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venturalakersfan
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | phantasyman wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Atleast we got 1 championship. Amirite? |
That wasn't a championship |
It was the purest title ever won in NBA history. Every team had the same amount of rest, played on the same court throughout the playoffs and no fans or home court advantage to generate momentum.
It was purely which team could straight up ball. And we did it the best that year. |
No they didn’t, some teams never had the opportunity to play after March. It was invitational only.
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | Threads like this or the ones blaming Vogel are missing a critical point.
The direction of the franchise was handed over James/ Klutch the moment he signed the contract. The organization made the marketing coup of the decade when he agreed to be a Laker. He is Lebron F’n James!
He is not just in the conversation of GOAT, he is a cultural icon. The man has influence on and off the court. He wears a Laker uniform under the brightest lights and will likely retire as the all time scoring leader. Adding to the Lakers resume of player lifetime achievements.
They signed James knowing he would have the greatest control over the organization. His world, we just live in it. Lakers got exactly what they wanted, a return to relevance and a ring.
They also got the other side and of the coin. The James/Klutch significant influence on the decisions made by the FO, by Pelinka or Vogel. The trade off is the decline of James as he ages. Or forming the rosters James wants, running the systems he wants, putting in the energy when he wants.
Lakers have to accept the good with bad. The organization knew this. Same as Pelinka and Vogel know it. They know they will be the scapegoats if or when things go wrong. Can’t be James’ fault!
Kind of funny how many fans are seeming to just realize it. |
So are you saying that Lebron James is to blame for the travesty of this season (so far)? |
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The problem with the team so far is poor roster construction. Just as many pointed out before the season began. Who one wants to blame for that is up to them.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Brawn13 wrote: | | phantasyman wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Atleast we got 1 championship. Amirite? |
That wasn't a championship |
It was the purest title ever won in NBA history. Every team had the same amount of rest, played on the same court throughout the playoffs and no fans or home court advantage to generate momentum.
It was purely which team could straight up ball. And we did it the best that year. |
No they didn’t, some teams never had the opportunity to play after March. It was invitational only. |
which team was robbed of a playoff spot? |
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lakersfever714
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Yea big asterisk for that championship. The restart helped the Lakers more because they have superstars who benefited more from the hiatus.
Come to think of it, we might not have won that championship if it weren't for the hiatus. No way Lebron could put up that playoff performance without being so fresh. Lebron is always a beast when he's rested. You could see it in the first few games of this season.
So Rob has one asterisked championship under him.
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| TMG wrote: | | phantasyman wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Atleast we got 1 championship. Amirite? |
That wasn't a championship |
Crazy because i just searched 2020 champs on google and Lakers popped up. Problem some error in the system. |
A lot of people don't consider it a real championship. Not to mention, it seems the Lakers will ever reach that point again, unless some thing changes within this season and management gets better.
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| troy wrote: | The lovely Jeannie Buss doesn't have the balls (literally) to fire Robert Pelinka, so that's not happening.
My issue with Pelinka is what I have been saying repeatedly; that he allowed our NBA Championship team from only 2 seasons ago to be disbanded. I don't know of any NBA Championship team that had that occur except the Lakers, under Rob. If he could not retain key players, he should have signed players of a similar caliber and style. He didn't. Vogel had a vision, and Rob destroyed that vision. And when the (bleep) hits the fan, it will be Vogel that will pay the ultimate price.
And then last season, Robert failed to retain the remaining of our Championship team, and our effective players, many of whom are ow blossoming on other teams that coincidently have better records than the Lakers.
And to put the nail in the coffin, Robert chose (or allowed Lebron to choose) the likes of Russell "Yes I turn the ball over, dammit" Westbrook over the 3 point record breaking Buddy Hield and, especially, Demar Derozan, who wanted to come play for us, badly, and all but begged to play for us, and is how having a MVP season for the Bulls.
Robert Pelinka has destroyed any chance of getting Lebron a 2nd ring as a Laker, and Jeannie Buss just sits back and lets it happen. |
Cuban did it with the 2011 Mavs chasing big-name free agents like Deron Williams and Dwight Howard. Try again. |
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| troy wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | Threads like this or the ones blaming Vogel are missing a critical point.
The direction of the franchise was handed over James/ Klutch the moment he signed the contract. The organization made the marketing coup of the decade when he agreed to be a Laker. He is Lebron F’n James!
He is not just in the conversation of GOAT, he is a cultural icon. The man has influence on and off the court. He wears a Laker uniform under the brightest lights and will likely retire as the all time scoring leader. Adding to the Lakers resume of player lifetime achievements.
They signed James knowing he would have the greatest control over the organization. His world, we just live in it. Lakers got exactly what they wanted, a return to relevance and a ring.
They also got the other side and of the coin. The James/Klutch significant influence on the decisions made by the FO, by Pelinka or Vogel. The trade off is the decline of James as he ages. Or forming the rosters James wants, running the systems he wants, putting in the energy when he wants.
Lakers have to accept the good with bad. The organization knew this. Same as Pelinka and Vogel know it. They know they will be the scapegoats if or when things go wrong. Can’t be James’ fault!
Kind of funny how many fans are seeming to just realize it. |
So are you saying that Lebron James is to blame for the travesty of this season (so far)? |
Blame is an overstatement IMO. The path the Lakers chose leads to this travesty” as you put it. It is a 4 yr journey to get here. Not a couple isolated decisions. Both good and bad.
But did James have significant influence on the direction, roster and decisions to get to this point. Absolutely. |
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Halflife
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| Outspoken wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | phantasyman wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Atleast we got 1 championship. Amirite? |
That wasn't a championship |
Crazy because i just searched 2020 champs on google and Lakers popped up. Problem some error in the system. |
A lot of people don't consider it a real championship. Not to mention, it seems the Lakers will ever reach that point again, unless some thing changes within this season and management gets better. |
who are a lot of people? other fan bases? Because a lot of people don't think the spurs shortened season is real, or the bucks not playing a healthy team. |
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| troy wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | Threads like this or the ones blaming Vogel are missing a critical point.
The direction of the franchise was handed over James/ Klutch the moment he signed the contract. The organization made the marketing coup of the decade when he agreed to be a Laker. He is Lebron F’n James!
He is not just in the conversation of GOAT, he is a cultural icon. The man has influence on and off the court. He wears a Laker uniform under the brightest lights and will likely retire as the all time scoring leader. Adding to the Lakers resume of player lifetime achievements.
They signed James knowing he would have the greatest control over the organization. His world, we just live in it. Lakers got exactly what they wanted, a return to relevance and a ring.
They also got the other side and of the coin. The James/Klutch significant influence on the decisions made by the FO, by Pelinka or Vogel. The trade off is the decline of James as he ages. Or forming the rosters James wants, running the systems he wants, putting in the energy when he wants.
Lakers have to accept the good with bad. The organization knew this. Same as Pelinka and Vogel know it. They know they will be the scapegoats if or when things go wrong. Can’t be James’ fault!
Kind of funny how many fans are seeming to just realize it. |
So are you saying that Lebron James is to blame for the travesty of this season (so far)? |
It seems people say don't blame the management, blame the workers. |
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| Halflife wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | phantasyman wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Atleast we got 1 championship. Amirite? |
That wasn't a championship |
Crazy because i just searched 2020 champs on google and Lakers popped up. Problem some error in the system. |
A lot of people don't consider it a real championship. Not to mention, it seems the Lakers will ever reach that point again, unless some thing changes within this season and management gets better. |
who are a lot of people? other fan bases? Because a lot of people don't think the spurs shortened season is real, or the bucks not playing a healthy team. |
Of course this fan base would, but other fan bases, media, spectators. There was no parade, no real ceremony, or celebration of it. No fans in attendance to see it. It kinda just came and went.
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | phantasyman wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Atleast we got 1 championship. Amirite? |
That wasn't a championship |
Crazy because i just searched 2020 champs on google and Lakers popped up. Problem some error in the system. |
A lot of people don't consider it a real championship. Not to mention, it seems the Lakers will ever reach that point again, unless some thing changes within this season and management gets better. |
who are a lot of people? other fan bases? Because a lot of people don't think the spurs shortened season is real, or the bucks not playing a healthy team. |
Of course this fan base would, but other fan bases, media, spectators. There was no parade, no real ceremony, or celebration of it. It kinda just came and went. |
right but it was a championship. and a year removed nobody is talking bubble anymore. |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | phantasyman wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Atleast we got 1 championship. Amirite? |
That wasn't a championship |
Crazy because i just searched 2020 champs on google and Lakers popped up. Problem some error in the system. |
A lot of people don't consider it a real championship. Not to mention, it seems the Lakers will ever reach that point again, unless some thing changes within this season and management gets better. |
I don't see any asterisk talk on reddit anymore, in large part because of the following playoffs and the injuries involved. |
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Knowing Jeanie, she's probably gonna keep Rob around for at least a few more years so Laker fans are going to suffer watching a bad product on the court. I see very dark years ahead.
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | troy wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | Threads like this or the ones blaming Vogel are missing a critical point.
The direction of the franchise was handed over James/ Klutch the moment he signed the contract. The organization made the marketing coup of the decade when he agreed to be a Laker. He is Lebron F’n James!
He is not just in the conversation of GOAT, he is a cultural icon. The man has influence on and off the court. He wears a Laker uniform under the brightest lights and will likely retire as the all time scoring leader. Adding to the Lakers resume of player lifetime achievements.
They signed James knowing he would have the greatest control over the organization. His world, we just live in it. Lakers got exactly what they wanted, a return to relevance and a ring.
They also got the other side and of the coin. The James/Klutch significant influence on the decisions made by the FO, by Pelinka or Vogel. The trade off is the decline of James as he ages. Or forming the rosters James wants, running the systems he wants, putting in the energy when he wants.
Lakers have to accept the good with bad. The organization knew this. Same as Pelinka and Vogel know it. They know they will be the scapegoats if or when things go wrong. Can’t be James’ fault!
Kind of funny how many fans are seeming to just realize it. |
So are you saying that Lebron James is to blame for the travesty of this season (so far)? |
Blame is an overstatement IMO. The path the Lakers chose leads to this travesty” as you put it. It is a 4 yr journey to get here. Not a couple isolated decisions. Both good and bad.
But did James have significant influence on the direction, roster and decisions to get to this point. Absolutely. |
Agree with a lot of what you said.
LeBron the basketball player is at the top of his profession. Jordan/Lebron are the best to ever do it, although I’m bias and put Kobe in that mt. Rushmore too. Kobe did whatever it took.
LeGM is the reason why LeBron doesn’t have more than 4 rings. |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | phantasyman wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Atleast we got 1 championship. Amirite? |
That wasn't a championship |
Crazy because i just searched 2020 champs on google and Lakers popped up. Problem some error in the system. |
A lot of people don't consider it a real championship. |
Eh. Pick any championship that was won in NBA history, and you can find people who will be happy to tell you it wasn't a "real" championship for this reason or that.
Mostly, that's just code for "I don't like the team that won."
As time passes, the whines and complaints evaporate, and no one cares.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Knowing Jeanie, she's probably gonna keep Rob around for at least a few more years so Laker fans are going to suffer watching a bad product on the court. I see very dark years ahead. |
i still prefer Rob over the Rambii, if Rambiis are in full charge, Lakers would move back to the Forum, byron scott be the new coach and hire gary vitti back. |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | troy wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | Threads like this or the ones blaming Vogel are missing a critical point.
The direction of the franchise was handed over James/ Klutch the moment he signed the contract. The organization made the marketing coup of the decade when he agreed to be a Laker. He is Lebron F’n James!
He is not just in the conversation of GOAT, he is a cultural icon. The man has influence on and off the court. He wears a Laker uniform under the brightest lights and will likely retire as the all time scoring leader. Adding to the Lakers resume of player lifetime achievements.
They signed James knowing he would have the greatest control over the organization. His world, we just live in it. Lakers got exactly what they wanted, a return to relevance and a ring.
They also got the other side and of the coin. The James/Klutch significant influence on the decisions made by the FO, by Pelinka or Vogel. The trade off is the decline of James as he ages. Or forming the rosters James wants, running the systems he wants, putting in the energy when he wants.
Lakers have to accept the good with bad. The organization knew this. Same as Pelinka and Vogel know it. They know they will be the scapegoats if or when things go wrong. Can’t be James’ fault!
Kind of funny how many fans are seeming to just realize it. |
So are you saying that Lebron James is to blame for the travesty of this season (so far)? |
It seems people say don't blame the management, blame the workers. |
Interesting opinion. So you think of James as just another worker bee?
No influence on decisions made by the Lakers over his tenure? |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | troy wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | Threads like this or the ones blaming Vogel are missing a critical point.
The direction of the franchise was handed over James/ Klutch the moment he signed the contract. The organization made the marketing coup of the decade when he agreed to be a Laker. He is Lebron F’n James!
He is not just in the conversation of GOAT, he is a cultural icon. The man has influence on and off the court. He wears a Laker uniform under the brightest lights and will likely retire as the all time scoring leader. Adding to the Lakers resume of player lifetime achievements.
They signed James knowing he would have the greatest control over the organization. His world, we just live in it. Lakers got exactly what they wanted, a return to relevance and a ring.
They also got the other side and of the coin. The James/Klutch significant influence on the decisions made by the FO, by Pelinka or Vogel. The trade off is the decline of James as he ages. Or forming the rosters James wants, running the systems he wants, putting in the energy when he wants.
Lakers have to accept the good with bad. The organization knew this. Same as Pelinka and Vogel know it. They know they will be the scapegoats if or when things go wrong. Can’t be James’ fault!
Kind of funny how many fans are seeming to just realize it. |
So are you saying that Lebron James is to blame for the travesty of this season (so far)? |
Blame is an overstatement IMO. The path the Lakers chose leads to this travesty” as you put it. It is a 4 yr journey to get here. Not a couple isolated decisions. Both good and bad.
But did James have significant influence on the direction, roster and decisions to get to this point. Absolutely. |
So, if Lebron James has "significant influence" on the direction of the roster and the decisions as to who stays and leaves, and it turns out that the roster isn't good enough to make it to the finals, can we then attribute this failure to Lebron James?
Can we also connect the massive turnover of Laker players the past 2 seasons to Lebron James's "influence"? |
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| troy wrote: | The lovely Jeannie Buss doesn't have the balls (literally) to fire Robert Pelinka, so that's not happening.
My issue with Pelinka is what I have been saying repeatedly; that he allowed our NBA Championship team from only 2 seasons ago to be disbanded. I don't know of any NBA Championship team that had that occur except the Lakers, under Rob. If he could not retain key players, he should have signed players of a similar caliber and style. He didn't. Vogel had a vision, and Rob destroyed that vision. And when the (bleep) hits the fan, it will be Vogel that will pay the ultimate price.
And then last season, Robert failed to retain the remaining of our Championship team, and our effective players, many of whom are ow blossoming on other teams that coincidently have better records than the Lakers.
And to put the nail in the coffin, Robert chose (or allowed Lebron to choose) the likes of Russell "Yes I turn the ball over, dammit" Westbrook over the 3 point record breaking Buddy Hield and, especially, Demar Derozan, who wanted to come play for us, badly, and all but begged to play for us, and is how having a MVP season for the Bulls.
Robert Pelinka has destroyed any chance of getting Lebron a 2nd ring as a Laker, and Jeannie Buss just sits back and lets it happen. |
Then it would admit that she did some thing wrong. In the midst of her so called "firing" Jim (which she didn't because he has stake in the company), it would not look good on her behalf. Magic was a disaster, Rob gets fired. Then possibly the coach. It screams a level of incompetence.
Jeanie stays out of it because she admitted that she knows absolutely nothing about the basketball side of things. I feel the problem is, we didn't put the best in position for the Lakers to excel. We operate like a mom and pops shop and they hire their friends. Not necessarily people that are gonna do the best in the position they are given, because they don't have the skills nor experience. I don't mind hiring your driven friends, but atleast get a mentor for them to elevate them.
So the very top mismanaged and it trickled down to the bottom. It's like if you have a weak alpha, you have a weak pack. |
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| troy wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | troy wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | Threads like this or the ones blaming Vogel are missing a critical point.
The direction of the franchise was handed over James/ Klutch the moment he signed the contract. The organization made the marketing coup of the decade when he agreed to be a Laker. He is Lebron F’n James!
He is not just in the conversation of GOAT, he is a cultural icon. The man has influence on and off the court. He wears a Laker uniform under the brightest lights and will likely retire as the all time scoring leader. Adding to the Lakers resume of player lifetime achievements.
They signed James knowing he would have the greatest control over the organization. His world, we just live in it. Lakers got exactly what they wanted, a return to relevance and a ring.
They also got the other side and of the coin. The James/Klutch significant influence on the decisions made by the FO, by Pelinka or Vogel. The trade off is the decline of James as he ages. Or forming the rosters James wants, running the systems he wants, putting in the energy when he wants.
Lakers have to accept the good with bad. The organization knew this. Same as Pelinka and Vogel know it. They know they will be the scapegoats if or when things go wrong. Can’t be James’ fault!
Kind of funny how many fans are seeming to just realize it. |
So are you saying that Lebron James is to blame for the travesty of this season (so far)? |
Blame is an overstatement IMO. The path the Lakers chose leads to this travesty” as you put it. It is a 4 yr journey to get here. Not a couple isolated decisions. Both good and bad.
But did James have significant influence on the direction, roster and decisions to get to this point. Absolutely. |
So, if Lebron James has "significant influence" on the direction of the roster and the decisions as to who stays and leaves, and it turns out that the roster isn't good enough to make it to the finals, can we then attribute this failure to Lebron James?
Can we also connect the massive turnover of Laker players the past 2 seasons to Lebron James's "influence"? |
influence is the keyword. and most star players on every franchise have it.
We are still judging a team that is not fully healthy. I know its an excuse but its reality. |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | troy wrote: | The lovely Jeannie Buss doesn't have the balls (literally) to fire Robert Pelinka, so that's not happening.
My issue with Pelinka is what I have been saying repeatedly; that he allowed our NBA Championship team from only 2 seasons ago to be disbanded. I don't know of any NBA Championship team that had that occur except the Lakers, under Rob. If he could not retain key players, he should have signed players of a similar caliber and style. He didn't. Vogel had a vision, and Rob destroyed that vision. And when the (bleep) hits the fan, it will be Vogel that will pay the ultimate price.
And then last season, Robert failed to retain the remaining of our Championship team, and our effective players, many of whom are ow blossoming on other teams that coincidently have better records than the Lakers.
And to put the nail in the coffin, Robert chose (or allowed Lebron to choose) the likes of Russell "Yes I turn the ball over, dammit" Westbrook over the 3 point record breaking Buddy Hield and, especially, Demar Derozan, who wanted to come play for us, badly, and all but begged to play for us, and is how having a MVP season for the Bulls.
Robert Pelinka has destroyed any chance of getting Lebron a 2nd ring as a Laker, and Jeannie Buss just sits back and lets it happen. |
Then it would admit that she did some thing wrong. In the midst of her so called "firing" Jim (which she didn't because he has stake in the company), it would not look good on her behalf. Magic was a disaster, Rob gets fired. Then possibly the coach. It screams a level of incompetence.
Jeanie stays out of it because she admitted that she knows absolutely nothing about the basketball side of things. I feel the problem is, we didn't put the best in position for the Lakers to excel. We operate like a mom and pops shop and they hire their friends. Not necessarily people that are gonna do the best in the position they are given, because they don't have the skills nor experience. I don't mind hiring your driven friends, but atleast get a mentor for them to elevate them.
So the very top mismanaged and it trickled down to the bottom. It's like if you have a weak alpha, you have a weak pack. |
Would you agree that Lebron James has majority influence as to what Jeannie signs off on? Not "some" influence, I mean majority influence (eg more influence than Rob and Vogel)? |
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| activeverb wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | phantasyman wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Atleast we got 1 championship. Amirite? |
That wasn't a championship |
Crazy because i just searched 2020 champs on google and Lakers popped up. Problem some error in the system. |
A lot of people don't consider it a real championship. |
Eh. Pick any championship that was won in NBA history, and you can find people who will be happy to tell you it wasn't a "real" championship for this reason or that.
Mostly, that's just code for "I don't like the team that won."
As time passes, the whines and complaints evaporate, and no one cares. |
This was different than other championships. Nobody in attendance to see it, no real celebration, no parade...... the ratings were extremely down in viewership. The championship just came and went. Name me a championship in the past or 20 years when that happened?
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| LakerSD wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | troy wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | Threads like this or the ones blaming Vogel are missing a critical point.
The direction of the franchise was handed over James/ Klutch the moment he signed the contract. The organization made the marketing coup of the decade when he agreed to be a Laker. He is Lebron F’n James!
He is not just in the conversation of GOAT, he is a cultural icon. The man has influence on and off the court. He wears a Laker uniform under the brightest lights and will likely retire as the all time scoring leader. Adding to the Lakers resume of player lifetime achievements.
They signed James knowing he would have the greatest control over the organization. His world, we just live in it. Lakers got exactly what they wanted, a return to relevance and a ring.
They also got the other side and of the coin. The James/Klutch significant influence on the decisions made by the FO, by Pelinka or Vogel. The trade off is the decline of James as he ages. Or forming the rosters James wants, running the systems he wants, putting in the energy when he wants.
Lakers have to accept the good with bad. The organization knew this. Same as Pelinka and Vogel know it. They know they will be the scapegoats if or when things go wrong. Can’t be James’ fault!
Kind of funny how many fans are seeming to just realize it. |
So are you saying that Lebron James is to blame for the travesty of this season (so far)? |
Blame is an overstatement IMO. The path the Lakers chose leads to this travesty” as you put it. It is a 4 yr journey to get here. Not a couple isolated decisions. Both good and bad.
But did James have significant influence on the direction, roster and decisions to get to this point. Absolutely. |
Agree with a lot of what you said.
LeBron the basketball player is at the top of his profession. Jordan/Lebron are the best to ever do it, although I’m bias and put Kobe in that mt. Rushmore too. Kobe did whatever it took.
LeGM is the reason why LeBron doesn’t have more than 4 rings. |
I disagree. He's been on contenders most of his career, it's just that he's also had his share of misfortune. LeGM didn't remove Love and Kyrie from the 2015 playoffs, nor did he injure AD last year or send KD to the 73 win Warriors. That 2017 Cavs team was probably the most talented team of his career, but it didn't really matter in the end. |
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vasashi17+
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:15 am Post subject: |
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But does anybody have a reason as to why Klutch is looking out for Jeanie’s/ownership’s bank accounts?
Why are they interested in having the Lakers pay a minimal tax this season? Bron has always been about wanting more help for himself…well that takes spending, so why did LeGM cap spending after the Russ trade? Why did he create a roster where he’s the only lengthy mobile wing defender? Why would he do that to himself to face the DeMars and Georges and Butlers of the league? You’d think he would spend to bring in more wing help along with more playmaking assistance.
Also consider we're not repeat tax offenders paying a more punitive tax rate…and we have a forecast of a potential cap smoothing/spiking occurrence where any future taxes won’t be as large of a hit and/or may take us out of repeater tax territory. Not to mention, the owners could modify the tax rates by opting out of the current CBA next December so that by summer 2023 a new CBA is implemented.
Forget LeGM…it appears he’s already LeOwner.
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