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dino
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| bjelica was awesome... |
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Pretty sure the Lakers would have to GIVE UP A 1st to trade away Westbrook’s contract. Unbelievable they gave up a 1st to take that contract off Washington’s hands.
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| pjiddy wrote: | | after one game |
Well, this trend has been going on a little bit longer, 0-7.  |
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| BynumForThree wrote: | | Pretty sure the Lakers would have to GIVE UP A 1st to trade away Westbrook’s contract. Unbelievable they gave up a 1st to take that contract off Washington’s hands. |
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| dino wrote: | | bjelica was awesome... |
This dude outhustle our bigs, can we get this vet team to chase boards and loose balls? |
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lakersfever714
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Lakers have no first rounder left to give away. Maybe one in 2030. But yea, they're stuck with Westbrick like it or not. I don't know how the Lakers get out of this one. Maybe Westbrick could start eating Curry Wheaties and wake up one day start shooting 40% from three.
It was hard to watch seeing Lebron still playing like an MVP and the Lakers supporting cast couldn't even help him beat a team where Klay and Steph didnt even show up. Another precious year of Lebron might be going to waste. We still have Westbrick for one more year.
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RI Laker
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| EchoZulu wrote: | | For us.....Hield >>>>>> WB |
I agree. Sadly, its actually more like KCP, AC, and Hield >>>>WB. |
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Lakesh0wtime
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My only real complaint is Deandre.
He can’t rebound, Box out, or defend.
Absolutely useless out there.
Drummond and Gasol weren’t even this bad.
Wish we had Damian Jones |
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yinoma2001
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Ahh, LG.
Last year, people P&M about Dennis, want Rondo and another star PG instead (and bring back the old crew).
Rob gets WB, brings back a lot of the old crew (Rondo, Dwight, Avery, etc.).
After 1 regular season game, people P&M about WB.
What should we do next folks? |
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Reds622
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Ahh, LG.
Last year, people P&M about Dennis, want Rondo and another star PG instead (and bring back the old crew).
Rob gets WB, brings back a lot of the old crew (Rondo, Dwight, Avery, etc.).
After 1 regular season game, people P&M about WB.
What should we do next folks? |
Let’s wait and see how this plays out over the next month or so…
But it doesn’t look like Westbrook can get to the basket in a half-court offense, and he’s a terrible shooter.
It’s not really clear if this is going to work yet or not.
At least he’s good in the room and is a leader, so that’s obviously a significant improvement over your golden child from last season. |
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| roger_federer wrote: | | BynumForThree wrote: | | Pretty sure the Lakers would have to GIVE UP A 1st to trade away Westbrook’s contract. Unbelievable they gave up a 1st to take that contract off Washington’s hands. |
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Unless its like top 18 they most likely have to give up more than just a 1st. We are stuck with WB
Only way I see this working to any degree is if the Lakers have the gall to convert Westbrook into a 6th man type player. Let him come start for a few minutes to save face and then quickly stagger him the rest of the game where he plays when Lebron is not in the game and close the game with him on the bench.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Ahh, LG.
Last year, people P&M about Dennis, want Rondo and another star PG instead (and bring back the old crew).
Rob gets WB, brings back a lot of the old crew (Rondo, Dwight, Avery, etc.).
After 1 regular season game, people P&M about WB.
What should we do next folks? |
The issue remains though and I have said it many times. I supported both Dennis and Westbrook moves because the Lakers made them, but they were not moves I would have personally made because it's not a natural fit.
But what Lebron will argue (or his fans) is that neither were Wade and Bron. However it worked out because Wade's talent was that much. The argument for Westbrook, that Dennis never had, is that talent gap. You can put up with the warts of Westbrook because for every crap game like last night (and trust me there are at least 15 to 20 more of those in the RS) he will have just as many superstar (MVP level) shooting/overall games. The rest will be par (Solid games). That's been his MO throughout his career. With Dennis, the warts were never made up by the good games.
All that said, like I said a year ago and in the summer. AD and Bron are proven. 2+2 = 4 to take Shaq's words. Why we make things so complicated by adding ball dominant 3rd options who suck at 3 pointers IDK. I understand we want Lebron to play more off the ball. But why does it seem we've replace a great spot up shooter like Danny Green who fit in so well with ball dominant guards that don't fit in easily.
Again, I think Westbrook's talent makes up for the warts. But personally, I've never understood our obsession with breakng up the dynamics of a ring team. Pelinka's argument was he's striving to get better aka Kobe. It's not enough to win, you still try to improve. I get that. But damn, it's been tough for Lebron/AD to play with any PG outside of Rondo. Neither Dennis looked good, nor has Westbrook. Rondo has looked good in spurts, but as full time starter he didn't look good around Lebron. Neither did Ball, IMO. I get the benefits, I just don't think they have ever outweighed the consequences. However at this point, all we have to do is hope that Westbrook improves his off the ball cutting and D. What bummed me was not his shooting. He didn't cut enough, and he didn't defend hard at all. He has to. |
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| governator wrote: | | dino wrote: | | bjelica was awesome... |
This dude outhustle our bigs, can we get this vet team to chase boards and loose balls? |
Bjelica isn’t a big enough name to be a Laker
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Ahh, LG.
Last year, people P&M about Dennis, want Rondo and another star PG instead (and bring back the old crew).
Rob gets WB, brings back a lot of the old crew (Rondo, Dwight, Avery, etc.).
After 1 regular season game, people P&M about WB.
What should we do next folks? |
To be fair - seemed like a heavy majority of people here wanted the Hield deal over WB, so it's within reason to complain if WB bombs. |
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kikanga
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Ahh, LG.
Last year, people P&M about Dennis, want Rondo and another star PG instead (and bring back the old crew).
Rob gets WB, brings back a lot of the old crew (Rondo, Dwight, Avery, etc.).
After 1 regular season game, people P&M about WB.
What should we do next folks? |
Go back another year. People P&M about Rondo. There always has to be a whipping boy. Danny Green and KCP have gotten tastes of it too.
It’s all good. Most of the doomsayers will disappear for most of the season after we figure it out and start rattling off win streaks.
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| kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Ahh, LG.
Last year, people P&M about Dennis, want Rondo and another star PG instead (and bring back the old crew).
Rob gets WB, brings back a lot of the old crew (Rondo, Dwight, Avery, etc.).
After 1 regular season game, people P&M about WB.
What should we do next folks? |
Go back another year. People P&M about Rondo. There always has to be a whipping boy. Danny Green and KCP have gotten tastes of it too |
Russ has always started slow, particularly last couple of seasons. I remember last season Westbrook looked like you had to attach a FRP just to get rid of him and then he played so well that the Wizards didn’t want to get rid of him…he went to the owner and asked to work something out.
2 takeaways so far:
1. Melo is borderline unplayable on this team. This isn’t the Blazers where they don’t really play defense.
2. Vogel cannot afford to feel out lineups. Having too many non-defenders on the court at the same time could lead to his firing mid season. That game last night was lost as soon as he went to that lineup to end the 3rd. He will not have the luxury of past seasons where he experimented with lineups and then brought in Caruso, Green or KCP to choke out opponent. There are simply too many below average defenders on the roster. |
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| Get me Ben Simmons! |
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LakerSD
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| AD23 wrote: | | Get me Ben Simmons! |
So we are going the Tasmanian Devil routine where LBJ, Simmons and AD clog the paint and try to spin their way to the basket!
Not too different from Russ/LBJ/AD  |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Ahh, LG.
Last year, people P&M about Dennis, want Rondo and another star PG instead (and bring back the old crew).
Rob gets WB, brings back a lot of the old crew (Rondo, Dwight, Avery, etc.).
After 1 regular season game, people P&M about WB.
What should we do next folks? |
Go back another year. People P&M about Rondo. There always has to be a whipping boy. Danny Green and KCP have gotten tastes of it too |
Russ has always started slow, particularly last couple of seasons. I remember last season Westbrook looked like you had to attach a FRP just to get rid of him and then he played so well that the Wizards didn’t want to get rid of him…he went to the owner and asked to work something out.
2 takeaways so far:
1. Melo is borderline unplayable on this team. This isn’t the Blazers where they don’t really play defense.
2. Vogel cannot afford to feel out lineups. Having too many non-defenders on the court at the same time could lead to his firing mid season. That game last night was lost as soon as he went to that lineup to end the 3rd. He will not have the luxury of past seasons where he experimented with lineups and then brought in Caruso, Green or KCP to choke out opponent. There are simply too many below average defenders on the roster. |
Ya, by years end. Everybody in Washington loved him. And he deserved the player of the month he got to end the year.
I expect us to do a lot of experimenting to start the season. Then by all star break Vogel will lock in a steady rotation. He probably believes we can be at least average defensively (if not better) once everybody buys in and understands what he wants. We have the personnel for rim protection. But our communication is bad. Be it pick and roll defense or switching off ball.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Ahh, LG.
Last year, people P&M about Dennis, want Rondo and another star PG instead (and bring back the old crew).
Rob gets WB, brings back a lot of the old crew (Rondo, Dwight, Avery, etc.).
After 1 regular season game, people P&M about WB.
What should we do next folks? |
So your contribution is to mock people who are venting. Come on, man, you can do better than that.
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| kikanga wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Ahh, LG.
Last year, people P&M about Dennis, want Rondo and another star PG instead (and bring back the old crew).
Rob gets WB, brings back a lot of the old crew (Rondo, Dwight, Avery, etc.).
After 1 regular season game, people P&M about WB.
What should we do next folks? |
Go back another year. People P&M about Rondo. There always has to be a whipping boy. Danny Green and KCP have gotten tastes of it too |
Russ has always started slow, particularly last couple of seasons. I remember last season Westbrook looked like you had to attach a FRP just to get rid of him and then he played so well that the Wizards didn’t want to get rid of him…he went to the owner and asked to work something out.
2 takeaways so far:
1. Melo is borderline unplayable on this team. This isn’t the Blazers where they don’t really play defense.
2. Vogel cannot afford to feel out lineups. Having too many non-defenders on the court at the same time could lead to his firing mid season. That game last night was lost as soon as he went to that lineup to end the 3rd. He will not have the luxury of past seasons where he experimented with lineups and then brought in Caruso, Green or KCP to choke out opponent. There are simply too many below average defenders on the roster. |
Ya, by years end. Everybody in Washington loved him. And he deserved the player of the month he got to end the year.
I expect us to do a lot of experimenting to start the season. Then by all star break Vogel will lock in a steady rotation. He probably believes we can be at least average defensively (if not better) once everybody buys in and understands what he wants. We have the personnel for rim protection. But our communication is bad. Be it pick and roll defense or switching off ball. |
Yeah they loved him so much they got rid of him after 1 year for what many people here consider as Laker scraps. I haven't heard many Wizards fans complaining about the trade either
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| 3baller wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Ya, by years end. Everybody in Washington loved him. And he deserved the player of the month he got to end the year.
I expect us to do a lot of experimenting to start the season. Then by all star break Vogel will lock in a steady rotation. He probably believes we can be at least average defensively (if not better) once everybody buys in and understands what he wants. We have the personnel for rim protection. But our communication is bad. Be it pick and roll defense or switching off ball. |
Yeah they loved him so much they got rid of him after 1 year for what many people here consider as Laker scraps. I haven't heard many Wizards fans complaining about the trade either |
Yep. The "everyone loved him in Washington" narrative has been kicked around a few times. I'm not entirely sure where it came from. I'm sure Westbrook had his fans.
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Ahh, LG.
Last year, people P&M about Dennis, want Rondo and another star PG instead (and bring back the old crew).
Rob gets WB, brings back a lot of the old crew (Rondo, Dwight, Avery, etc.).
After 1 regular season game, people P&M about WB.
What should we do next folks? |
The issue remains though and I have said it many times. I supported both Dennis and Westbrook moves because the Lakers made them, but they were not moves I would have personally made because it's not a natural fit.
But what Lebron will argue (or his fans) is that neither were Wade and Bron. However it worked out because Wade's talent was that much. The argument for Westbrook, that Dennis never had, is that talent gap. You can put up with the warts of Westbrook because for every crap game like last night (and trust me there are at least 15 to 20 more of those in the RS) he will have just as many superstar (MVP level) shooting/overall games. The rest will be par (Solid games). That's been his MO throughout his career. With Dennis, the warts were never made up by the good games.
All that said, like I said a year ago and in the summer. AD and Bron are proven. 2+2 = 4 to take Shaq's words. Why we make things so complicated by adding ball dominant 3rd options who suck at 3 pointers IDK. I understand we want Lebron to play more off the ball. But why does it seem we've replace a great spot up shooter like Danny Green who fit in so well with ball dominant guards that don't fit in easily.
Again, I think Westbrook's talent makes up for the warts. But personally, I've never understood our obsession with breakng up the dynamics of a ring team. Pelinka's argument was he's striving to get better aka Kobe. It's not enough to win, you still try to improve. I get that. But damn, it's been tough for Lebron/AD to play with any PG outside of Rondo. Neither Dennis looked good, nor has Westbrook. Rondo has looked good in spurts, but as full time starter he didn't look good around Lebron. Neither did Ball, IMO. I get the benefits, I just don't think they have ever outweighed the consequences. However at this point, all we have to do is hope that Westbrook improves his off the ball cutting and D. What bummed me was not his shooting. He didn't cut enough, and he didn't defend hard at all. He has to. |
I hate to nit pick here, but Schroder had plenty of solid games, and perhaps more importantly wasn't a 40% cap hit. The relative value in the context of salary is a wash for me personally. |
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Simmons and DG or Seth for WB and Monk?
Simmons DG Ellington Bron AD ----- decent spacing. ben/ad/bron + 2 shooters
WB Bazemore Bron AD DJ ----- bad spacing. wb/ad/bron/DJ + 1 shooter (baze not really a shooter shooter) but DECENT 3&D. |
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