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anth2000
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19 points in 11 mins = cooked
Lol… |
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lakersfever714
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Every year, the Lebron haters get disappointed again. 
At this rate, he's going to play until he's 50!! 
People just don't want to accept that Lebron isn't normal so aging should also be abnormal with him. |
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BandwagonLBJhopper
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Bron looked good. He always does when healthy.
Question will be can we bottle this guy up and keep him in the same form all the way into May and June. That's a tall order especially because we don't have a ton of depth on the wing other than Reaves. |
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ZeroDark30_
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| CandyCanes wrote: | | Cutheon wrote: | He’s cooked. He’ll still have some LBJ games but he’ll he guy-guy he once was can only really exist for a handful of minutes each game - let alone a few games in a series.
Dark days ahead. |
Why do you think he declined so fast? Was it the Solomon Hill ankle injury? Prior to that, he was playing at an MVP level in the 2020-2021 season. And the season before that, he led us to a championship. |
Huh? Last season offensively was one of his best seasons in years. That was his best regular season as a Laker offensively… |
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2019
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| If by cooked people mean he's not the #1 player in the world and instead is #4-6 (in year TWENTY).... then sure, guy is cooked. |
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ZeroDark30_
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| LeBron is cooked they say after one preseason game |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:38 am Post subject: |
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2 questions
Health
Fatigue
Those are his enemies at this point |
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PenG_
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| 2019 wrote: | | If by cooked people mean he's not the #1 player in the world and instead is #4-6 (in year TWENTY).... then sure, guy is cooked. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| He started at the 4 in this one. No 2 Centers lineup. The Lakers played small. Sure, Lebron is going to get his no matter what, but at this stage of his career when we can get him mismatches at the 4/5 that is when he is going to be able to score with the most ease/comfort. When he is at the 3 with 2 Centers, the spacing is just vastly different, especially when you play good/solid defensive teams. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| LeRejuvenated (every other games) |
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hydrohead
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | He started at the 4 in this one. No 2 Centers lineup. The Lakers played small. Sure, Lebron is going to get his no matter what, but at this stage of his career when we can get him mismatches at the 4/5 that is when he is going to be able to score with the most ease/comfort. When he is at the 3 with 2 Centers, the spacing is just vastly different, especially when you play good/solid defensive teams. |
This. So either have a 5 who can space as well and have AD guard big scoring wings or play him at the 4 and AD at the 5.
I prefer the later with a combo or Reaves and JTA at the 3. Think the lakers can cobble together effective reserve min from Bryant, Jones, Gabriel at the 4/5. They can also put minutes in when AD is out.
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Four Decade Bandwagon
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| 2019 wrote: | | If by cooked people mean he's not the #1 player in the world and instead is #4-6 (in year TWENTY).... then sure, guy is cooked. |
Awesome! Since he is the #6 player in the world we should all alter our expectations. If still so impactful we should not be speculating that this team is play-in quality. We are apparently contenders.
The game to game hyperbole is exhausting. What James is accomplishing at his age is amazing. Still a force to be reckoned with. But can we agree he is not the same James that won Championships?
He will have some dominant moments, he will have some lapses. He will show amazing athleticism on his monster dunks, and he will stand around guarding no one at times.
He is what he is. A GOAT candidate holding on to his last couple years. If you have watched the NBA for decades, you have seen this show multiple times.
How you judge his games or moments in games is based on your own expectations of performance or competitiveness. We can bask in his awesomeness after 20 years or be annoyed by his lapses. It is the same player. We see what reinforces our beliefs.
Same can be stated for many players. As an example, when arguing about WB do you see the athletic drive to the basket or made 3pt or the airballed FT or careless TO.
The only question “should” be is it winning basketball? |
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| ZeroDark30_ wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | Cutheon wrote: | He’s cooked. He’ll still have some LBJ games but he’ll he guy-guy he once was can only really exist for a handful of minutes each game - let alone a few games in a series.
Dark days ahead. |
Why do you think he declined so fast? Was it the Solomon Hill ankle injury? Prior to that, he was playing at an MVP level in the 2020-2021 season. And the season before that, he led us to a championship. |
Huh? Last season offensively was one of his best seasons in years. That was his best regular season as a Laker offensively… |
So he was half good? He wasn’t an above average defender last season and the small nagging injuries now take 3-4 games to heal instead of one. His overall metrics have declined steadily the past few seasons. And I’ve said before, if you rank his top 4-5 seasons none will be as a Laker. But he has cool counting stats so that is what some rely on. He isn’t done but a 6-10 ranking of the top players is accurate.
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vasashi17+
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| epic_ wrote: | It's always best to define words, especially in this day and age when people think they can choose their own meaning of a word.
I always took "cooked" to mean "bad." Meaning if you're saying Lebron is cooked, "he's bad" at basketball.
Some people seem to think "cooked" means a player is no longer at their prime.
How do you guys use "cooked" when describing a basketball player? hahaha. |
🤔 I always thought a person was “Cooked” when this happens…
MUAH
And I already know my interpretation will get these type of responses, so I already provided y’all with a link 😉…
https://gfycat.com/likelybasicjay
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bluehill
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| LeBron is definitely not cooked when it comes to his salary. That extension will help him when he leads his syndicate in bidding for the LV expansion team. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:34 am Post subject: |
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I think with LBJ's age, he will have flashes like last night but then he may miss 5 games afterwards. I remember that Nets game, he went vintage LBJ but then he had knee fluid issues after that (I was so mad as we went to the 76ers game to see him but he was out). I think he missed the next few games after the Warriors one too.
He has to pace himself and take it easy or else he will just miss too many games.
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Four Decade Bandwagon
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | I think with LBJ's age, he will have flashes like last night but then he may miss 5 games afterwards. I remember that Nets game, he went vintage LBJ but then he had knee fluid issues after that (I was so mad as we went to the 76ers game to see him but he was out). I think he missed the next few games after the Warriors one too.
He has to pace himself and take it easy or else he will just miss too many games. |
When did “ take it easy” work it’s way into the job description of an NBA player? Especially one identified as a top 10 player, earning $40m a yr and the focal point of a team.
I do agree with your overall assessment though. Good efforts followed by lingering pain for the next few games.
What he is accomplishing is remarkable. Just not sustainable for a team with competitive aspirations. IMO |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I think with LBJ's age, he will have flashes like last night but then he may miss 5 games afterwards. I remember that Nets game, he went vintage LBJ but then he had knee fluid issues after that (I was so mad as we went to the 76ers game to see him but he was out). I think he missed the next few games after the Warriors one too.
He has to pace himself and take it easy or else he will just miss too many games. |
When did “ take it easy” work it’s way into the job description of an NBA player? Especially one identified as a top 10 player, earning $40m a yr and the focal point of a team.
I do agree with your overall assessment though. Good efforts followed by lingering pain for the next few games.
What he is accomplishing is remarkable. Just not sustainable for a team with competitive aspirations. IMO |
Same thing that happened with Kobe later in his career. We don't need the spectacular dunks and things that will hurt older players. Same for LBJ. He doesn't have to try to play like a 20 year old version of himself.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | Every year, the Lebron haters get disappointed again.
At this rate, he's going to play until he's 50!!
People just don't want to accept that Lebron isn't normal so aging should also be abnormal with him. |
He might actually. He is incredibly fit and knows how to pace himself, maybe guys like Steph and KD retire before him
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Brawn13
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Lebron with fresh legs is still one of the best. Just a matter of managing fatigue and injury |
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danzag
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I think with LBJ's age, he will have flashes like last night but then he may miss 5 games afterwards. I remember that Nets game, he went vintage LBJ but then he had knee fluid issues after that (I was so mad as we went to the 76ers game to see him but he was out). I think he missed the next few games after the Warriors one too.
He has to pace himself and take it easy or else he will just miss too many games. |
When did “ take it easy” work it’s way into the job description of an NBA player? Especially one identified as a top 10 player, earning $40m a yr and the focal point of a team.
I do agree with your overall assessment though. Good efforts followed by lingering pain for the next few games.
What he is accomplishing is remarkable. Just not sustainable for a team with competitive aspirations. IMO |
Same thing that happened with Kobe later in his career. We don't need the spectacular dunks and things that will hurt older players. Same for LBJ. He doesn't have to try to play like a 20 year old version of himself. |
LBJ should definitely not dunk anymore.
Not good for the knees.
From him at his age we need more of an all around game. Like a steady 24/4/4 (which is still a ridiculous stat line) |
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Cutheon
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| Still cooked I say. Laugh now, LeDisappointment is inevitable. |
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PenG_
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| Cutheon wrote: | | Still cooked I say. Laugh now, LeDisappointment is inevitable. |
There's much more confusion than laughter. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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We absolutely must keep LeBron to 32-33 minutes a game in the regular season from now on, along with letting Nunn/Russ/DS and even Reaves push the ball and run the break to preserve LeBron and keep him fresh for the playoffs, if not extend his prime.
It's also one of the 12,705 reasons we need a solid two-way backup 4 so we can get away with lowering LeBron's minutes without sacrificing wins or overall production. |
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