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| danzag wrote: | Giving the max to Ayton is like giving the max to Gobert
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Is it really fair to compare both the same? Ayton is a stretch big who is regarded as a talented offensive big, while Gobert is seen as a defensive big who can catch lobs. |
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| Ayton is more similar to Embiid than Gobert |
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| Ayton was apart of a team that went to the Finals last year amidst with the injuries their opponents dealt with, this season he was apart of a team that won 64 games but ran out of gas in the end, it’s not crazy to assume that we can be a very good team very quick with Ayton and someone like Harden or Kyrie. |
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| And you would still AD potentially on the team or to flip for other assets |
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I don't think Ayton can carry a team offensively.
But I don't think he's a bad player either.
But some team will pony up a max and maybe regret it if it turns out he's not that interested in basketball, or he doesn't get the right set-up man (ala CP3).
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | I don't think Ayton can carry a team offensively.
But I don't think he's a bad player either.
But some team will pony up a max and maybe regret it if it turns out he's not that interested in basketball, or he doesn't get the right set-up man (ala CP3). |
He has played with Booker and CP3 the last 2 years I would say it’s wise to assume what Ayton can do if he had a full offense ran through him and not just sit and watch other players get the chuck of the shots. |
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I assume the Lakers would also trade AD after acquiring Ayton because the two of them together would provide really poor spacing.
Anyway, what a ridiculous nothing rumor.
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | danzag wrote: | Giving the max to Ayton is like giving the max to Gobert
Horrible decision |
Is it really fair to compare both the same? Ayton is a stretch big who is regarded as a talented offensive big, while Gobert is seen as a defensive big who can catch lobs. |
I'm not comparing them both as players.
But max contracts shouldn't be handled to players that aren't franchise players, and for me Gobert and Ayton aren't franchise players. |
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: |
Anyway, what a ridiculous nothing rumor. |
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I really hope Pelinka can circle back to a possible Hayward deal this summer.
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Plumlee (I'd prefer Oubre, but Plumlee as a backup would be fine)
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Westbrook
2027 1st (at minimum top-4 protection)
It's far from a quick fix, but getting two functional rotation players for a dysfunctional Westbrook including a good NBA starting wing would be a start at rebalancing the roster.
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Did people think this way about James Harden in Oklahoma City? Was anyone really surprised by his "transformation" in Houston?
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I don't think Ayton can carry a team offensively.
But I don't think he's a bad player either.
But some team will pony up a max and maybe regret it if it turns out he's not that interested in basketball, or he doesn't get the right set-up man (ala CP3). |
Did people think this way about James Harden in Oklahoma City? Was anyone really surprised by his "transformation" in Houston?
I echo that with Deandre Ayton.
We know what he has in his bag. We saw it in college. |
Are you saying he's a superstar just like 2021-22 Russell Westbrook was?
Notice the top big men. Joel/Jokic. They all space the floor. That is Ayton's issue IMO. He's a good, but not great player. Maybe he may make an all star team or two but not like Joel/Jokic.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | I really hope Pelinka can circle back to a possible Hayward deal this summer.
LAL
Hayward
Plumlee (I'd prefer Oubre, but Plumlee as a backup would be fine)
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Westbrook
2027 1st (at minimum top-4 protection)
It's far from a quick fix, but getting two functional rotation players for a dysfunctional Westbrook including a good NBA starting wing would be a start at rebalancing the roster. |
That's more realistic than most of what we see here. I'd hate to see it, though. We'd have three highly paid players who are likely to miss a lot of games. Can you count on Lebron playing 55 games at a high level (not counting the games when he just coasts)? Davis? Hayward? If they all turned out to have relatively healthy and productive years, we'd be okay. But if they didn't, we'd be shipping another lottery pick to the Pelicans.
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| danzag wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | danzag wrote: | Giving the max to Ayton is like giving the max to Gobert
Horrible decision |
Is it really fair to compare both the same? Ayton is a stretch big who is regarded as a talented offensive big, while Gobert is seen as a defensive big who can catch lobs. |
I'm not comparing them both as players.
But max contracts shouldn't be handled to players that aren't franchise players, and for me Gobert and Ayton aren't franchise players. |
Gobert was never expected to be a franchise player even with the contract the Jazz gave him, I already explained that Ayton had to play with Booker and CP3 the last few years who both are seen as ball-dominate players, no one doesn’t know what Ayton can do if he was a true #2 option on a team, I could easily see him average 23/11 if he had players setting him up frequently. |
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | I really hope Pelinka can circle back to a possible Hayward deal this summer.
LAL
Hayward
Plumlee (I'd prefer Oubre, but Plumlee as a backup would be fine)
CHA
Westbrook
2027 1st (at minimum top-4 protection)
It's far from a quick fix, but getting two functional rotation players for a dysfunctional Westbrook including a good NBA starting wing would be a start at rebalancing the roster. |
i would not add any 1st as we taking back an additional year of hayward @30m |
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Gordon Hayward and Anthony Davis like to play video games, they could develop chemistry that way, you know, while both of them spend half of the season on the IR. Meanwhile our future lottery pick goes to Charlotte. Mortage your future for a 32 year old.
Also, Mason Plumlee is cooked. That's why Charlotte spent so much energy last season looking for a center. |
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| Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | I really hope Pelinka can circle back to a possible Hayward deal this summer.
LAL
Hayward
Plumlee (I'd prefer Oubre, but Plumlee as a backup would be fine)
CHA
Westbrook
2027 1st (at minimum top-4 protection)
It's far from a quick fix, but getting two functional rotation players for a dysfunctional Westbrook including a good NBA starting wing would be a start at rebalancing the roster. |
i would not add any 1st as we taking back an additional year of hayward @30m |
Adding a 1st to that particular trade is really bad for the Lakers. It's fairly obvious that any trade the Lakers make involving Westbrook will end up being an "L", but that's almost outright quitting. If CHA sends back better player(s) than Plumlee (either Oubre/Rozier), I'd feel better about a 1st (Rob had better get some kind of lottery protection on it!).
Next season, acquiring Oubre wouldn't be half bad as he would be an expiring contract. Rozier is locked in for two additional seasons + a team option. While I think Rozier is the better player, you can't help but be a little apprehensive of how he'd fit alongside LBJ/AD and the longer financial commitment tied to him. Then again he's the antithesis of RW in that he can shoot the 3 and gives more effort on the defensive end. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | I really hope Pelinka can circle back to a possible Hayward deal this summer.
LAL
Hayward
Plumlee (I'd prefer Oubre, but Plumlee as a backup would be fine)
CHA
Westbrook
2027 1st (at minimum top-4 protection)
It's far from a quick fix, but getting two functional rotation players for a dysfunctional Westbrook including a good NBA starting wing would be a start at rebalancing the roster. |
That's more realistic than most of what we see here. I'd hate to see it, though. We'd have three highly paid players who are likely to miss a lot of games. Can you count on Lebron playing 55 games at a high level (not counting the games when he just coasts)? Davis? Hayward? If they all turned out to have relatively healthy and productive years, we'd be okay. But if they didn't, we'd be shipping another lottery pick to the Pelicans. |
That's the unfortunate tradeoff.
Good news is the Lakers own their draft pick next season.
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | I really hope Pelinka can circle back to a possible Hayward deal this summer.
LAL
Hayward
Plumlee (I'd prefer Oubre, but Plumlee as a backup would be fine)
CHA
Westbrook
2027 1st (at minimum top-4 protection)
It's far from a quick fix, but getting two functional rotation players for a dysfunctional Westbrook including a good NBA starting wing would be a start at rebalancing the roster. |
No way I would give up a pick.
I would focus on the Knicks if we really want to avoid trading picks.
Fournier
Rose
Burks or Noel
That's $40M+ right there. |
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Derrick Rose with Lebron again  . |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | Derrick Rose with Lebron again . |
He's just a $14M contract at this point. Whether he helps or not, I don't care. |
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all of these trades show that we are nowhere near competing. So best to ride out next year. let the $$$$ come off books, bron will have passed KAJ so that distraction and tunnel vision will be gone. then start rebuild.
next year is not about winning. it's about KAJ. |
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| Halflife wrote: | all of these trades show that we are nowhere near competing. So best to ride out next year. let the $$$$ come off books, bron will have passed KAJ so that distraction and tunnel vision will be gone. then start rebuild.
next year is not about winning. it's about KAJ. |
I think you would be surprised by the number of fans who wouldn’t be thrilled if next year was about LeBron and him scoring rather then building a roster that can be fun and win games |
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| I would let some other team give Ayton the max. Didn't blow me away in his contract year and he was in an offense that optimized his opportunities with great spacing and an elite spoonfeeder. |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | I really hope Pelinka can circle back to a possible Hayward deal this summer.
LAL
Hayward
Plumlee (I'd prefer Oubre, but Plumlee as a backup would be fine)
CHA
Westbrook
2027 1st (at minimum top-4 protection)
It's far from a quick fix, but getting two functional rotation players for a dysfunctional Westbrook including a good NBA starting wing would be a start at rebalancing the roster. |
Swap Oubre for Plumlee and then it's a deal. My intuition would be to move Hayward to Indy in a operate deal or make it a 3 team where by something like this happens:
CHAR: Westbrook, protected 2027 1st
INDY: Hayward, THT, 2028 swap rights , 3 2nds
LAL: Oubre, Hield, Brogdon
3 high level role players who all fit well on paper and are all in their primes. Brogdon has health issues but when he's active, good 3rd banana and secondary playmaker. Indy get's thei hometown guy to come plug the hole at the 3 while also getting a young prospect to develop who was also Haliburton's college teammate. Char clears bad money and even gets compensated for it. |
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