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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Only other situation where I can think of a team keeping a disgruntled player is Kobe. Obviously much different situation, nobody ever questioned his talent, it was him questioning whether he had the horses around him where they could make a deep playoff run. |
Before the 1993 season, Hakeem's agent demanded a trade and threatened a lawsuit because of a disagreement and a suspension that happened at the end of the previous season. The Rockets refused and they went on to win a ring. |
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| Kobetan wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Simmons may eventually be a Laker. |
Then we may very well go down in history, as the best team that can't shoot. Not the best team, but just the best 'non shooting star players' team |
Not now, but in the future. |
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| P.K. wrote: | Some of you guys are forgetting that Simmons still has a 4 year contract, and is gonna get paid regardless.
He can easily spend a year or 2 playing like ass and giving 1/2 effort in practice, then get traded someplace and use the remaining 2-3 years to rehab his image in time for his next contract.
It's a superstar league, and Simmons (while he can's shoot) is still a generational talent (who's very young still). ALL of the owners in the league might hate what he's doing, but 1/2 of them will take him on their teams in a heartbeat for the right price. |
Several aspects of this take are open to debate. At this point, Simmons does not appear to be a generational talent. He might not rank in the top 10 players of his generation (depending on how you define his “generation,” I suppose). He is not very young. He is 25, which getting close to mid-career in the NBA. The “right price” for other NBA teams doesn’t appear to be very high.
But sure, he could do exactly what you say. It’s unlikely to come to that. Eventually, the market will come to the Sixers.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | If Simmons purposely causes the team to lose then his credibility in the league would be shot. Owners wouldn’t want to waste get min money on him. According to some reports from some FO execs around the league, his credibility is already being questioned. |
Questioned? But I bet you if any of those GMs has got a chance to get him, they'd do it in a heartbeat. It's a superstar league. That means teams would go out of their ways to acquire superstars. Look at KD, Klay and Kawhi. Teams would pay those guys max money while they do nothing. A little character issue isn't going to change anything. |
Superstars don’t tank.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | If Simmons purposely causes the team to lose then his credibility in the league would be shot. Owners wouldn’t want to waste get min money on him. According to some reports from some FO execs around the league, his credibility is already being questioned. |
Questioned? But I bet you if any of those GMs has got a chance to get him, they'd do it in a heartbeat. It's a superstar league. That means teams would go out of their ways to acquire superstars. Look at KD, Klay and Kawhi. Teams would pay those guys max money while they do nothing. A little character issue isn't going to change anything. |
Superstars don’t tank.
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| Even if Simmons fully recommits himself to the 76ers, I think they'll need to trade him if they'll have any chance at winning the NBA title. Simmons can't and won't shoot, and although he's really good at a few other things, his inability and unwillingness to shoot the ball outside the paint will make him a big liability come playoff time. |
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| Where Middleton now after last playoff, better than PG? Beal? McCollum prob? Jimmy bucket? |
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I have a hard time seeing anyone giving Philly 80 cents on the dollar for Simmons - not unless he is playing 20/10 ball. I'm wondering if his return to Philly is personal, about hurting the 76ers chances to get a Lillard, Beal type of talent in return. Play, play out the string maybe put down 10/6 stats game to game, just sort of play passive, force Philly to make a deal.
Now what would be interesting say 10 games in the season; half-assed effort from Simmons and Kyrie not playing at all due to vaccination refusal.
Do the Nets and Philly deal?
But if I was Philly, I'd really try to move him out West preferably some place without a winning record the past few years - Minny, Sac Town, Spursville, maybe Dallas.
I can't see what the Lakers could trade - Westbrook is the only guy making that kind of money, and unless he was unhappy, I don't see that deal happening.
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Pelinka might get himself fired giving up Heild, Caruso, and KCP for Westbrook.
It looks like a bad bad move. |
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| Reds622 wrote: | Pelinka might get himself fired giving up Heild, Caruso, and KCP for Westbrook.
It looks like a bad bad move. |
He didn't give up Caruso, KCP, and Hield for Caruso. He gave up KCP, Kuz, and Trez. We could still have AC if we wanted and instead used that money K Nunn got on a big wing who can defend and hopefully shooting a little.
But yeah, it's very early but Hield was likely the better call. |
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For us.....Hield >>>>>> WB
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Hey, at least we'll get a good draft pick this year.
Oh, wait... |
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Wizards FO is laughing themselves to sleep tonight. They got rid of the worst contract in the NBA for solid role players AND a 1st round pick??? One of the dumbest trades ever and most Laker fans drank that kool-aid.
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| 2019 wrote: | | Reds622 wrote: | Pelinka might get himself fired giving up Heild, Caruso, and KCP for Westbrook.
It looks like a bad bad move. |
He didn't give up Caruso, KCP, and Hield for Caruso. He gave up KCP, Kuz, and Trez. We could still have AC if we wanted and instead used that money K Nunn got on a big wing who can defend and hopefully shooting a little.
But yeah, it's very early but Hield was likely the better call. |
We used the MLE(5M) on Nunn. Caruso was asking for 10M. We could have kept KCP and have enough space to give AC his 10M without paying extra on luxury tax. KCP + Hield + AC's salary would have been around 45M which is about what Westbrook is making by himself(44M+).
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| Reds622 wrote: | Pelinka might get himself fired giving up Heild, Caruso, and KCP for Westbrook.
It looks like a bad bad move. |
honestly I think that was a Lebron + Jeannie decision. Lebron wanted it to happen and Jeannie was 100% on board because she wants to fill the Lakers with "big names". Where Pelinka screwed up on was giving them a totally unnecessary 1st round pick. But honestly that doesnt move the needle in any regards.
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oh man this is so enjoyable
it's gonna make the turnaround so much sweeter |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Time for you all to start putting together some Westbrook trades |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | Reds622 wrote: | Pelinka might get himself fired giving up Heild, Caruso, and KCP for Westbrook.
It looks like a bad bad move. |
honestly I think that was a Lebron + Jeannie decision. Lebron wanted it to happen and Jeannie was 100% on board because she wants to fill the Lakers with "big names". Where Pelinka screwed up on was giving them a totally unnecessary 1st round pick. But honestly that doesnt move the needle in any regards. |
Pelinka makes the calls to choose Westbrook over Hield no more than Dave Roberts decides to start Knebel over Urias.
It's Klutch calling all the shots just like Friedman calls the shots.
But at least Friedman uses analytics. I don't know what the f... Klutch uses to pick their teams. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | Time for you all to start putting together some Westbrook trades |
No team is dumb enough to trade for him. Except the Lakers. He only moved around because Harden demanded him, didn’t work out, and then Wall was equally toxic so fair trade.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | defense wrote: | | Time for you all to start putting together some Westbrook trades |
No team is dumb enough to trade for him. Except the Lakers. He only moved around because Harden demanded him, didn’t work out, and then Wall was equally toxic so fair trade. |
So sad and so true.
Not that it will ever happen, but the Sixers might be a good fit for WB given that Embiid is so versatile and they have shooting with Harris, Curry and Green. |
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| Reds622 wrote: | Pelinka might get himself fired giving up Heild, Caruso, and KCP for Westbrook.
It looks like a bad bad move. |
AFTER ONE FREAKING GAME!!!!!!!  |
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| I want to see him getting the ball where DS did last year. Throw it to him on the weak side and let him go to work driving in the paint. I’m not giving up on the signing. |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | Wizards FO is laughing themselves to sleep tonight. They got rid of the worst contract in the NBA for solid role players AND a 1st round pick??? One of the dumbest trades ever and most Laker fans drank that kool-aid. |
Not sure about most, but this thread had a couple box score literate kool-aid drinkers for sure after the WB trade.
It's a lot more fun to watch games knowing your team can shut the other team down in crunch time and win EVERY game we go into the 4th quarter leading.
Yep we did a couple years ago. With a couple 'decent role players.'
Hope Westbrook proves my pessimism misplaced, somehow. I think this is a terribly poorly balanced roster on several levels. We'll see. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | defense wrote: | | Time for you all to start putting together some Westbrook trades |
No team is dumb enough to trade for him. Except the Lakers. He only moved around because Harden demanded him, didn’t work out, and then Wall was equally toxic so fair trade. |
I don't think Westbrick could be moved right now with how much he's making and after the first game unless we want to include sweetener. He would have to show signs of Washington Westbrick. That means we would have to play him extended minutes and letting him handle the ball more which would mean possibly losing a lot of games.
Other than that, the Lakers just have to find a way to make him work. I don't know how but they just have to. Like it or not, they're stuck with him for the time being. Like I've said, I'll believe it when I see it. I want to believe Westbrick would work out.
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