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Dr. Laker
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:21 pm Post subject:

Car54 wrote:

I just read a rumor that Avery Bradley was open to a heat return but the Heat wasn’t interested. Does Avery Bradley run people the wrong way? The Lakers didn’t want him back Heat don’t want him and he’s just sitting out there jobless.

I thought he was a lock to come back to the Lakers. I'd be interested in hearing the backstory on why he didn't.
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:27 pm Post subject:

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^^^^

I hang out with a crew on Saturday mornings at a cigar shop. About 10 years ago, I convinced them that we should adopt an EPL team, since I made them watch soccer. I picked Blackpool, which was a long shot team that, in fact, got relegated after one year. We all bought shirts. This is what it looked like:

https://www.footballkitnews.com/665/1011-blackpool-premier-league-shirt-carbrini/

It turns out that Wonga was a payday loan company that became highly controversial and was referred to as a "legal loan shark." It eventually crashed, burned, and dissolved in bankruptcy. In hindsight, I would have been fine with a logo with chopsticks.

Haha...I actually dig the logo in Laker color aways. Had it stayed green tho on our jerseys...yuck!

Btw, someone should tell em to stop troll’n...it’s supposed to be #19.
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:36 pm Post subject:

vasashi17+ wrote:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:

vasashi17+ wrote:

35y/o Monta on deck?

Wait, he hasn't played in four years. Hell, why aren't we working out Marcus Banks?

Should be make’em dance Lance imho. Has history with both us & Vogs and has the physical traits to be deterrent on the wing vs our opps.

Meanwhile, Lakers ownership gets a bit richer...AC probably rolling over in his grave right about now.

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The Lakers unveiled a new sponsor for their jersey patches Monday: Bibigo, a South Korean line of dumplings, sauces and frozen meals.

The five-year agreement is worth more than $100 million, according to people familiar with the deal but not authorized to disclose its terms publicly. NBA jersey patch deals have sold for an average range of $7 million to $10 million per year, according to The Athletic.

Did the bibigo logo really have to have green in it? Somehow I know jodeke is responsible for this.

Thank goodness, the logo on the jerseys will be wiped clean of that despicable green.

https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/1440141535916425230

I am just glad they dropped WISH as the sponsor. It was embarrassing for the Lakers to be involved with such a crappy company. I rather take some unknown company than someone known for how bad their products are.

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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:59 pm Post subject:

Dr. Laker wrote:

Car54 wrote:

I thought he was a lock to come back to the Lakers. I'd be interested in hearing the backstory on why he didn't.

I heard info a couple of months ago that Bradley and Pelinka were keeping in touch with each other when he was out during the bubble playoffs, so obviously it looks like both still had a good relationship despite the fact that Bradley screwed the Lakers with his decision, we are better off bringing Bradley over Collison to battle for the 14th spot in training camp btw even though Collison would give us a nice lift at the PG position.

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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:35 pm Post subject:

The PG position is (by far) the slot we need the least lift at. I really don't see the appeal of our squad becoming the Los Angeles Munchkins.

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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:11 pm Post subject:

joeblow wrote:

The PG position is (by far) the slot we need the least lift at. I really don't see the appeal of our squad becoming the Los Angeles Munchkins.

Yeah because we got Rondo so Collison isn’t really needed even though he’s more better offensively, that’s why going after Bradley makes sense, he will give us another guy to throw at players.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:49 am Post subject:

The Klutch killahs are out again. Is Morey ready for it? Clearly Demps wasn’t.

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ESPN Sources: Philadelphia 76ers All-Star Ben Simmons will not report for opening of training camp next week and intends to never play another game for the franchise. Simmons hasn’t spoken to team since a late August meeting when he communicated this message to Sixers officials.

Simmons is clearly aware of sanctions available to organization to fine and suspend him, including withholding of salary. But so far, Simmons appears willing to carry out a plan of forcing his way to a new team. Sixers have yet to find a a trade they’re willing to make for him.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:53 am Post subject:

Way I break down our team Point Guards - Bron, Westbrook, Rondo Shooting Wings - Baze, Nunn, Monk, Ellington, THT Wings - AD, Ariza, Melo, Bron Bigs - Dwight, DeAndre, AD We are a little heavy on the 2 guards/shooting wings, could probably sub one of them out for a true wing (6'9-6'11 range). But even there, I am sure many consider Bron, AD, Melo, Ariza all wings in that mold. We have a pretty balanced roster, the issue will be whether the point guards can play together (Westbrook, Bron) and how the age of the roster holds up against the long grind of the season. The main component for roster balance may just be what 3 point shooting we get from AD (Allows him to play more 4), and what we get from Melo/Ariza as wings in the Kuzma role. The Lakers have had issues with their wing spot the last year. ADs 3 point shot went MIA last season, and Kuzma was inconsistent.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:03 am Post subject:

This Ben Simmons situation is pretty interesting. Klutch and player empowerment aside, I totally get where he's coming from. His head coach and management basically threw him under the bus at the end of last season. Why would you return for that BS?

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:11 am Post subject:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:

This Ben Simmons situation is pretty interesting. Klutch and player empowerment aside, I totally get where he's coming from. His head coach and management basically threw him under the bus at the end of last season. Why would you return for that BS?

The fact that they could've traded Simmons for Harden and refused not to. Wow I bet they wish they can re-do that.
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:17 am Post subject:

Mamba Mentality wrote:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:

The fact that they could've traded Simmons for Harden and refused not to. Wow I bet they wish they can re-do that.

That's for sure. Was that deal really on the table? I thought Fertita refused to do business with Morey after his "retirement" and move to Philly.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:20 am Post subject:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:

Mamba Mentality wrote:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:

The fact that they could've traded Simmons for Harden and refused not to. Wow I bet they wish they can re-do that.

That's for sure. Was that deal really on the table? I thought Fertita refused to do business with Morey after his "retirement" and move to Philly.

That was probably a factor too. If my memory serves correctly I think the Rockets wanted Simmons and some 1sts.
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:43 am Post subject:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:

Well, there is the little incentive of his $31.5 million salary. That might induce him to come back after his little hissy fit is over.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:43 am Post subject:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:

Because you signed a contract. That may or may not be persuasive, depending on your personal viewpoint on these sorts of things. So here’s another way of looking at the situation. Simmons played poorly in the playoffs and looked foolish when he passed out of an open dunk. He got ripped up by pretty much everyone. Well, this happens in sports. Is Simmons really such a prima donna that he can’t take the heat? In the end, this is all due to his own failures. So sure, he’s entitled to be feel stung by what Rivers and Embiid said. But now he’s going to take his toys and go home. Boo hoo.

So why would you put up with this “BS”? Because you’re a freaking professional athlete who gets paid an eight figure salary. You are not exempt from taking flak when you play badly in a critical game. Your coach and your teammates shouldn’t have to worry about your poor widdle ego.
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:47 am Post subject:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:

He has a head problem. He should definitely be a red flag to all other teams watching this play out.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:48 am Post subject:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:

Ben Simmons threw himself under the bus by having a crappy work ethic. Yeah, Doc tried to save himself after having so many choke jobs but Ben needs to look himself in the mirror. Even Embid threw him under the bus. Can't really blame him.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:49 am Post subject:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:

Mamba Mentality wrote:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:

The fact that they could've traded Simmons for Harden and refused not to. Wow I bet they wish they can re-do that.

That's for sure. Was that deal really on the table? I thought Fertita refused to do business with Morey after his "retirement" and move to Philly.

There have been at least three very different explanations offered by various reporters:

1. It was reported that the Sixers offered a package centered on Simmons, Matisse Thybulle and draft compensation, but would not include rookie Tyrese Maxey, whom Houston wanted. If you believe this one, Maxey was the sticking point.

2. The second report is that Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta was adamant he wasn't going to make a trade with his former GM Daryl Morey. If you believe this one, emotions were the sticking point.

3. The third report is that the Rockets realize that if they were trading Harden they were doing a complete rebuild, and Simmons wasn't the guy they wanted to rebuild around. If you believe this one, the sticking point was the Rockets not wanting Simmons.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:53 am Post subject:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:

Well, there is the little incentive of his $31.5 million salary. That might induce him to come back after his little hissy fit is over.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:56 am Post subject:

activeverb wrote:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:

Mamba Mentality wrote:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:

The fact that they could've traded Simmons for Harden and refused not to. Wow I bet they wish they can re-do that.

That's for sure. Was that deal really on the table? I thought Fertita refused to do business with Morey after his "retirement" and move to Philly.

And they are not necessarily mutually exclusive either. Possible that all 3 of those scenarios played a part. Maybe they were "okay" with Simmons coming back but once Maxey was off the table, they said "No thanks".

And of course Morey being on the other side can play a small or large part no matter who was involved in a theoretical trade.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:17 am Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:

joeblow wrote:

The PG position is (by far) the slot we need the least lift at. I really don't see the appeal of our squad becoming the Los Angeles Munchkins.

Yeah because we got Rondo so Collison isn’t really needed even though he’s more better offensively, that’s why going after Bradley makes sense, he will give us another guy to throw at players.

You completely missed the point of my response. We have a bajillion short players already and don't need yet another one, ESPECIALLY with our shortage of backup defenders at the 6'7" - 6'10" range.

With that said, we're also considering adding Monta Ellis, apparently.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:19 am Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:

Years of working in the Entertainment Industry and other business ventures have shown me that contracts are mutable. Years in senior management have taught me that 99.9% of the time, it's better to let a disgruntled person walk, regardless of their contract situation.

Of course . . . if you can extract some advantage, compensation or improvement in the transition process, you do so. But there is little to gain by extending a toxic situation other than a symbolic showing of who has the bigger wee-wee.

I blame Morey, a longtime professional, for letting this drag on.
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:58 am Post subject:

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Stein: Portland's CJ McCollum replaced Phoenix's Chris Paul as president of the National Basketball Players Association on Aug. 7 after Paul's eight-year run.

Next up: McCollum and the executive committee have to select Michele Roberts' successor. Nearing the end of her own eight-year tenure, Roberts told Yahoo! Sports' Vincent Goodwill in July that she expected to remain in the job for only "six or so months."

I reported in July that Malik Rose, who won two championships in San Antonio as a player and worked in Detroit's front office before moving to his current basketball operations post in the league office, had emerged as an NBPA candidate.

Over the past two months, league sources have identified other potential candidates contacted as part of a long-running search that began in March 2020 and was paused last summer while the league and the union were focused on restarting the 2019-20 season after a four-month shutdown imposed by the coronavirus pandemic. In alphabetical order:

Noah Croom (former Minnesota Timberwolves executive who has also worked in the league office and as a player agent)

Arne Duncan (former U.S. Secretary of Education in the Barack Obama administration who played pro basketball in Australia after his college career at Harvard)

Nichole Francis Reynolds (attorney and former vice president of U.S. public policy at Mastercard; currently vice president and head of global government relations at business technology company ServiceNow)

Pat Garrity (10-year NBA veteran and former NBPA officer as a player whose post-playing career includes a stint in Detroit’s front office as assistant GM — and whose interview for the post was first reported in May 2020 by Yahoo! Sports’ Chris Haynes)

Mark Termini (longtime attorney and NBA player agent who most recently headed negotiations for Klutch Sports for nearly a decade).

What’s clear is that the next executive director, alongside McCollum, will inherit a rather lengthy (and urgent) to-do list. The league and the union, barring further amendments, unilaterally have just over a year (until Dec. 15, 2022) to decide if they wish to terminate the NBA’s current Collective Bargaining Agreement, which is scheduled to run through the 2023-24 season.

Whether the current deal is brought to an early conclusion in July 2023, or if it runs its course, there are numerous issues to work through in talks on the next agreement beyond the standard negotiations regarding revenue splits and the potential abolition of the one-and-done rule before entering the NBA Draft. Other points of emphasis are sure to include how to handle revenue generated by league’s next television deal, anticipated rises in gambling revenue, potential revisions to league rules governing franchise players and supermax contracts as well as the league’s drug policy, expansion and regulations regarding player rest.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:05 am Post subject:

Dr. Laker wrote:

I don't think that's analogous to the 76ers situation.

Simmons represents a huge amount of their cap space. They can't simply let him walk; they have to take other contracts. If they trade him for much lesser players, they might have less emotional issues, but they are screwed from a talent standpoint.

Much different than an office setting.

And there have been lots of rings won in sports by teams where players were unhappy and didn't like each other. So I don't think the notion of letting talent go to create a harmonious workplace necessarily works in a professional sports setting.

I remember when Hakeem and Kobe each demanded to be traded. Their teams ignored the demands, and they went on to win rings for those teams.

And funny enough our current roster is filled with guys who have at times demanded to be traded -- Carmelo, Howard, AD, Westbrook, Rondo (maybe).

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:06 am Post subject:

Lamar's Bud wrote:

activeverb wrote:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:

Mamba Mentality wrote:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:

The fact that they could've traded Simmons for Harden and refused not to. Wow I bet they wish they can re-do that.

That's for sure. Was that deal really on the table? I thought Fertita refused to do business with Morey after his "retirement" and move to Philly.

Could be. Any of the reports could also be sources spinning stuff for their personal reasons.

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Philly fans pretending they're not gonna miss Ben. You get what you deserve, Philly! Hahahaha. _________________ 💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!!

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