously hot, sometimes on low percentage shots.

Olynyk was a problem the Lakers need to adjust to though, on screen and roll and also on suddenly becoming Ray Allen on 3 pt shots from outside. Not sure if he can repeat the latter, but there is film to study.

And if I recall correctly, the Lakers have a pretty good film guy in their corner.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:03 am    Post subject:

2 more wins!!! For Kobe!!!
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dfchang813 wrote:
CervantesRises wrote:
Heat shot the ball great as a team 50/40/90 !
Heat got 17 more FTs than us
Heat weren't getting called for fouls at the rim

Olynyk and Leonard were 31 and 9 on 11 for 19 shooting (5-7 FT)

DG & KCP & KUZ - 5 of 25 on 3's many of which were uncontested.

There's no way those numbers are supposed to result in a W for us regardless of who's on the court.

That this was never in doubt from the 1st Q is just mindboggling to me that we dominated under these circumstances.

How can a team be +21 in FTs and never be closer than 9 points for the final 2 and a half quarters?

It makes no sense. Greatness of LBJ and AD are the only answers I can come up with and why superstars win championships.
Don't forget Jimmy Butler played a spectacular game on a sore ankle for 45 minutes.

We gave up a 39 point 3rd quarter.

And we were still up 14 with 45 seconds left in the game.
Heat Culture REQUIRES a “No Quit” (dawg) mentality that should tell players that if you work your butt off all the time while remembering that winning is your only mentality - good things can happen

On the other hand, one can have the Clippers with Uber talent and failed without a whimper with players like PG saying that this was t a “Title or Bust” year

Yay Mamba Mentality!!!
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