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J.C. Smith wrote:
Tonight's loss is on Vogel. Lebron was getting torched with the small ball lineup with him at center. Then the double teams on George every trip down the stretch gave the Clippers one wide open look after the next.
I don't get why they kept trying to take the ball out of his hands. He was 7/20 shooting and 0-7 from three. Meanwhile Kennard, Morris, and Ibaka were 14/20 from three.
Continuing to start THT is also a head scratcher.
Wayne led a charge towards the end of the half and didn't see one minute in the 3rd.
You have a starting lineup with basically no shooters in the modern NBA.
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Tonight's loss is on Vogel. Lebron was getting torched with the small ball lineup with him at center. Then the double teams on George every trip down the stretch gave the Clippers one wide open look after the next.
I don't get why they kept trying to take the ball out of his hands. He was 7/20 shooting and 0-7 from three. Meanwhile Kennard, Morris, and Ibaka were 14/20 from three.
This.
Also what's with this insistence on playing THT big mins? The kid is not ready yet to be starting let alone on a team that's struggling lightly to get going offensively. Kid cannot shoot.
Tonight's loss is on Vogel. Lebron was getting torched with the small ball lineup with him at center. Then the double teams on George every trip down the stretch gave the Clippers one wide open look after the next.
I don't get why they kept trying to take the ball out of his hands. He was 7/20 shooting and 0-7 from three. Meanwhile Kennard, Morris, and Ibaka were 14/20 from three.
Continuing to start THT is also a head scratcher.
Wayne led a charge towards the end of the half and didn't see one minute in the 3rd.
You have a starting lineup with basically no shooters in the modern NBA.
The problem with Malik is we need him offensively but he is a liability on defense. The choice came down to let PG13 cook Malik or let other Clippers players beat us. Morris's 3 point shot was more luck than skill.
Tonight's loss is on Vogel. Lebron was getting torched with the small ball lineup with him at center. Then the double teams on George every trip down the stretch gave the Clippers one wide open look after the next.
I don't get why they kept trying to take the ball out of his hands. He was 7/20 shooting and 0-7 from three. Meanwhile Kennard, Morris, and Ibaka were 14/20 from three.
Continuing to start THT is also a head scratcher.
Wayne led a charge towards the end of the half and didn't see one minute in the 3rd.
You have a starting lineup with basically no shooters in the modern NBA.
Agreed…..poor coaching (and lack of effort) again…. Having the team’s poorest 3 point shooters and worst perimeter defenders - THT, AD and RW running the post kick out repeatedly and getting torched on D for most of the game with little to no adjustment is just smh. Continuing to give substantial minutes to a second round pick and an drafted rookie, both of whom are coming off of injuries is just dumb.
Lastly, this crap with running LBJ at 5 is f’n clown shoes stuff…. Draymon sort of can do it with regularity when it matters but it’s junk defense and not something to explore if the Lakers say they want to compete for a championship……Just a ridiculous team management loss just like the OKC games.
AD & Monk took some responsibility in missed opportunities from the free throw line/3point line respectively, but also seemingly threw a little more shade at Vogs again haha. Frank, your time is running out. I personally thing he would be an amazing DC (assistant coach) for us, but a HC you are not.
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Harrison Faigen
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Anthony Davis credited Ty Lue's playcalling down the stretch for the Clippers, saying that he found ways to take advantage of the Lakers' aggressive rotations.
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Cooper Halpern
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Monk just shouted out Ty Lue's adjustment of bringing Luke Kennard back to the strong side to exploit the Lakers' defensive scheme in the fourth quarter.
Harrison Faigen
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Malik has now called this "great coaching" at least three times during his postgame presser.
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Harrison Faigen
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To be fair, LeBron was SPECIFICALLY ASKED about Ty Lue's growth as a coach, but he praised the coach he won a title with in 2016, saying he "doesn't have a weakness" as a coach.
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AD & Monk took some responsibility in missed opportunities from the free throw line/3point line respectively, but also seemingly threw a little more shade at Vogs again haha. Frank, your time is running out. I personally thing he would be an amazing DC (assistant coach) for us, but a HC you are not.
Quote:
Harrison Faigen
@hmfaigen
Anthony Davis credited Ty Lue's playcalling down the stretch for the Clippers, saying that he found ways to take advantage of the Lakers' aggressive rotations.
Quote:
Cooper Halpern
@CooperHalpern
Monk just shouted out Ty Lue's adjustment of bringing Luke Kennard back to the strong side to exploit the Lakers' defensive scheme in the fourth quarter.
Harrison Faigen
@hmfaigen
Malik has now called this "great coaching" at least three times during his postgame presser.
Quote:
Harrison Faigen
@hmfaigen
To be fair, LeBron was SPECIFICALLY ASKED about Ty Lue's growth as a coach, but he praised the coach he won a title with in 2016, saying he "doesn't have a weakness" as a coach.
AD & Monk took some responsibility in missed opportunities from the free throw line/3point line respectively, but also seemingly threw a little more shade at Vogs again haha. Frank, your time is running out. I personally thing he would be an amazing DC (assistant coach) for us, but a HC you are not.
Quote:
Harrison Faigen
@hmfaigen
Anthony Davis credited Ty Lue's playcalling down the stretch for the Clippers, saying that he found ways to take advantage of the Lakers' aggressive rotations.
Quote:
Cooper Halpern
@CooperHalpern
Monk just shouted out Ty Lue's adjustment of bringing Luke Kennard back to the strong side to exploit the Lakers' defensive scheme in the fourth quarter.
Harrison Faigen
@hmfaigen
Malik has now called this "great coaching" at least three times during his postgame presser.
Quote:
Harrison Faigen
@hmfaigen
To be fair, LeBron was SPECIFICALLY ASKED about Ty Lue's growth as a coach, but he praised the coach he won a title with in 2016, saying he "doesn't have a weakness" as a coach.
There it is.
Vogel's days are very numbered.
Just because players from the other side are praising a coach doesn’t necessarily signal the end of Vogel but if someone becomes the scapegoat for our inconsistent ways it’s gonna be Vogel not the big 3.
AD & Monk took some responsibility in missed opportunities from the free throw line/3point line respectively, but also seemingly threw a little more shade at Vogs again haha. Frank, your time is running out. I personally thing he would be an amazing DC (assistant coach) for us, but a HC you are not.
Quote:
Harrison Faigen
@hmfaigen
Anthony Davis credited Ty Lue's playcalling down the stretch for the Clippers, saying that he found ways to take advantage of the Lakers' aggressive rotations.
Quote:
Cooper Halpern
@CooperHalpern
Monk just shouted out Ty Lue's adjustment of bringing Luke Kennard back to the strong side to exploit the Lakers' defensive scheme in the fourth quarter.
Harrison Faigen
@hmfaigen
Malik has now called this "great coaching" at least three times during his postgame presser.
Quote:
Harrison Faigen
@hmfaigen
To be fair, LeBron was SPECIFICALLY ASKED about Ty Lue's growth as a coach, but he praised the coach he won a title with in 2016, saying he "doesn't have a weakness" as a coach.
Come on, the clippers players will credit Vogel too. Something like “making lebron play 5 so our backup no name center can look like a beast”, “sending weak double teams so our best shooter can take open 3s”, “getting our slumping PF back in rhythm”.
Vogel told Lebron to come out and play as if this was a meaningless high school game? To slack on D? To play passive 3 point shooting offense instead of any aggression until the 4th Q? Why when he has such a big mismatch at the 5, is Lebron shooting eight three pointers? Why would Vogel put him at 5? So Bron can attack easier. So Bron can be more active. So we have more team speed. So WB can attack. Etc. Instead of taking advantage, Bron plays a very perimeter oriented game most of the night and takes multiple defensive plays off. What messages does this send the rest of the team?
This starts at the top. Bron has no where near the motivation he had in the washed king era. Bron won his ring and while I’m sure he wants a 5th, he doesn’t seem to want to put in the effort it takes. He’s coasting. He hasn’t come out this season for any significant period of time looking like a top 5 player.
AD can also be guilty of coasting. But not anywhere near as much as Bron. After a loss three weeks ago Bron said they need to play with some urgency. How much urgency did we see with Bron yesterday? Since that comment, how many times has Bron played with urgency?
Ask yourself why the team can play so engaged two times in a row without Bron (Detroit, Sacto road games) yet shows no passion with Bron? It’s not about just one specific play or coaching move. Lebron needs to provide intensity and consistency to the team, with his level of play and message. Vogel makes 4.5M a year. Bron makes 40M. Bron is being given a complete pass on his (bleep) effort. Paul George took off the game and the Clips got killed in the last game. Ty Lue was still their coach in that loss to the Kings. The difference is that the Clips approached this game as if it’s important. The Lakers just talk.
Vogel getting hate after the guys he helped develop (Caruso, KCP, Kuzma) are all showing to be defensive studs is ridiculous. Now he’s helping Monk develop into a 2 way player. He’s a damn good coach. But he can’t make Lebron play with the fire he had 2 years ago when everyone called him washed and wrote him off. He can’t make AD be the same AD he was in 2019. He can’t magically make Reaves into Caruso, THT into KCP, etc. Give him time though, and this team will play better as Lebron gets better. But this is a very poor approach by Bron this season. I’m utterly shocked at how little he cares for these games. Perhaps he’s been given advice to load manage. In his Laker career I’ve never seen him look this bad save for the time he came back right after the groin injury.
Vogel reminds me of a rich man’s Mike Brown when it comes to Xs and Os.
No. Mike Brown would actually bring in assistants that knew more about offense than he did. Vogel has no such mentality. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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Vogel is his own worst enemy with his rotations. I definitely don't think he should've started THT, someone who can't shoot at shooting guard, if he is starting Dwight. Even though I would expect it from Vogel, It's also surprising he did, since he talked about how high our defensive rating was vs Sacramento, and THT wasn't in there. He only played 16 minutes, Wayne Ellington 33. This game vs the Clippers, THT played 27 minutes and Wayne Ellington 19. When a rotation is bad, it throws the whole team off. Rondo was also in there. Now playing Rondo, with Vogel as a head coach is a slippery slope because he might play Rondo, Russ, and Bron at the same time.
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