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Colleague of mine recently flew to France and said there were posters up everywhere saying the coronavirus is not a race.
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| So, the coronavirus has a 3.4% chance of being fatal. If you get it, you have a 3% chance of dying. Don't understand the overreaction. |
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| xxsicrokerxx wrote: | | So, the coronavirus has a 3.4% chance of being fatal. If you get it, you have a 3% chance of dying. Don't understand the overreaction. |
We don't know how reliable those numbers are because the biggest sample size is in China, and people are questioning their numbers. Not to mention the virus has shown that can hide in carriers and never infect those people, but those people can pass the virus along. Very scary, especially when theres few treatment options. |
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FROM NYS DOH
Healthcare Professionals: Frequently Asked Questions and Answers
Updated February 21, 2020
See also the general COVID-19 Novel Coronavirus FAQ.
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Q: What are the clinical features of COVID-19?
A: The clinical spectrum of COVID-19 ranges from mild disease with non-specific signs and symptoms of acute respiratory illness, to severe pneumonia with respiratory failure and septic shock. There have also been reports of asymptomatic infection with COVID-19. See also Interim Clinical Guidance for Management of Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19).
Q: Who is at risk for COVID-19?
A: Currently, those at greatest risk of infection are persons who have had prolonged, unprotected close contact with a patient with symptomatic, confirmed COVID-19 and those with recent travel to China, especially Hubei Province.
Q: Who is at risk for severe disease from COVID-19?
The available data are currently insufficient to identify risk factors for severe clinical outcomes. From the limited data that are available for COVID-19 infected patients, and for data from related coronaviruses such as SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, it is possible that older adults, and persons who have underlying chronic medical conditions, such as immunocompromising conditions, may be at risk for more severe outcomes. See also See also Interim Clinical Guidance for Management of Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19).
Q: When is someone infectious?
A: The onset and duration of viral shedding and period of infectiousness for COVID-19 are not yet known. It is possible that SARS-CoV-2 RNA may be detectable in the upper or lower respiratory tract for weeks after illness onset, similar to infection with MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV. However, detection of viral RNA does not necessarily mean that infectious virus is present. Asymptomatic infection with SARS-CoV-2 has been reported, but it is not yet known what role asymptomatic infection plays in transmission. Similarly, the role of pre-symptomatic transmission (infection detection during the incubation period prior to illness onset) is unknown. Existing literature regarding SARS-CoV-2 and other coronaviruses (e.g. MERS-CoV, SARS-CoV) suggest that the incubation period may range from 2–14 days.
Q: Which body fluids can spread infection?
A: Very limited data are available about detection of SARS-CoV-2 and infectious virus in clinical specimens. SARS-CoV-2 RNA has been detected from upper and lower respiratory tract specimens, and SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated from upper respiratory tract specimens and bronchoalveolar lavage fluid. SARS-CoV-2 RNA has been detected in blood and stool specimens, but whether infectious virus is present in extrapulmonary specimens is currently unknown. The duration of SARS-CoV-2 RNA detection in upper and lower respiratory tract specimens and in extrapulmonary specimens is not yet known but may be several weeks or longer, which has been observed in cases of MERS-CoV or SARS-CoV infection. While viable, infectious SARS-CoV has been isolated from respiratory, blood, urine, and stool specimens, in contrast – viable, infectious MERS-CoV has only been isolated from respiratory tract specimens. It is not yet known whether other non-respiratory body fluids from an infected person including vomit, urine, breast milk, or semen can contain viable, infectious SARS-CoV-2.
Q: Can people who recover from COVID-19 be infected again?
A: The immune response to COVID-19 is not yet understood. Patients with MERS-CoV infection are unlikely to be re-infected shortly after they recover, but it is not yet known whether similar immune protection will be observed for patients with COVID-19.
Q: How should healthcare personnel protect themselves when evaluating a patient who may have COVID-19?
A: Although the transmission dynamics have yet to be determined, CDC currently recommends a cautious approach to persons under investigation (PUI) for COVID-19. Healthcare personnel evaluating PUI or providing care for patients with confirmed COVID-19 should use Standard Precautions, Contact Precautions, Airborne Precautions, and use eye protection (e.g., goggles or a face shield). See the Interim Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Known or Patients Under Investigation for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in Healthcare Settings.
Q: Should any diagnostic or therapeutic interventions be withheld due to concerns about transmission of COVID-19?
A: Patients should receive any interventions they would normally receive as standard of care. Patients with suspected or confirmed COVID-19 should be asked to wear a surgical mask as soon as they are identified and be evaluated in a private room with the door closed, ideally an airborne infection isolation room, if available. Healthcare personnel entering the room should use Standard Precautions, Contact Precautions, Airborne Precautions, and use eye protection (e.g., goggles or a face shield).
Q: How do you test a patient for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19?
A: See recommendations for reporting, testing, and specimen collection at Interim Guidance for Healthcare Professionals.
Q: Will existing respiratory virus panels, such as those manufactured by Biofire or Genmark, detect SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19?
A: No. These multi-pathogen molecular assays can detect a number of human respiratory viruses, including other coronaviruses that can cause acute respiratory illness, but they do not detect COVID-19.
Q: How is COVID-19 treated?
Not all patients with COVID-19 will require medical supportive care. Clinical management for hospitalized patients with COVID-19 is focused on supportive care of complications, including advanced organ support for respiratory failure, septic shock, and multi-organ failure. Empiric testing and treatment for other viral or bacterial etiologies may be warranted.
Corticosteroids are not routinely recommended for viral pneumonia or ARDS and should be avoided unless they are indicated for another reason (e.g., COPD exacerbation, refractory septic shock following Surviving Sepsis Campaign Guidelines).
There are currently no antiviral drugs licensed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to treat COVID-19. Some in-vitro or in-vivo studies suggest potential therapeutic activity of some agents against related coronaviruses, but there are no available data from observational studies or randomized controlled trials in humans to support recommending any investigational therapeutics for patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 at this time. Remdesivir, an investigational antiviral drug, was reported to have in-vitro activity against COVID-19. A small number of patients with COVID-19 have received intravenous remdesivir for compassionate use outside of a clinical trial setting. A randomized placebo-controlled clinical trial of remdesivirexternal icon for treatment of hospitalized patients with COVID-19 respiratory disease has been implemented in China. A randomized open label trialexternal icon of combination lopinavir-ritonavir treatment has been also been conducted in patients with COVID-19 in China, but no results are available to date. trials of other potential therapeutics for COVID-19 are being planned. For information on specific clinical trials underway for treatment of patients with COVID-19 infection, see clinicaltrials.govexternal icon.
See Interim Clinical Guidance for Management of Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
Q: Should post-exposure prophylaxis be used for people who may have been exposed to COVID-19?
A: There is currently no FDA-approved post-exposure prophylaxis for people who may have been exposed to COVID-19. For more information on movement restrictions, monitoring for symptoms, and evaluation after possible exposure to COVID-19 See Interim US Guidance for Risk Assessment and Public Health Management of Persons with Potential Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Exposure in Travel-associated or Community Settings and Interim U.S Guidance for Risk Assessment and Public Health Management of Healthcare Personnel with Potential Exposure in a Healthcare Setting to Patients with Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19).
Q: Whom should healthcare providers notify if they suspect a patient has COVID-19?
A: Healthcare providers should consult with local or state health departments to determine whether patients meet criteria for a Persons Under Investigation (PUI). Providers should immediately notify infection control personnel at their facility if they suspect COVID-19 in a patient.
Q: Do patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 need to be admitted to the hospital?
A: Not all patients with COVID-19 require hospital admission. Patients whose clinical presentation warrants in-patient clinical management for supportive medical care should be admitted to the hospital under appropriate isolation precautions. Some patients with an initial mild clinical presentation may worsen in the second week of illness. The decision to monitor these patients in the inpatient or outpatient setting should be made on a case-by-case basis. This decision will depend not only on the clinical presentation, but also on the patient’s ability to engage in monitoring, the ability for safe isolation at home, and the risk of transmission in the patient’s home environment. For more information, see Interim Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Known or Patients Under Investigation for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in a Healthcare Setting and Interim Guidance for Implementing Home Care of People Not Requiring Hospitalization for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19).
Q: When can patients with confirmed COVID-19 be discharged from the hospital?
A: Patients can be discharged from the healthcare facility whenever clinically indicated. Isolation should be maintained at home if the patient returns home before the time period recommended for discontinuation of hospital Transmission-Based Precautions described below.
Decisions to discontinue Transmission-Based Precautions or in-home isolation can be made on a case-by-case basis in consultation with clinicians, infection prevention and control specialists, and public health based upon multiple factors, including disease severity, illness signs and symptoms, and results of laboratory testing for COVID-19 in respiratory specimens.
Criteria to discontinue Transmission-Based Precautions can be found in: Interim Considerations for Disposition of Hospitalized Patients with COVID-19
Q: What do I need to know if a patient with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 asks about having a pet or other animal in the home?
A: See COVID-19 and Animals.
Waste Management QAs
Q: What do waste management companies need to know about wastewater and sewage coming from a healthcare facility or community setting with either a known COVID-19 patient or person under investigation (PUI)?
A: Waste generated in the care of PUIs or patients with confirmed COVID-19 does not present additional considerations for wastewater disinfection in the United States. Coronaviruses are susceptible to the same disinfection conditions in community and healthcare settings as other viruses, so current disinfection conditions in wastewater treatment facilities are expected to be sufficient. This includes conditions for practices such as oxidation with hypochlorite (i.e., chlorine bleach) and peracetic acid, as well as inactivation using UV irradiation.
Q: Do wastewater and sewage workers need any additional protection when handling untreated waste from healthcare or community setting with either a known COVID-19 patient or PUI?
A: Wastewater workers should use standard practices including basic hygiene precautions and wear the recommended PPE as prescribed for their current work tasks when handling untreated waste. There is no evidence to suggest that employees of wastewater plants need any additional protections in relation to COVID-19.
Q: Should medical waste or general waste from healthcare facilities treating PUIs and patients with confirmed COVID-19 be handled any differently or need any additional disinfection?
A: Medical waste (trash) coming from healthcare facilities treating COVID-2019 patients is no different than waste coming from facilities without COVID-19 patients. CDC’s guidance states that management of laundry, food service utensils, and medical waste should be performed in accordance with routine procedures. There is no evidence to suggest that facility waste needs any additional disinfection. |
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| xxsicrokerxx wrote: | | So, the coronavirus has a 3.4% chance of being fatal. If you get it, you have a 3% chance of dying. Don't understand the overreaction. |
It's highly contagious.
So, let's do a little math here. I'll use a 50% infection rate just for the hell of it.
US population - 300 million
At 50% infection rate - 150 million infected
3.4% mortality rate - roughly 5 million dead
Of course, that's just straight dead. That doesn't even come close to showing how bad it could get due to the strain on infrastructure, deaths related to the virus but not by the virus itself, etc. It's sort of like how you can say a hurricane only killed 60 people in Puerto Rico, but the death toll was much higher and continued to rise long after the hurricane had passed. |
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Do we have any actual reporting showing that she was "all over los angeles koreatown"? I couldn't find anything online and nothing in that news report. I'm hoping local officials are doing a thorough check of her comings and goings while she was in the L.A. area. |
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Keep trying to fly to Mars idiots
This is going to cripple the whole World
Chinese can't go to work so guess that means you won't be getting any new electronics
Japan has asked EVERY school to close...
We have (bleep) thieves and Fake Christians in charge of our people who said they might let poor people die if they don't have money to pay for the vaccines...in a real democracy that guy would be removed Immediately. Possibly flogged. But here in Trumpville that is reality. |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | xxsicrokerxx wrote: | | So, the coronavirus has a 3.4% chance of being fatal. If you get it, you have a 3% chance of dying. Don't understand the overreaction. |
It's highly contagious.
So, let's do a little math here. I'll use a 50% infection rate just for the hell of it.
US population - 300 million
At 50% infection rate - 150 million infected
3.4% mortality rate - roughly 5 million dead
Of course, that's just straight dead. That doesn't even come close to showing how bad it could get due to the strain on infrastructure, deaths related to the virus but not by the virus itself, etc. It's sort of like how you can say a hurricane only killed 60 people in Puerto Rico, but the death toll was much higher and continued to rise long after the hurricane had passed. |
i dont think anyone is assuming 50% infected
in china, the infection rate is estimated to be less than 0.1% - that is from 1 million people out of 1.4 billion people. we have not seen any estimates of infected people anywhere close to 1 million people. reported number is less than 100,000 infected in china.
the usa has the benefit of information learned by the chinese, but we do not have the means to enforce quarantines like china. |
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my friend from shanghai told me that shanghai does not have a new case in quite a few days. they feel quite safe there now. in fact, beijing and a few cities now are quarantining foreign visitors from japan and korea. so did qingdao and dalian that get a lot of business visitors from japan and korea.
"Separately, the foreign ministry said China was "exploring the possibility" of adopting "scientific, appropriate, and targeted prevention and control measures" for people arriving from abroad."
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/02/26/beijing-orders-quarantine-for-foreign-arrivals-from-virus-hit-areas.html
the quarantine worked for visitors from china. when are they going to do the same to korea and italy (and whoever has large number of infections)??? |
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just means that virus carrier individuals that hasn't been tested are walking around california and infect that person |
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If you knew the Trump Administration was going to quarantine you
Would you go in or self quarantine in the woods
Trump Administration in charge. I'm not reporting myself to Federal Government
Report anywhere and the Feds will come get you and lock you up with other infected so it will gain strength in you and they will use you as guinea pigs is how I see it. |
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| We already brought back 14 infected Americans from the cruise ship iirc |
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/27/us-workers-without-protective-gear-assisted-coronavirus-evacuees-hhs-whistleblower-says/?outputType=amp
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Officials at the Department of Health and Human Services sent more than a dozen workers to receive the first Americans evacuated from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, without proper training for infection control or appropriate protective gear, according to a whistleblower complaint.
The workers did not show symptoms of infection and were not tested for the virus, according to lawyers for the whistleblower, a senior HHS official based in Washington who oversees workers at the Administration for Children and Families, a unit within HHS.
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| governator wrote: |
just means that virus carrier individuals that hasn't been tested are walking around california and infect that person |
yup
this is just the beginning
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/27/us-workers-without-protective-gear-assisted-coronavirus-evacuees-hhs-whistleblower-says/?outputType=amp
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Officials at the Department of Health and Human Services sent more than a dozen workers to receive the first Americans evacuated from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, without proper training for infection control or appropriate protective gear, according to a whistleblower complaint.
The workers did not show symptoms of infection and were not tested for the virus, according to lawyers for the whistleblower, a senior HHS official based in Washington who oversees workers at the Administration for Children and Families, a unit within HHS.
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i find this hard to believe. |
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| Have they tried Vodka? It seriously kills most viruses and bacteria. Just saying. I have some stocked up just in case. |
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| cal1piggy wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/27/us-workers-without-protective-gear-assisted-coronavirus-evacuees-hhs-whistleblower-says/?outputType=amp
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February 27, 2020 at 4:18 PM EST
Officials at the Department of Health and Human Services sent more than a dozen workers to receive the first Americans evacuated from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, without proper training for infection control or appropriate protective gear, according to a whistleblower complaint.
The workers did not show symptoms of infection and were not tested for the virus, according to lawyers for the whistleblower, a senior HHS official based in Washington who oversees workers at the Administration for Children and Families, a unit within HHS.
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i find this hard to believe. |
Trumpica for ya
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| cal1piggy wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/27/us-workers-without-protective-gear-assisted-coronavirus-evacuees-hhs-whistleblower-says/?outputType=amp
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Officials at the Department of Health and Human Services sent more than a dozen workers to receive the first Americans evacuated from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, without proper training for infection control or appropriate protective gear, according to a whistleblower complaint.
The workers did not show symptoms of infection and were not tested for the virus, according to lawyers for the whistleblower, a senior HHS official based in Washington who oversees workers at the Administration for Children and Families, a unit within HHS.
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i find this hard to believe. |
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| cal1piggy wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/27/us-workers-without-protective-gear-assisted-coronavirus-evacuees-hhs-whistleblower-says/?outputType=amp
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Officials at the Department of Health and Human Services sent more than a dozen workers to receive the first Americans evacuated from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, without proper training for infection control or appropriate protective gear, according to a whistleblower complaint.
The workers did not show symptoms of infection and were not tested for the virus, according to lawyers for the whistleblower, a senior HHS official based in Washington who oversees workers at the Administration for Children and Families, a unit within HHS.
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i find this hard to believe. |
That they didn’t have the proper PPE or that no one showed signs of infection?
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/27/us-workers-without-protective-gear-assisted-coronavirus-evacuees-hhs-whistleblower-says/?outputType=amp
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February 27, 2020 at 4:18 PM EST
Officials at the Department of Health and Human Services sent more than a dozen workers to receive the first Americans evacuated from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, without proper training for infection control or appropriate protective gear, according to a whistleblower complaint.
The workers did not show symptoms of infection and were not tested for the virus, according to lawyers for the whistleblower, a senior HHS official based in Washington who oversees workers at the Administration for Children and Families, a unit within HHS.
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i find this hard to believe. |
Trumpica for ya
Only hire people less qualified than yourself so they never question your authority |
one would have to be an idiot not to know how dangerous it is. at a minimum get help before dealing with the patients. cdc people are competent. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/27/us-workers-without-protective-gear-assisted-coronavirus-evacuees-hhs-whistleblower-says/?outputType=amp
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February 27, 2020 at 4:18 PM EST
Officials at the Department of Health and Human Services sent more than a dozen workers to receive the first Americans evacuated from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, without proper training for infection control or appropriate protective gear, according to a whistleblower complaint.
The workers did not show symptoms of infection and were not tested for the virus, according to lawyers for the whistleblower, a senior HHS official based in Washington who oversees workers at the Administration for Children and Families, a unit within HHS.
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i find this hard to believe. |
That they didn’t have the proper PPE or that no one showed signs of infection? |
i find it hard to believe that they lack proper protective gear and did not know how to handle the patients.
i think this could be politically motivated.
and i support neither party as i think both are worthless.
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omg i can just see it now...
lots of abandoned pets in wuhan/hubei... |
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