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| LakerSD wrote: | | PayasoLoco wrote: | | luka giving Mavs timeline...... |
That’s the major contribution of Klutch/Lebron. Stars don’t wait around anymore, they put a ton of pressure on their respective franchises to improve or they are out.
All the superstars follow the Lebron template now. |
Only Durant
| JUST-MING wrote: | Which of Lebron’s olympics teammates can we recruit?
Richard Jefferson (2004) — Cleveland
Dwayne Wade (2004,2006,2008) — Miami, Cleveland
Shane Battier (2006) — Miami
Chris Bosh (2006,2008) — Miami
Deron Williams (2007,2008,2012) — Cleveland
Mike Miller (2007) — Miami
Dwight Howard (2007,2008) — Los Angeles
Kevin Love (2012) — Cleveland
Anthony Davis (2012) — Los Angeles
Kevin seems to be doing the same thing  .
Russell Westbrook (2010,2012) — Oklahoma City
Steph Curry (2010) — Golden State
James Harden (2012) — Oklahoma City, Brooklyn
Andre Iguodala (2010,2012) — Golden State
Kyrie Irving (2016) — Brooklyn
Klay Thompson (2016) — Golden State
Draymond Green (2016) — Golden State
Deandre Jordan (2016) — Brooklyn
Demarcus Cousins (2016) — Golden State
Blake Griffin was on the 2012 team, but got hurt in practice |
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Haha. Thanks.
The internal link is ahn fire digital . com.
Lol. I don't trust them, but I'll take it!!! Haha.
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| Any chance Mychal Thompson pushes his son Klay to demand a trade to the Lakers this summer especially if the Curry extension talks fall apart? |
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epic_
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Any chance Mychal Thompson pushes his son Klay to demand a trade to the Lakers this summer especially if the Curry extension talks fall apart? |
Of course. And Dell Curry will push Curry to sign with the Lakers on a vet min the year after.
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LGFan
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| epic_ wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Any chance Mychal Thompson pushes his son Klay to demand a trade to the Lakers this summer especially if the Curry extension talks fall apart? |
Of course. And Dell Curry will push Curry to sign with the Lakers on a vet min the year after. |
and then KD begs to come to the lakers.
Curry
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Please, sweet baby Yesu!
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| Mike D'Antoni will interview Monday for the Portland Trail Blazers' vacant head-coaching position, sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski. |
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| Is Terry Stotts a elite offensive coach? |
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| If Stotts is willing to be a elite assistant coach to Frank Vogel I’m down to have him replace Jason Kidd then if Terry Stotts does good here he can get another coaching opportunity. |
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| bkt4208 wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | bkt4208 wrote: | Bird rights is what is getting missed in all of the DS talk.
It gets reset if Schroder simply signs with another team. His bird rights can go with him if he instead chooses to do a S&T....
Sometimes that is all the incentive one needs |
That doesn't really matter.
If he signs as a free agent, it will at least be a three-year deal, so the whole bird right's matter will become a moot point. |
No, it gets reset until after he has played three years with the team. He is only 27 so of course it matters. Say, the Knick sign him to a 3 year deal and decide to trade him in year 2 (they wouldn't have his bird rights) and then he shines at his new place and wants a raise (they will not be able to pay him that extra because they will not have his bird rights). |
You have this wrong.
If DS signs a three year contract and is traded in year 2, the team to which he is traded also gets those years of service, so they do have his bird rights at the end of the 3 years.
In fact, that's why we have DS bird right's right now. He only played one year for us but we also get credit for the two years he played for OKC. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Any chance Mychal Thompson pushes his son Klay to demand a trade to the Lakers this summer especially if the Curry extension talks fall apart? |
Only Gadget! |
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Inspector Gadget
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| activeverb wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Any chance Mychal Thompson pushes his son Klay to demand a trade to the Lakers this summer especially if the Curry extension talks fall apart? |
Only Gadget! |
It’s good to dream isn’t it?  |
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| activeverb wrote: | | bkt4208 wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | bkt4208 wrote: | Bird rights is what is getting missed in all of the DS talk.
It gets reset if Schroder simply signs with another team. His bird rights can go with him if he instead chooses to do a S&T....
Sometimes that is all the incentive one needs |
That doesn't really matter.
If he signs as a free agent, it will at least be a three-year deal, so the whole bird right's matter will become a moot point. |
No, it gets reset until after he has played three years with the team. He is only 27 so of course it matters. Say, the Knick sign him to a 3 year deal and decide to trade him in year 2 (they wouldn't have his bird rights) and then he shines at his new place and wants a raise (they will not be able to pay him that extra because they will not have his bird rights). |
You have this wrong.
If DS signs a three year contract and is traded in year 2, the team to which he is traded also gets those years of service, so they do have his bird rights at the end of the 3 years.
In fact, that's why we have DS bird right's right now. He only played one year for us but we also get credit for the two years he played for OKC. |
We got him in a trade when he already had his Bird Rights attached.
NY would be first signing him and then trading him without his Bird Rights and no he doesn't magically get the Knicks first two years of service with his new team (one year).
Schroder got his Bird Rights when he signed a 4 year deal with Atlanta (and he played his first 5 full seasons with them). Those rights were traded to OKC who then traded those rights to us (no reset needed).
If Schroder signs with another team he loses his Bird Rights until he PLAYS three seasons with a team again because they get RESET.
The ONLY exception to this is if he is traded in year one of the deal (of 3), which although possible is highly unlikely:
Qualifying Veteran Free Agent Exception (aka the “Bird” Exception): A team may re-sign its own free agent to a contract with a first-year salary of up to the maximum player salary if he played for the team for some or all of each of the prior three consecutive seasons (or, if he changed teams, he did so by trade or by assignment via the NBA’s waiver procedures during the first of the three seasons). |
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My recollection says Popovich liked Kuz.
Kuz+ pick plus salary dump for DD
Schroeder s&t/THT + future picks plus Mckinnie for Steven adams/zo
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activeverb
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Any chance Mychal Thompson pushes his son Klay to demand a trade to the Lakers this summer especially if the Curry extension talks fall apart? |
Only Gadget! |
It’s good to dream isn’t it? |
I expect nothing less! |
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activeverb
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| bkt4208 wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | bkt4208 wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | bkt4208 wrote: | Bird rights is what is getting missed in all of the DS talk.
It gets reset if Schroder simply signs with another team. His bird rights can go with him if he instead chooses to do a S&T....
Sometimes that is all the incentive one needs |
That doesn't really matter.
If he signs as a free agent, it will at least be a three-year deal, so the whole bird right's matter will become a moot point. |
No, it gets reset until after he has played three years with the team. He is only 27 so of course it matters. Say, the Knick sign him to a 3 year deal and decide to trade him in year 2 (they wouldn't have his bird rights) and then he shines at his new place and wants a raise (they will not be able to pay him that extra because they will not have his bird rights). |
You have this wrong.
If DS signs a three year contract and is traded in year 2, the team to which he is traded also gets those years of service, so they do have his bird rights at the end of the 3 years.
In fact, that's why we have DS bird right's right now. He only played one year for us but we also get credit for the two years he played for OKC. |
We got him in a trade when he already had his Bird Rights attached.
NY would be first signing him and then trading him without his Bird Rights and no he doesn't magically get the Knicks first two years of service with his new team (one year).
Schroder got his Bird Rights when he signed a 4 year deal with Atlanta (and he played his first 5 full seasons with them). Those rights were traded to OKC who then traded those rights to us (no reset needed).
If Schroder signs with another team he loses his Bird Rights until he PLAYS three seasons with a team again because they get RESET.
The ONLY exception to this is if he is traded in year one of the deal (of 3), which although possible is highly unlikely:
Qualifying Veteran Free Agent Exception (aka the “Bird” Exception): A team may re-sign its own free agent to a contract with a first-year salary of up to the maximum player salary if he played for the team for some or all of each of the prior three consecutive seasons (or, if he changed teams, he did so by trade or by assignment via the NBA’s waiver procedures during the first of the three seasons). |
Oh, I think you're right.
From DS standpoint, I don't think that matters.
If he signs with the Knicks, for example, I doubt that the prospect of the Knicks trading him in year 2 of a 3 year contract is going to be a big factor in what he does.
I mean, sure, if everything else is 100% equal, he'd rather the team he goes to has his bird rights than doesn't. I don't expect the bird rights thing to influence his ultimate decision -- money, length of contract, and the team will be the big things he cares about.
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LGFan
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| Halflife wrote: | My recollection says Popovich liked Kuz.
Kuz+ pick plus salary dump for DD
Schroeder s&t/THT + future picks plus Mckinnie for Steven adams/zo
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why do we want a guy that doesnt hit any outside shot, doesnt play defense?
i mean the goal should be to create spacing with our signings and not just let other team pack up the paint.
if any Spurs i want to trade Kuzma for is the Dejounte Murray. thats about it |
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epic_
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| Halflife wrote: | My recollection says Popovich liked Kuz.
Kuz+ pick plus salary dump for DD
Schroeder s&t/THT + future picks plus Mckinnie for Steven adams/zo
zo
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Just going with the assumption that this is possible...
I don't think Zo is gonna get another shot at being a lead guard.
I think he'd be great at being the off guard who can make plays.
That being said, I don't think DD would be ideal next to him (although his playmaking seems to have improved), unless we plan on LeBron having to handle and initiate all season.
Also, does Adams get played off the floor these days? Or is he still an impact player?
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| Halflife wrote: | My recollection says Popovich liked Kuz.
Kuz+ pick plus salary dump for DD
Schroeder s&t/THT + future picks plus Mckinnie for Steven adams/zo
zo
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I don't think giving up assets to acquire DD is the right move. |
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| Quote: | | Sources: NBA’s Competition Committee met Monday to further explore rules changes to restrict unnatural motions on jump shots players use to draw fouls. NBA wants to limit players - including stars like Trae Young, James Harden - from leaning backwards and sideways to draw fouls. |
Hallelujah! |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | PayasoLoco wrote: | | luka giving Mavs timeline...... |
That’s the major contribution of Klutch/Lebron. Stars don’t wait around anymore, they put a ton of pressure on their respective franchises to improve or they are out.
All the superstars follow the Lebron template now. |
Nowadays, most stars only commit to teams for two or three years before they have an option of leaving.
As a result, contending teams with a superstar have to have a short-term focus.
I am not sure that other stars publicly pressure their teams to improve to the degree Lebron has, but that pressure is inherently put there by their ability to opt out. |
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| Halflife wrote: | My recollection says Popovich liked Kuz.
Kuz+ pick plus salary dump for DD
Schroeder s&t/THT + future picks plus Mckinnie for Steven adams/zo
zo
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Excellent starting five. we can definitely hit 15% from 3 |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | Quote: | | Sources: NBA’s Competition Committee met Monday to further explore rules changes to restrict unnatural motions on jump shots players use to draw fouls. NBA wants to limit players - including stars like Trae Young, James Harden - from leaning backwards and sideways to draw fouls. |
Hallelujah! |
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| activeverb wrote: | | bkt4208 wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | bkt4208 wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | bkt4208 wrote: | Bird rights is what is getting missed in all of the DS talk.
It gets reset if Schroder simply signs with another team. His bird rights can go with him if he instead chooses to do a S&T....
Sometimes that is all the incentive one needs |
That doesn't really matter.
If he signs as a free agent, it will at least be a three-year deal, so the whole bird right's matter will become a moot point. |
No, it gets reset until after he has played three years with the team. He is only 27 so of course it matters. Say, the Knick sign him to a 3 year deal and decide to trade him in year 2 (they wouldn't have his bird rights) and then he shines at his new place and wants a raise (they will not be able to pay him that extra because they will not have his bird rights). |
You have this wrong.
If DS signs a three year contract and is traded in year 2, the team to which he is traded also gets those years of service, so they do have his bird rights at the end of the 3 years.
In fact, that's why we have DS bird right's right now. He only played one year for us but we also get credit for the two years he played for OKC. |
We got him in a trade when he already had his Bird Rights attached.
NY would be first signing him and then trading him without his Bird Rights and no he doesn't magically get the Knicks first two years of service with his new team (one year).
Schroder got his Bird Rights when he signed a 4 year deal with Atlanta (and he played his first 5 full seasons with them). Those rights were traded to OKC who then traded those rights to us (no reset needed).
If Schroder signs with another team he loses his Bird Rights until he PLAYS three seasons with a team again because they get RESET.
The ONLY exception to this is if he is traded in year one of the deal (of 3), which although possible is highly unlikely:
Qualifying Veteran Free Agent Exception (aka the “Bird” Exception): A team may re-sign its own free agent to a contract with a first-year salary of up to the maximum player salary if he played for the team for some or all of each of the prior three consecutive seasons (or, if he changed teams, he did so by trade or by assignment via the NBA’s waiver procedures during the first of the three seasons). |
Oh, I think you're right.
From DS standpoint, I don't think that matters.
If he signs with the Knicks, for example, I doubt that the prospect of the Knicks trading him in year 2 of a 3 year contract is going to be a big factor in what he does.
I mean, sure, if everything else is 100% equal, he'd rather the team he goes to has his bird rights than doesn't. I don't expect the bird rights thing to influence his ultimate decision -- money, length of contract, and the team will be the big things he cares about. |
Well, to what degree it matters remains to be seen. Perhaps it does, perhaps it doesn't.
What does matter is how much he is going to get paid and only teams under the cap can give him what he wants- it will take a S&T for everyone else as all they can offer is one of the exceptions. I don't even see those teams with cap space lining up to give him 20 million a year with better and/or younger players available who are worth that.
If you can agree on that being unlikely (cap space teams signing him) then Schroder more than likely winds up on a team that is over the cap. They will need his Bird Rights in order to sign him to the money he is wanting.
There might be a half dozen or so teams that even have enough cap space to sign him to that type of contract he is wanting, and that is with a FA class that has DeRozan, Conley and Lowry in it (and Oubre Jr and Oladipo) and maybe 2-3 player option guys who may opt out like Pau, Dinwiddie and/or Powell (I dont expect Kawhi too) as well as a VERY ATTRACTIVE restricted list of free-agents in Collins, Ball, Allen, Robinson, etc. that they can throw offer sheets at. Schroder might not even be in the top 10 of that list (using cap space)
No, there is about a 75-80% chance I would say that DS is headed to a team that is over the cap and will need his Bird rights (sign and trade) in order to get close to the money he is wanting or is remaining with the Lakers....
Hell, because of the expected 2022 class being much better- many cap teams will hold on to their cap space as well rather than spend it- especially on a guy like DS who is far from a MAX type player
That 22 class could have Leonard, Harden and/or Durant, Curry, Beal, Irving possibly and LaVine among others....
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