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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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This team goes as far as AD wants to take it. LBJ I phenomenal but I think the real catalyst will be AD. Stop trying to trade him. |
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Four Decade Bandwagon Star Player
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | I have to LOL at this stuff.
AD averages 27.5ppg 12.5 rpg 2.0 bpg 1.0 spg playing hard.
Meanwhile Westbrook averages 11.5 ppg 6.5 apg 35.7% FG and takes multiple plays off on D, while being paid the highest on the team I believe (40M range) and the Lakers fanbase is mad at AD.
The AD that delivered a ring. The AD that tried to play through a significant injury and mess up his playoff numbers (career and that series) in game 6 last year.
When Westbrook becomes consistent, and a 17/8/7 guy who plays D, this team will be a major threat. Until Westbrook decides to play D, we're (bleep). And until Westbrook figures out how to play with these guys, again, it will be tough, It is just how it is with someone like Westbrook.
You all are something. I mean, yeah, maybe ADs value may not be the same as a superstar guard or MVP but right now if you list the problems with this team, AD and Bron are not even close to being it. There is no other talent like AD in the league. Have some appreciation for how fortunate we were that AD and Bron decided to team up. I know some miss the Lonzo Ball, Ingram years. I like rooting for the young guys too. I like the championships more. Without AD, we would still be rooting for ping pong balls falling our way and the next "great" young player. |
Great points. I also find it mystifying how quickly the tide turns with support of Davis.
I may not be his biggest fan since before the trade but his impact on the game on BOTH ENDS of the floor is unquestionable. The man is a legitimate addition to the short list of MVP. But he is not doing enough?
Yet the chatter continues to drag his reputation down instead of placing blame where it belongs, with the poor efforts and focus by multiple players on the team. Not sure we should have been so ready to claim that players with a history of being poor defenders will suddenly play great defense, or that a career knucklehead will not be disruptive, and most importantly thinking an inefficient and out of control superstar will suddenly learn to “fit in”.
I admit I am frustrated with what I am seeing on the court. On a lot of levels. And Davis certainly has his impact on the negatives as much as the positives over a game. But somehow creating this narrative that Davis is the scapegoat and needs to be traded is absurd |
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Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | wolfpaclaker wrote: | I have to LOL at this stuff.
AD averages 27.5ppg 12.5 rpg 2.0 bpg 1.0 spg playing hard.
Meanwhile Westbrook averages 11.5 ppg 6.5 apg 35.7% FG and takes multiple plays off on D, while being paid the highest on the team I believe (40M range) and the Lakers fanbase is mad at AD.
The AD that delivered a ring. The AD that tried to play through a significant injury and mess up his playoff numbers (career and that series) in game 6 last year.
When Westbrook becomes consistent, and a 17/8/7 guy who plays D, this team will be a major threat. Until Westbrook decides to play D, we're (bleep). And until Westbrook figures out how to play with these guys, again, it will be tough, It is just how it is with someone like Westbrook.
You all are something. I mean, yeah, maybe ADs value may not be the same as a superstar guard or MVP but right now if you list the problems with this team, AD and Bron are not even close to being it. There is no other talent like AD in the league. Have some appreciation for how fortunate we were that AD and Bron decided to team up. I know some miss the Lonzo Ball, Ingram years. I like rooting for the young guys too. I like the championships more. Without AD, we would still be rooting for ping pong balls falling our way and the next "great" young player. |
Great points. I also find it mystifying how quickly the tide turns with support of Davis.
I may not be his biggest fan since before the trade but his impact on the game on BOTH ENDS of the floor is unquestionable. The man is a legitimate addition to the short list of MVP. But he is not doing enough?
Yet the chatter continues to drag his reputation down instead of placing blame where it belongs, with the poor efforts and focus by multiple players on the team. Not sure we should have been so ready to claim that players with a history of being poor defenders will suddenly play great defense, or that a career knucklehead will not be disruptive, and most importantly thinking an inefficient and out of control superstar will suddenly learn to “fit in”.
I admit I am frustrated with what I am seeing on the court. On a lot of levels. And Davis certainly has his impact on the negatives as much as the positives over a game. But somehow creating this narrative that Davis is the scapegoat and needs to be traded is absurd |
I love AD, and I'd love to defend him but watching him play lackadaisical basketball is very disappointing. he deserves all criticism he is getting
yes he is getting his stats, but effort is not there. his game 2 stats came in garbage time, empty stats _________________ "Now, if life is coffee, then the jobs, money & position in society are the cups. They are just tools to hold & contain life, but the quality of life doesn't change. Sometimes, by concentrating only on the cup, we fail to enjoy the coffee in it." |
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Four Decade Bandwagon Star Player
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Drifts wrote: | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | wolfpaclaker wrote: | I have to LOL at this stuff.
AD averages 27.5ppg 12.5 rpg 2.0 bpg 1.0 spg playing hard.
Meanwhile Westbrook averages 11.5 ppg 6.5 apg 35.7% FG and takes multiple plays off on D, while being paid the highest on the team I believe (40M range) and the Lakers fanbase is mad at AD.
The AD that delivered a ring. The AD that tried to play through a significant injury and mess up his playoff numbers (career and that series) in game 6 last year.
When Westbrook becomes consistent, and a 17/8/7 guy who plays D, this team will be a major threat. Until Westbrook decides to play D, we're (bleep). And until Westbrook figures out how to play with these guys, again, it will be tough, It is just how it is with someone like Westbrook.
You all are something. I mean, yeah, maybe ADs value may not be the same as a superstar guard or MVP but right now if you list the problems with this team, AD and Bron are not even close to being it. There is no other talent like AD in the league. Have some appreciation for how fortunate we were that AD and Bron decided to team up. I know some miss the Lonzo Ball, Ingram years. I like rooting for the young guys too. I like the championships more. Without AD, we would still be rooting for ping pong balls falling our way and the next "great" young player. |
Great points. I also find it mystifying how quickly the tide turns with support of Davis.
I may not be his biggest fan since before the trade but his impact on the game on BOTH ENDS of the floor is unquestionable. The man is a legitimate addition to the short list of MVP. But he is not doing enough?
Yet the chatter continues to drag his reputation down instead of placing blame where it belongs, with the poor efforts and focus by multiple players on the team. Not sure we should have been so ready to claim that players with a history of being poor defenders will suddenly play great defense, or that a career knucklehead will not be disruptive, and most importantly thinking an inefficient and out of control superstar will suddenly learn to “fit in”.
I admit I am frustrated with what I am seeing on the court. On a lot of levels. And Davis certainly has his impact on the negatives as much as the positives over a game. But somehow creating this narrative that Davis is the scapegoat and needs to be traded is absurd |
I love AD, and I'd love to defend him but watching him play lackadaisical basketball is very disappointing. he deserves all criticism he is getting
yes he is getting his stats, but effort is not there. his game 2 stats came in garbage time, empty stats |
Fair enough. Do you also apply your same criticisms to the other players or focus only on Davis?
If you see a lackadaisical and garbage time stat padder in Davis, how are you judging James and Westbrook? The role players? |
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strong9 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | Drifts wrote: | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | wolfpaclaker wrote: | I have to LOL at this stuff.
AD averages 27.5ppg 12.5 rpg 2.0 bpg 1.0 spg playing hard.
Meanwhile Westbrook averages 11.5 ppg 6.5 apg 35.7% FG and takes multiple plays off on D, while being paid the highest on the team I believe (40M range) and the Lakers fanbase is mad at AD.
The AD that delivered a ring. The AD that tried to play through a significant injury and mess up his playoff numbers (career and that series) in game 6 last year.
When Westbrook becomes consistent, and a 17/8/7 guy who plays D, this team will be a major threat. Until Westbrook decides to play D, we're (bleep). And until Westbrook figures out how to play with these guys, again, it will be tough, It is just how it is with someone like Westbrook.
You all are something. I mean, yeah, maybe ADs value may not be the same as a superstar guard or MVP but right now if you list the problems with this team, AD and Bron are not even close to being it. There is no other talent like AD in the league. Have some appreciation for how fortunate we were that AD and Bron decided to team up. I know some miss the Lonzo Ball, Ingram years. I like rooting for the young guys too. I like the championships more. Without AD, we would still be rooting for ping pong balls falling our way and the next "great" young player. |
Great points. I also find it mystifying how quickly the tide turns with support of Davis.
I may not be his biggest fan since before the trade but his impact on the game on BOTH ENDS of the floor is unquestionable. The man is a legitimate addition to the short list of MVP. But he is not doing enough?
Yet the chatter continues to drag his reputation down instead of placing blame where it belongs, with the poor efforts and focus by multiple players on the team. Not sure we should have been so ready to claim that players with a history of being poor defenders will suddenly play great defense, or that a career knucklehead will not be disruptive, and most importantly thinking an inefficient and out of control superstar will suddenly learn to “fit in”.
I admit I am frustrated with what I am seeing on the court. On a lot of levels. And Davis certainly has his impact on the negatives as much as the positives over a game. But somehow creating this narrative that Davis is the scapegoat and needs to be traded is absurd |
I love AD, and I'd love to defend him but watching him play lackadaisical basketball is very disappointing. he deserves all criticism he is getting
yes he is getting his stats, but effort is not there. his game 2 stats came in garbage time, empty stats |
Fair enough. Do you also apply your same criticisms to the other players or focus only on Davis?
If you see a lackadaisical and garbage time stat padder in Davis, how are you judging James and Westbrook? The role players? |
I think all 3 of our big guns are deserving of criticism. LBJ for his usual half hearted, going through the motions moments in the game, AD for his Elden Campbell impression and RW for just being a terribly flawed player. Pick your poison. Lack of effort or lack of fit. |
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Lucky_Shot wrote: | 2019 wrote: | One great game. One meh. And people want to trade him? Good lord this is going to a miserable season on LG |
And his meh game was 22pt 14rb 10/11 fts... Also know as hall of fame numbers lol |
That 4th quarter down 30 really massaged some players stats. Don’t act like he played anywhere close to winning basketball. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | This team goes as far as AD wants to take it. LBJ I phenomenal but I think the real catalyst will be AD. Stop trying to trade him. |
We have seen where AD led teams go. Lebron can take this team wherever it is going. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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troy Star Player
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I've about had it with Anthony Davis. |
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vgamer Rookie
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AD lacks post moves. Every time he takes a contested jump shot, he often falls flat on his behind. Then he doesn't get back on defense, because he is still on the ground. I don't understand it. When Lebron shoots turn around jumpers, he doesn't fall like AD. What's wrong with AD's legs?! |
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Drifts Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | Drifts wrote: | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | wolfpaclaker wrote: | I have to LOL at this stuff.
AD averages 27.5ppg 12.5 rpg 2.0 bpg 1.0 spg playing hard.
Meanwhile Westbrook averages 11.5 ppg 6.5 apg 35.7% FG and takes multiple plays off on D, while being paid the highest on the team I believe (40M range) and the Lakers fanbase is mad at AD.
The AD that delivered a ring. The AD that tried to play through a significant injury and mess up his playoff numbers (career and that series) in game 6 last year.
When Westbrook becomes consistent, and a 17/8/7 guy who plays D, this team will be a major threat. Until Westbrook decides to play D, we're (bleep). And until Westbrook figures out how to play with these guys, again, it will be tough, It is just how it is with someone like Westbrook.
You all are something. I mean, yeah, maybe ADs value may not be the same as a superstar guard or MVP but right now if you list the problems with this team, AD and Bron are not even close to being it. There is no other talent like AD in the league. Have some appreciation for how fortunate we were that AD and Bron decided to team up. I know some miss the Lonzo Ball, Ingram years. I like rooting for the young guys too. I like the championships more. Without AD, we would still be rooting for ping pong balls falling our way and the next "great" young player. |
Great points. I also find it mystifying how quickly the tide turns with support of Davis.
I may not be his biggest fan since before the trade but his impact on the game on BOTH ENDS of the floor is unquestionable. The man is a legitimate addition to the short list of MVP. But he is not doing enough?
Yet the chatter continues to drag his reputation down instead of placing blame where it belongs, with the poor efforts and focus by multiple players on the team. Not sure we should have been so ready to claim that players with a history of being poor defenders will suddenly play great defense, or that a career knucklehead will not be disruptive, and most importantly thinking an inefficient and out of control superstar will suddenly learn to “fit in”.
I admit I am frustrated with what I am seeing on the court. On a lot of levels. And Davis certainly has his impact on the negatives as much as the positives over a game. But somehow creating this narrative that Davis is the scapegoat and needs to be traded is absurd |
I love AD, and I'd love to defend him but watching him play lackadaisical basketball is very disappointing. he deserves all criticism he is getting
yes he is getting his stats, but effort is not there. his game 2 stats came in garbage time, empty stats |
Fair enough. Do you also apply your same criticisms to the other players or focus only on Davis?
If you see a lackadaisical and garbage time stat padder in Davis, how are you judging James and Westbrook? The role players? |
I actually expected AD to take the reigns ... so I put more on him.
James is older, and let's be honest, he's just chasing the scoring record.
as for Westbrook, he's clearly deferred to the others with the Lakers unlike when he was the alpha before in OKC, Houston, Washington _________________ "Now, if life is coffee, then the jobs, money & position in society are the cups. They are just tools to hold & contain life, but the quality of life doesn't change. Sometimes, by concentrating only on the cup, we fail to enjoy the coffee in it." |
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Big defensive plays and clutch FTs. Will never get the hate on this guy. What's his numbers for the season so far? 25ppg/10rpg/3bpg? Something in that range, right? Elite 2-way player. And hit's his FTs.
One thing, he's lost his 3 ball from 2 years ago. In 2020 he had that 3 going. 2021 season and this so far, still looks MIA. We need him to get back to being a 35 percent three point shooter.
Especially when it seems like the plan is to move him to 5 after he starts at 4, you're going to need him to make more 3s. |
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Not exactly perfect but IMO AD has been amazing so far. His defense has been spectacular at times (such as late in the 4th tonight).
He, like all players, has flaws but he is an elite player and will only get better. |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | Big defensive plays and clutch FTs. Will never get the hate on this guy. What's his numbers for the season so far? 25ppg/10rpg/3bpg? Something in that range, right? Elite 2-way player. And hit's his FTs.
One thing, he's lost his 3 ball from 2 years ago. In 2020 he had that 3 going. 2021 season and this so far, still looks MIA. We need him to get back to being a 35 percent three point shooter.
Especially when it seems like the plan is to move him to 5 after he starts at 4, you're going to need him to make more 3s. |
Davis's biggest strength has always been his free throw rate. Harden and Luka level.
He is a 7ft baller with elite guard and center skills. If his 3 isn't dropping he can go into his bag of tricks and score another way
I hope his shot goes back to 33% or higher too but it's not as important to someone with AD's game |
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Decent game, but I'm holding him out tomorrow...No f'ing way can he play. |
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Monster game! 35 pts, 17 rebs, 4 blks _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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leor_77 wrote: | Decent game, but I'm holding him out tomorrow...No f'ing way can he play. |
Luxury of having 3 guys. Russ plus support guys can win. |
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32 wrote: | Monster game! 35 pts, 17 rebs, 4 blks |
Honestly, he still don’t look like he in tip top shape yet, can’t wait for the mid season form |
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It’s amazing how you could argue AD still didn’t look like at his best with a 35/17 and 4 block game. Just shows how much of a monster he is when he’s at his best.
Numbers wise, dude is playing up to MVP level. Just gotta continue the pace of those numbers and rack up the wins. _________________ Darvin Scam: https://media.tenor.com/images/3c15249955860a4b16b59e8ae035fb75/tenor.gif |
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35 points, 17 boards, 4 blocks, 4 assists, leads the team to a win on the road, and Laker fans say "Decent".
No, we're not spoiled.
Overall, I like he fought through adversity. Did not accept the L. It looked like it was coming. Strong 4th. I am worried about that knee. It looked like he tore his ACL or something. I just don't get AD.
Whatever we do, we need to rest him tomorrow. And get that knee MRI'ed ASAP. No risks. |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | 35 points, 17 boards, 4 blocks, 4 assists, leads the team to a win on the road, and Laker fans say "Decent".
No, we're not spoiled.
Overall, I like he fought through adversity. Did not accept the L. It looked like it was coming. Strong 4th. I am worried about that knee. It looked like he tore his ACL or something. I just don't get AD.
Whatever we do, we need to rest him tomorrow. And get that knee MRI'ed ASAP. No risks. |
15/31 the field, just too many fade aways |
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Quote: | Ryan Ward: Anthony Davis called his knee injury "a little stinger" and will see how it is when he wakes up tomorrow.
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Didn’t like that we needed a 40+ min night from him to put away the Spurs in game 1 of a back-to-back…but Okc should be an easy out, so I hope it doesn’t turn into trap game due to fatigue.
That being said, looks like dude works well with either Bron or Russ…so staggering those dudes with AD should work effectively during the regular season against mostly non-contenders. It’s the overlap where they all play together that they gotta figure out, but got plenty of time to do so before May.
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Anthony Davis and Russell Westbrook scored or assisted on 91 of the Lakers' 125 points.
They each had over 30 points & 10 rebounds on Tuesday. They are the second Lakers duo to each have 30 & 10 in a game this season.
LeBron James & Davis accomplished the feat on October 19.
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mad55557777 wrote: | 15/31 the field, just too many fade aways |
Is 48.3% a terrible percentage now? Dude just dropped 35/17/4/4 and that was your takeaway? |
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J.C. Smith wrote: | mad55557777 wrote: | 15/31 the field, just too many fade aways |
Is 48.3% a terrible percentage now? Dude just dropped 35/17/4/4 and that was your takeaway? |
all you can do is read some of these takes and shake your head. I have no complaints after his game today. I just hope he can keep it up and stay healthy. |
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AD's jumpers to start the game are always so bleh, but I think that's his way of pacing himself to have a mobster two-way game. His form, follow-through. and legs looked great on shots later in the game. And his free throws are all conditioning--he's regularly missing the first free throw short.
His three's are just way offline though. Not sure what's going on there. |
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