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| Laker_Town wrote: | Vogel about to double down.
DAJ and Russ lineups going to play big minutes.
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Kurt Rambis would like a glass of wine with you |
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| Rambis will take over as coach |
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| Quote: | @TheSteinLine
It's clearly trending toward untenable for Frank Vogel already. Once it emerged he was nearly fired after the Denver rout, there will be no other topic until it actually happens or the Lakers go on a wild win streak. With a six-game road trip looming ...
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I would say buckle up, but FrankieV needs to knuckle up…he’s going to be fighting for his job.
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Just fire him or come out in support of him for the rest of the season.
This day to day crap is ridiculously dumb |
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mad55557777
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| Have to look at the other side, which coach is dumb enough to take over this mess in season? Fitzale is one, and if that’s the case, please keep frank |
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So ridiculous to be blaming Vogel for this cluster****.
Firing him is another stupid decision in a series of mind numbing bad decisions around this team.
Still thinking if Davis and Nunn can get on the court soon they can at least be semi competitive. But it will take a lot to outweigh the momentum killing Westbrook. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | So ridiculous to be blaming Vogel for this cluster****.
Firing him is another stupid decision in a series of mind numbing bad decisions around this team.
Still thinking if Davis and Nunn can get on the court soon they can at least be semi competitive. But it will take a lot to outweigh the momentum killing Westbrook. |
Totally agree. Maybe a more geared 3 and d player was needed, but to drop all of our defensive d and three players was idiotic. We have no defensive wings on the roster, or a wing who can play both ways consistently. You can’t win with this roster, I don’t care who the coach is. |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | Have to look at the other side, which coach is dumb enough to take over this mess in season? Fitzale is one, and if that’s the case, please keep frank |
Jason Kidd would be such a good replacement right now, the guy is coaching his ass off in Dallas and the FO was quick to let him go. |
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danzag
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Glad he finally benched Westbrook
You simply don't destroy the team that played the NBA's best defense for two straight years... FO shat on the bed |
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| I just don’t understand some of these comments, they seem to let Vogel off the hook….all excuses aside, injury, roster, etc….Vogel and the coaching staff have been a HUGE part of the problem….they control which personnel are in the floor….Vogel’s rotations have become a punch line and he 100% control of that….when we need an offensive minded unit in he has a defensive unit, when we need defense he has offensive…..he continually puts players in the court who obviously don’t mesh as well together when he has other options, he gives a ton playing time to players who don’t deserve it and doesn’t give playing time to those that do…..Vogel has coached himself out of this job….the whole coaching staff really and they need to go….as to who replaces him does it even matter? Surely, they can’t do significantly worse, we are team with3 all stars…and have had two all season and can barely stay at 500 with a cake walk schedule….time for the lakers to do what they need to do |
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| av3773 wrote: | | I just don’t understand some of these comments, they seem to let Vogel off the hook….all excuses aside, injury, roster, etc….Vogel and the coaching staff have been a HUGE part of the problem….they control which personnel are in the floor….Vogel’s rotations have become a punch line and he 100% control of that….when we need an offensive minded unit in he has a defensive unit, when we need defense he has offensive…..he continually puts players in the court who obviously don’t mesh as well together when he has other options, he gives a ton playing time to players who don’t deserve it and doesn’t give playing time to those that do…..Vogel has coached himself out of this job….the whole coaching staff really and they need to go….as to who replaces him does it even matter? Surely, they can’t do significantly worse, we are team with3 all stars…and have had two all season and can barely stay at 500 with a cake walk schedule….time for the lakers to do what they need to do |
Exactly. The only thing that saves Vogel is that the alternative (Fizdale) would be worse. I've seen enough to conclude that the Lakers have enough young legs and players that play with energy on the defensive end that the team should be doing better. Last night was clear as day when we made a run with our lineup of THT, Monk, Stanley, Reeves and old-ass Melo at Center and instead of rolling with that and subbing in LeBron for Melo, he went back to his "veterans" that are too old to sustain that energy for the entire game. |
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| Laker_Town wrote: | Vogel from early in the season has been showing his unhappiness with this organization and the spare parts team they gave him.
He likely came into the season upset about the extension and then the crap job in recruiting and keeping players. I understand that frustration and don't blame him one bit, however for quite some time now, Vogel has been essentially showing up the front office and highlighting their flawed team.
Hes been asking to part ways with this organization. He's defiantly made head scratchijg lineups, failed to make adjustments and many times like tonight, he delibarately kills momentum. That is delibarate, there is no sugar coating it.
Hes read what Rambis wants (more length) so what does he do? He vanished Howard and essentially says "f you , Rambis".
He wants to be gone. He has to go. That relationship is destroyed |
This is how I felt all season. He has checked out since the extension situation. He has to go. Hate to call it sabotage but in his pursuit of making a point it’s cost the team all year. |
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| DrDent wrote: | | Laker_Town wrote: | Vogel from early in the season has been showing his unhappiness with this organization and the spare parts team they gave him.
He likely came into the season upset about the extension and then the crap job in recruiting and keeping players. I understand that frustration and don't blame him one bit, however for quite some time now, Vogel has been essentially showing up the front office and highlighting their flawed team.
Hes been asking to part ways with this organization. He's defiantly made head scratchijg lineups, failed to make adjustments and many times like tonight, he delibarately kills momentum. That is delibarate, there is no sugar coating it.
Hes read what Rambis wants (more length) so what does he do? He vanished Howard and essentially says "f you , Rambis".
He wants to be gone. He has to go. That relationship is destroyed |
Wow, interesting take. I honestly hope you are wrong that Vog is doing that...but it would explain why someone who has been more about having a reliable big, etc, suddenly elected to just go "oh, so you want small ball, you really want small ball? I"LL SHOW YOU SMALL BALL THEN!" |
He’s almost been punishing LeBron too. When was the last time he got a rest in the 4th quarter after playing the five at extending minutes? We already see how it’s wearing him down over the last week |
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Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes
Los Angeles Lakers will not be making a personnel move at this juncture and Frank Vogel will travel with the team tomorrow to coach in Orlando on Friday, league sources tell @YahooSports
1:02 AM · Jan 20, 2022
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| hydrohead wrote: | Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes
Los Angeles Lakers will not be making a personnel move at this juncture and Frank Vogel will travel with the team tomorrow to coach in Orlando on Friday, league sources tell @YahooSports
1:02 AM · Jan 20, 2022 |
That's unfortunate because anyone who plays Melo 30 minutes definitely has mental illness. Inexcusable. Oh and starting and playing Ariza...who at this point in his career is absolutely 100% useless. |
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The problem with blaming Vogel completely for playing time/rotations is that it seems clear he's trying to make everybody happy, including front office (Rambis/Pelinka?) and his "star" players.
He's got one hand tied behind his back dealing with so many egos and a horrible roster. |
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| King Randle wrote: | | hydrohead wrote: | Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes
Los Angeles Lakers will not be making a personnel move at this juncture and Frank Vogel will travel with the team tomorrow to coach in Orlando on Friday, league sources tell @YahooSports
1:02 AM · Jan 20, 2022 |
That's unfortunate because anyone who plays Melo 30 minutes definitely has mental illness. Inexcusable. Oh and starting and playing Ariza...who at this point in his career is absolutely 100% useless. |
Bad decision making by Vogel. But you would have to ask why Ariza is even on the roster if he looked washed last year.
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| King Randle wrote: | | hydrohead wrote: | Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes
Los Angeles Lakers will not be making a personnel move at this juncture and Frank Vogel will travel with the team tomorrow to coach in Orlando on Friday, league sources tell @YahooSports
1:02 AM · Jan 20, 2022 |
That's unfortunate because anyone who plays Melo 30 minutes definitely has mental illness. Inexcusable. Oh and starting and playing Ariza...who at this point in his career is absolutely 100% useless. |
We started Howard and we benched russ in closing time which is what most of yall wanted. and we still lost.
Im so confused on who yall want actually playing. Lets go down the list shall we.
Lebron. (2 way player)
Ariza (1 way player)
Howard (1 way player)
Bradley (1 way player)
Westbrook (1 way player)
Johnson (1 way player)
Monk (1 way player)
Melo (1 way player)
THT (1 way player)
Reaves. (2 way player)
From the general opinion on LG yall dont want Melo, THT, Westbrook, Ariza, Bradley to get minutes or at least hardly any minutes. That leaves us with Lebron, Howard, Johnson, Monk, and Reaves; y'all want 5 of these guys to play 40 minutes+  .
We have exactly Lebron and Reaves who can play both offense and defense competently. Every one else is either a dumpster fire on offense or a dumpster fire on defense. No matter who you put in they will be deficient on one side of the court and yall will be clambering for someone else to be put in. This is a roster failure, nothing else. |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | There have been a lot of coaches on the hot seat throughout history. I have never seen one get as much backing from the outside like frank has. |
What do you mean from the outside? |
pundits, even Danny Green coming to his defense I thought there was another player but he has certainly had backing from people who write/talk BBall.
Most guys usually say "probably needs a change of scenery", "Guys are tuning him out", players and GM are actually getting the brunt from people.
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| Ksig wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | hydrohead wrote: | Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes
Los Angeles Lakers will not be making a personnel move at this juncture and Frank Vogel will travel with the team tomorrow to coach in Orlando on Friday, league sources tell @YahooSports
1:02 AM · Jan 20, 2022 |
That's unfortunate because anyone who plays Melo 30 minutes definitely has mental illness. Inexcusable. Oh and starting and playing Ariza...who at this point in his career is absolutely 100% useless. |
We started Howard and we benched russ in closing time which is what most of yall wanted. and we still lost.
Im so confused on who yall want actually playing. Lets go down the list shall we.
Lebron. (2 way player)
Ariza (1 way player)
Howard (1 way player)
Bradley (1 way player)
Westbrook (1 way player)
Johnson (1 way player)
Monk (1 way player)
Melo (1 way player)
THT (1 way player)
Reaves. (2 way player)
From the general opinion on LG yall dont want Melo, THT, Westbrook, Ariza, Bradley to get minutes or at least hardly any minutes. That leaves us with Lebron, Howard, Johnson, Monk, and Reaves; y'all want 5 of these guys to play 40 minutes+ .
We have exactly Lebron and Reaves who can play both offense and defense competently. Every one else is either a dumpster fire on offense or a dumpster fire on defense. No matter who you put in they will be deficient on one side of the court and yall will be clambering for someone else to be put in. This is a roster failure, nothing else. |
Sorry inexcusable to not have Dwight in the game down the stretch...Also, how about Bradley on LaVert..who annihilated us. It's a game to game thing...it's not "let's just play these guys." Which is what Vogel has been doing...committing to this small ball nonsense all the time. MIX IT UP! And btw playing sorry azz Melo 30 minutes is insanity...and playing Ariza even one second might be worse. |
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Pretty sure if the story was not leaked, Frank would be emptying out his office in an undersized cardboard box.
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| Ksig wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | hydrohead wrote: | Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes
Los Angeles Lakers will not be making a personnel move at this juncture and Frank Vogel will travel with the team tomorrow to coach in Orlando on Friday, league sources tell @YahooSports
1:02 AM · Jan 20, 2022 |
That's unfortunate because anyone who plays Melo 30 minutes definitely has mental illness. Inexcusable. Oh and starting and playing Ariza...who at this point in his career is absolutely 100% useless. |
We started Howard and we benched russ in closing time which is what most of yall wanted. and we still lost.
Im so confused on who yall want actually playing. Lets go down the list shall we.
Lebron. (2 way player)
Ariza (1 way player)
Howard (1 way player)
Bradley (1 way player)
Westbrook (1 way player)
Johnson (1 way player)
Monk (1 way player)
Melo (1 way player)
THT (1 way player)
Reaves. (2 way player)
From the general opinion on LG yall dont want Melo, THT, Westbrook, Ariza, Bradley to get minutes or at least hardly any minutes. That leaves us with Lebron, Howard, Johnson, Monk, and Reaves; y'all want 5 of these guys to play 40 minutes+ .
We have exactly Lebron and Reaves who can play both offense and defense competently. Every one else is either a dumpster fire on offense or a dumpster fire on defense. No matter who you put in they will be deficient on one side of the court and yall will be clambering for someone else to be put in. This is a roster failure, nothing else. |
Sabonis played 35mins and Dwight played 13. He was the only player that could guard sabonis lol
Avery Bradley is still living on his decade back reputation |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| King Randle wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | hydrohead wrote: | Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes
Los Angeles Lakers will not be making a personnel move at this juncture and Frank Vogel will travel with the team tomorrow to coach in Orlando on Friday, league sources tell @YahooSports
1:02 AM · Jan 20, 2022 |
That's unfortunate because anyone who plays Melo 30 minutes definitely has mental illness. Inexcusable. Oh and starting and playing Ariza...who at this point in his career is absolutely 100% useless. |
We started Howard and we benched russ in closing time which is what most of yall wanted. and we still lost.
Im so confused on who yall want actually playing. Lets go down the list shall we.
Lebron. (2 way player)
Ariza (1 way player)
Howard (1 way player)
Bradley (1 way player)
Westbrook (1 way player)
Johnson (1 way player)
Monk (1 way player)
Melo (1 way player)
THT (1 way player)
Reaves. (2 way player)
From the general opinion on LG yall dont want Melo, THT, Westbrook, Ariza, Bradley to get minutes or at least hardly any minutes. That leaves us with Lebron, Howard, Johnson, Monk, and Reaves; y'all want 5 of these guys to play 40 minutes+ .
We have exactly Lebron and Reaves who can play both offense and defense competently. Every one else is either a dumpster fire on offense or a dumpster fire on defense. No matter who you put in they will be deficient on one side of the court and yall will be clambering for someone else to be put in. This is a roster failure, nothing else. |
Sorry inexcusable to not have Dwight in the game down the stretch...Also, how about Bradley on LaVert..who annihilated us. It's a game to game thing...it's not "let's just play these guys." Which is what Vogel has been doing...committing to this small ball nonsense all the time. MIX IT UP! And btw playing sorry azz Melo 30 minutes is insanity...and playing Ariza even one second might be worse. |
We only played small ball after AD got hurt. Mix it up? We've tried literally every combination of players. We've had more starting lineup combinations than every other team combined. We played big with AD/Dwight for 20 games earlier in the season and guess what? we were .500. We started dwight against the pacers and guess what? we lost.
Ariza and Melo are our only players with any size besides Stanley Johnson. So unless you want to play Johnson and Lebron for 48 minutes a night you have to play Ariza/Melo. |
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It's weird the chain of leaks. Who are they coming from?
This has been the Vogel status timeline.
Before the season:
1) Vogel only got 1 year extension (planting the seeds of doubt).
Why give the coach who won you a ring, and had the #1 defense in the NBA with an injury depleted team (AD/Bron missed over half the games) just a 1 year extension? Second, why does this even come out? Seems like Vogel has people within the org. that doubt him.
2) As soon as the Lakers start .500/not too strong, the focus comes on Vogel's lack of job security.
3) Vogel gets Covid, and his replacement Fizdale does very ordinary. The team goes 1-5 without Vogel. But Lebron does say good things about Fizdale.
4) Someone leaks that Vogel's coaching on a game to game basis, and the Lakers almost fired Vogel already.
5) When #4 is revealed, the majority of the reaction (public) is negative towards LA, and positive towards Vogel. Former players like Danny Green support Vogel. Most NBA coaches in media positions strongly support Vogel. Executives (sourced) also support Vogel and question the Lakers moves of WB and signing guys like DAJ, Melo etc.
6) As #5 happens, suddenly you see a shift in what's said. Suddenly a new report comes out that Vogel's job is not under threat on a game to game basis and there is no plan to change coaches.
7) Now new report that the FO has even given coaches full authority to bench Westbrook and modify his role as they see fit.
Just wow, man. The Westbrook experience. First Houston with MDA/Harden/Morey. Now here with Vogel. I wonder if we can not make the same mistakes Houston did. Jeanie, for the love of god. Be patient. The issue isn't the 4.5M a year coach you pay. You're not getting Phil Jackson or some elite all time coach coming in and saving the WB disaster. What you do is just accept the mistake the FO made with trading Caruso (basically), Kuza, KCP and a 22nd pick for WB that drastically changed the balance of the roster. And you find a way to correct it over the next 6 months. |
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