OFFICIAL ROB PELINKA THREAD.

[jonnybravo]

[phantasyman]

FIRE PELINKA NOW

[mad55557777]

[2019]

[LGFan]

[Outspoken]

Atleast we got 1 championship. Amirite?

[lakersfever714]

[phantasyman]

[TMG]

[sogood.]

[SocalDevin]

[laker4life]

It was terrible tonight.

I was at the game and had a view of where Pelinka usually sit.

During the second and third quarter, I watch him looking up at the scoreboard as DeRozen went off.

Once Lonzo started to heat up in the fourth quarter, it was over.

The Bulls are tough.

Lakers are not put together well.

Surprisingly, look at the Wizards. They are doing well. I think that the signing of Westbrook is going to be a huge mistake.

[Brawn13]

[danzag]

[PenG_]

[governator]

[troy]

The lovely Jeannie Buss doesn't have the balls (literally) to fire Robert Pelinka, so that's not happening.

My issue with Pelinka is what I have been saying repeatedly; that he allowed our NBA Championship team from only 2 seasons ago to be disbanded. I don't know of any NBA Championship team that had that occur except the Lakers, under Rob. If he could not retain key players, he should have signed players of a similar caliber and style. He didn't. Vogel had a vision, and Rob destroyed that vision. And when the (bleep) hits the fan, it will be Vogel that will pay the ultimate price.

And then last season, Robert failed to retain the remaining of our Championship team, and our effective players, many of whom are ow blossoming on other teams that coincidently have better records than the Lakers.

And to put the nail in the coffin, Robert chose (or allowed Lebron to choose) the likes of Russell "Yes I turn the ball over, dammit" Westbrook over the 3 point record breaking Buddy Hield and, especially, Demar Derozan, who wanted to come play for us, badly, and all but begged to play for us, and is how having a MVP season for the Bulls.

Robert Pelinka has destroyed any chance of getting Lebron a 2nd ring as a Laker, and Jeannie Buss just sits back and lets it happen.

[carjoch831]

It's on Jeannie too for being cheap on a championship window. I just hope Rob has the balls to fix this mess (trading Russ).

[Four Decade Bandwagon]

Threads like this or the ones blaming Vogel are missing a critical point.

The direction of the franchise was handed over James/ Klutch the moment he signed the contract. The organization made the marketing coup of the decade when he agreed to be a Laker. He is Lebron F’n James!

He is not just in the conversation of GOAT, he is a cultural icon. The man has influence on and off the court. He wears a Laker uniform under the brightest lights and will likely retire as the all time scoring leader. Adding to the Lakers resume of player lifetime achievements.

They signed James knowing he would have the greatest control over the organization. His world, we just live in it. Lakers got exactly what they wanted, a return to relevance and a ring.

They also got the other side and of the coin. The James/Klutch significant influence on the decisions made by the FO, by Pelinka or Vogel. The trade off is the decline of James as he ages. Or forming the rosters James wants, running the systems he wants, putting in the energy when he wants.

Lakers have to accept the good with bad. The organization knew this. Same as Pelinka and Vogel know it. They know they will be the scapegoats if or when things go wrong. Can’t be James’ fault!

Kind of funny how many fans are seeming to just realize it.

[cital]

They won't blow up the team (even though they should) because they can't really get any assets for their players, so they are better off just keeping it together for this season and next, and just hope things get better (even though they won't). Then it is rebuild time...

We won't win a championship period, but if our guys can stay healthy (especially LeBron), we are a playoff team. We just don't do the things we need to do to win at a high level... Defense/Rebounding/Limit Turnovers. Not to mention we still aren't a good shooting team, but if those other things were in place, I feel we could overcome that...

[LAKERMIKE2]

[2019]

[wolfpaclaker]

You do not luck into a championship. Any championship requires some degree of luck. Look at the Bucks, they were benefiting from injuries as well. They're still a team that put around enough talent around Giannis to win, and were well coached enough.

When you traded for AD, already having Bron, you give yourself a shot at a ring each year. That's not "luck". That's positioning. The "luck" part for us that we had immense health in the bubble, and AD/Bron peaked together at the same time. At any point if this happens again, we once again would be favorites and run through the entire league. We also hired the right coach at the time for what the team could do - defend around AD/Bron and play roles. That is Vogel's strengths.

However since then, we have not had a significant period (like say a month) where we have had BOTH AD and Bron like that. Bron began last season strong, but AD was worn out and not recovered from the bubble run. Then when AD got better in the playoffs, Bron was injury recovering from the ankle. Again, AD gets hurt. This season, much the same. AD looks strong again, his PER and numbers are similar to 19-20, but Bron has missed 60% of the season already.

The Westbrook move to me was to help with that. Not to be so reliant on 2 guys to peak. And we still don't know what will happen in the playoffs or close to, as we've never had a period where all 3 play together (to me a period of significance, is say a month to 6 weeks). That said, the WB move looks bad if measured today. As well, Vogel has never coached a team with the sort of talent this Laker team has. Historically, his best teams in Indiana or LA were with a lot of Caruso, George Hill, etc types. We kind of eliminated those players for him, and he's left to figure this out. Whether he can or not remains to be seen, but I will give him time.

[vasashi17+]

[Four Decade Bandwagon]