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laker50
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Pelinka is obviously not a good GM but was a great agent.
After Magic set up the championship team Rob is floundering around.
Making changes and rolling the dice
And there is no Buss around to see what is happening. |
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Day
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| laker50 wrote: | Pelinka is obviously not a good GM but was a great agent.
After Magic set up the championship team Rob is floundering around.
Making changes and rolling the dice
And there is no Buss around to see what is happening. |
Magic set up the championship team? Lol |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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Magic set up the championship team? Revisionist history is alive and well.
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| Magic did what? He traded away Zu for nothing, refused to re-sign Brook Lopez. All magic wanted was the resurrection of the old show time era roster. That’s why he drafted a PG who can’t shoot, and discounted the 3 point shooting in his roster building. If it’s up to magic Byron Scott would be the head coach instead of Vogel. |
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Magic deserves credit for bringing in Lebron, but everything else he did was a total disaster. The 2018 team with Beasley, Lance, McGee, Rondo was weird as hell because modern rosters need shooting, and Magic went with the exact opposite of that. It shouldn't come off as a surprise they were one of the worst offensive teams that season. Something similar is taking place this season, though.
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lakersfever714
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Magic didn't get Lebron here. Lebron got Lebron here. I'm almost positive that neither Magic nor Jeanie had anything to do with bringing LAbron to LA.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Magic didn't get Lebron here. Lebron got Lebron here. I'm almost positive that neither Magic nor Jeanie had anything to do with bringing LAbron to LA. |
After seeing Jim blow FA pitches to Dwight, Melo, Aldridge (twice) in consecutive years. I give credit to Magic for getting Bron. And remember. We didn't even have AD yet. We were a bottom dweller team for nearly half a decade.
I could see Jim screwing up that Bron pitch. Bron specifically said partnering up with Magic was part of the reason why he chose us.
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| Day wrote: | | laker50 wrote: | Pelinka is obviously not a good GM but was a great agent.
After Magic set up the championship team Rob is floundering around.
Making changes and rolling the dice
And there is no Buss around to see what is happening. |
Magic set up the championship team? Lol |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Magic didn't get Lebron here. Lebron got Lebron here. I'm almost positive that neither Magic nor Jeanie had anything to do with bringing LAbron to LA. |
+17 If Magic weren't Tragic...he would still be here |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | Magic deserves credit for bringing in Lebron, but everything else he did was a total disaster. The 2018 team with Beasley, Lance, McGee, Rondo was weird as hell because modern rosters need shooting, and Magic went with the exact opposite of that. It shouldn't come off as a surprise they were one of the worst offensive teams that season. Something similar is taking place this season, though. |
Pelinka made those moves |
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | Magic deserves credit for bringing in Lebron, but everything else he did was a total disaster. The 2018 team with Beasley, Lance, McGee, Rondo was weird as hell because modern rosters need shooting, and Magic went with the exact opposite of that. It shouldn't come off as a surprise they were one of the worst offensive teams that season. Something similar is taking place this season, though. |
Pelinka made those moves |
Maybe but I can guarantee you Magic was in the background saying, "now that's a hard-nosed player who plays hard."
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | Magic deserves credit for bringing in Lebron, but everything else he did was a total disaster. The 2018 team with Beasley, Lance, McGee, Rondo was weird as hell because modern rosters need shooting, and Magic went with the exact opposite of that. It shouldn't come off as a surprise they were one of the worst offensive teams that season. Something similar is taking place this season, though. |
Pelinka made those moves |
So, the only thing Magic did during his tenure was to bring Lebron on board, declare victory, hand over the keys to Pelinka, and then go back to his business/life while still drawing a Laker paycheck?
Magic is on record defending the Zubac trade and accepting that the Lopez move as a mistake. We don't know the intricacies of all the interactions between the two of them so I assign the blame (and the credit) to both of them, with a greater share to Magic since he was the boss and the buck stopped with him. |
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If Magic didn't resign, would he still be our GM today? I wonder if Pelinka never resigned, would Jeanie just let him stay on as GM indefinitely? 
Jeanie has better prayed that in the next 10 years, another Lebron caliber player join the team as FA so she could win another championship.
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| Magic was so bad that he tainted Magic the player for me too. Can't stand that guy. Or his buddies B Scott and Rambis. Coop, KAJ and Worthy are the only key ones I still respect. |
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| ThePageDude wrote: | | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | Magic deserves credit for bringing in Lebron, but everything else he did was a total disaster. The 2018 team with Beasley, Lance, McGee, Rondo was weird as hell because modern rosters need shooting, and Magic went with the exact opposite of that. It shouldn't come off as a surprise they were one of the worst offensive teams that season. Something similar is taking place this season, though. |
Pelinka made those moves |
So, the only thing Magic did during his tenure was to bring Lebron on board, declare victory, hand over the keys to Pelinka, and then go back to his business/life while still drawing a Laker paycheck?
Magic is on record defending the Zubac trade and accepting that the Lopez move as a mistake. We don't know the intricacies of all the interactions between the two of them so I assign the blame (and the credit) to both of them, with a greater share to Magic since he was the boss and the buck stopped with him. |
Magic hasn’t drawn a paycheck in years, he resigned in 2019 after being a part time executive. He has had no decision making since then.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | If Magic didn't resign, would he still be our GM today? I wonder if Pelinka never resigned, would Jeanie just let him stay on as GM indefinitely?
Jeanie has better prayed that in the next 10 years, another Lebron caliber player join the team as FA so she could win another championship. |
Magic was never the GM, get your story straight. Pelinka was the GM.
@lakersfever714 do you agree with that statement.
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| strong9 wrote: | | Magic was so bad that he tainted Magic the player for me too. Can't stand that guy. Or his buddies B Scott and Rambis. Coop, KAJ and Worthy are the only key ones I still respect. |
I don’t understand why you hate Magic, please explain yourself. |
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lakersfever714
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| zambia wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | If Magic didn't resign, would he still be our GM today? I wonder if Pelinka never resigned, would Jeanie just let him stay on as GM indefinitely?
Jeanie has better prayed that in the next 10 years, another Lebron caliber player join the team as FA so she could win another championship. |
Magic was never the GM, get your story straight. Pelinka was the GM.
@lakersfever714 do you agree with that statement. |
GM/VP same thing. It's just a title. Basically, Magic was the final decision maker like Pelinka is rn.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | If Magic didn't resign, would he still be our GM today? I wonder if Pelinka never resigned, would Jeanie just let him stay on as GM indefinitely?
Jeanie has better prayed that in the next 10 years, another Lebron caliber player join the team as FA so she could win another championship. |
Or, she could just step aside and let Pelinka do his job. |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Magic didn't get Lebron here. Lebron got Lebron here. I'm almost positive that neither Magic nor Jeanie had anything to do with bringing LAbron to LA. |
I don't think Magic being here was a factor either way for Lebron. He had his own agenda.
That said, I think the only fair to evaluate a GM is by the total moves that occur during his tenure. Otherwise people just end up picking and choosing which moves to count, based on whether they want to depict the GM as being good or bad. |
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| strong9 wrote: | | Magic was so bad that he tainted Magic the player for me too. Can't stand that guy. Or his buddies B Scott and Rambis. Coop, KAJ and Worthy are the only key ones I still respect. |
I've never idolized an athlete as much as I idolized Magic. So I compartmentalize it and think of Magic the player as being a different entity altogether than Magic the exec/basketball-commentator. |
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| ThePageDude wrote: | | strong9 wrote: | | Magic was so bad that he tainted Magic the player for me too. Can't stand that guy. Or his buddies B Scott and Rambis. Coop, KAJ and Worthy are the only key ones I still respect. |
I've never idolized an athlete as much as I idolized Magic. So I compartmentalize it and think of Magic the player as being a different entity altogether than Magic the exec/basketball-commentator. |
You know I heard Magic was very busy with his "other" businesses/investments so he couldn't really dedicate time to his exec position. He perhaps took the job because Jeannie asked him. |
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| Fingers crossed we don't move Austin or the 2029/30 pick by deadline. This is the exact sort of move that would be short sighted. The temptation will be high at this time, jobs are on the line and there's always that "We have AD/Bron, 1 move and 1 run and we can win 18". |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | Fingers crossed we don't move Austin or the 2029/30 pick by deadline. This is the exact sort of move that would be short sighted. The temptation will be high at this time, jobs are on the line and there's always that "We have AD/Bron, 1 move and 1 run and we can win 18". |
Long term Upgrade only, a Giddey, Markannen, Mikal Bridges, similar age guys
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