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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:47 am    Post subject:

We are supposed to be equal, under the law, but Trump has been more equal than most others.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:11 am    Post subject:

Since this is a civil case, they only have to prove Trump's guilt by a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. Plus case will be in NYC and he is hated in his old home town because they have known what a disgusting crook he is for longer than the nation at large.

The crimes are all on paper. He and his criminal kids signed all the documents. Over and over, for years on end. There is no, "Well it was really the coffee boy and we had nothing to do with it" excuse.

It will take a while before this goes to court but I don't see him escaping this one. And his ability to acquire capital from banks will dry up starting now.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:14 am    Post subject:

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NY AG James @NewYorkStateAG

Today, I filed a lawsuit against Donald Trump for engaging in years of financial fraud to enrich himself, his family, and the Trump Organization.

There aren't two sets of laws for people in this nation: former presidents must be held to the same standards as everyday Americans.

Actions have consequences. We're seeking to:

➡️Make Trump pay $250 million.

➡️Ban the Trumps from running NY businesses for good.

➡️Ban Trump and Trump Org from buying commercial real estate in NY for 5 yrs.

➡️We're making a criminal referral to the U.S. Dept of Justice.

With the help of Donald Jr., Eric, Ivanka, and other defendants, Trump variously unlawfully inflated and deflated his net worth by billions to obtain and satisfy loans, get insurance benefits, and pay lower taxes.

In short, he lied to gain massive financial benefits for himself.

We found that Trump, his family, and the Trump Org used fraudulent and misleading asset valuations over 200 times in 10 years on his annual financial statements.

These statements were then used to obtain hundreds of millions of dollars in loans and insurance coverage.

Trump's crimes are not victimless.

When the well-connected and powerful break the law to get more money than they are entitled to, it reduces resources available to working people, small businesses, and taxpayers.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:22 am    Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:
Presumed Republican 2024 nominee is currently under investigation or being sued for:

-Bank fraud
-Tax fraud
-Insurance fraud
-Inciting an insurrection
-Theft of classified documents
-Espionage
-Illegal election interference (Georgia)
-Fake electors scheme to steal the election
-Various civil suits involving sexual harassment, E. Jean Carroll defamation suit, Capitol police lawsuit, Mary Trump monetary fraud,

And that's after he was forced to end fraudulent Trump University and Trump Charity and pay massive civil fines.

Really, Republicans? This is who you worship? In the immortal words of Cher, "SNAP OUT OF IT!"


They don't want to, because his corruption and criminality are actually favored traits of convenience to them.

(I know I'm not saying anything you don't already know, just emphasizing how repugnant they are)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:42 am    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Presumed Republican 2024 nominee is currently under investigation or being sued for:

-Bank fraud
-Tax fraud
-Insurance fraud
-Inciting an insurrection
-Theft of classified documents
-Espionage
-Illegal election interference (Georgia)
-Fake electors scheme to steal the election
-Various civil suits involving sexual harassment, E. Jean Carroll defamation suit, Capitol police lawsuit, Mary Trump monetary fraud,

And that's after he was forced to end fraudulent Trump University and Trump Charity and pay massive civil fines.

Really, Republicans? This is who you worship? In the immortal words of Cher, "SNAP OUT OF IT!"


They don't want to, because his corruption and criminality are actually favored traits of convenience to them.

(I know I'm not saying anything you don't already know, just emphasizing how repugnant they are)


It's worth reminding people. They know, and they approve. Remember that when you try and rationalize that your republican friends are decent people. They may be polite people, and act decently in public or toward you, but decent people don't support this.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:03 am    Post subject:

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In civil litigation, invoking the 5th amendment plays out differently than in criminal cases. Trump can’t now say “ok, I’ll testify.” He and Eric waived that. And the jury will be told of their invocation, and the judge will instruct the jury they can draw an “adverse inference.”


Trump invoked the 5th more than 400 times in his deposition.

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This is in my wheelhouse -financial fraud. Written about it for decades. What
@NewYorkStateAG is describing aren’t some convoluted, never before seen allegations. These are pretty much standard financial fraud. And if she’s got the goods and witnesses, this isn’t tough to prove.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:10 am    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Presumed Republican 2024 nominee is currently under investigation or being sued for:

-Bank fraud
-Tax fraud
-Insurance fraud
-Inciting an insurrection
-Theft of classified documents
-Espionage
-Illegal election interference (Georgia)
-Fake electors scheme to steal the election
-Various civil suits involving sexual harassment, E. Jean Carroll defamation suit, Capitol police lawsuit, Mary Trump monetary fraud,

And that's after he was forced to end fraudulent Trump University and Trump Charity and pay massive civil fines.

Really, Republicans? This is who you worship? In the immortal words of Cher, "SNAP OUT OF IT!"


They don't want to, because his corruption and criminality are actually favored traits of convenience to them.

(I know I'm not saying anything you don't already know, just emphasizing how repugnant they are)


It's worth reminding people. They know, and they approve. Remember that when you try and rationalize that your republican friends are decent people. They may be polite people, and act decently in public or toward you, but decent people don't support this.


But, but, but we're supposed to have empathy for the people who vote to hurt women, people of color, immigrants, gays and the survival of our actual Democracy.

Just imagine if Obama or Clinton was credibly accused of that laundry list above. OMG, it would be 24/7 howling outrage from Fox News and Republican politicians until the end of time. They would be constructing a gallows and calling for public execution.

And I quite intentionally point it out from time to time for the various right-wingers who I'm sure lurk this thread in stealth mode.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:09 am    Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:
But, but, but we're supposed to have empathy for the people who vote to hurt women, people of color, immigrants, gays and the survival of our actual Democracy.


Human crap votes for other human crap.

GOP votes for GOP.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:09 pm    Post subject:

CNN

(Analysis: Donald Trump's poll numbers are making things very awkward for Republicans)

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Recent polls show that voters' views of Donald Trump are about as low as they were when he left office. In today’s episode of The Point, CNN’s Chris Cillizza explains why the former President's standing is serving as an anchor for Republican candidates in the midterm elections.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:32 pm    Post subject:

11th Circuit rules in favor of DOJ.

Not a good day for Trump's judge in Florida.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:57 pm    Post subject:

Bad day for Trump.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:07 pm    Post subject:

Wilt wrote:
11th Circuit rules in favor of DOJ.

Not a good day for Trump's judge in Florida.


32 wrote:
Bad day for Trump.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:11 pm    Post subject:

FernieBee wrote:
Wilt wrote:
11th Circuit rules in favor of DOJ.

Not a good day for Trump's judge in Florida.


32 wrote:
Bad day for Trump.




Now we wait to see if it means good days ahead for the US of A.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:11 pm    Post subject:

MSNBC

(Double Charges?: Trump Facing Two 'Criminal Referrals' In Explosion Of 2022 NY Probe)

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New York’s Attorney General Letitia James files a $250 million lawsuit against Trump, his children, and others in an alleged massive fraud case. In the 220 page filing, James reveals more than 200 alleged acts of fraud at Trump Org. and alleges Trump “personally” ran the fraud. James also referred Trump for possible criminal prosecution by the IRS and the DOJ. MSNBC’s chief legal correspondent, Ari Melber, reports on the lawsuit upending Trump Org. and the new developments in this exhaustive investigation.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:16 pm    Post subject:

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(Mehdi: U.S. Voting Systems Only Serve The GOP Minority. It's Time to Fix That | The Mehdi Hasan Show)

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There’s a common thread weaving America’s outdated voting systems together: They tend to protect the Republican minority. A new method, ranked-choice voting, may be a better way to reflect what a majority of voters want — but is it the right course of action? Democratic strategist Zac Petkanas and Cannon Center senior fellow Damon Linker debate with Mehdi.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:24 pm    Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:
Since this is a civil case, they only have to prove Trump's guilt by a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. Plus case will be in NYC and he is hated in his old home town because they have known what a disgusting crook he is for longer than the nation at large.

The crimes are all on paper. He and his criminal kids signed all the documents. Over and over, for years on end. There is no, "Well it was really the coffee boy and we had nothing to do with it" excuse.

It will take a while before this goes to court but I don't see him escaping this one. And his ability to acquire capital from banks will dry up starting now.

Finding Trump guilty on those charges would be great, but the problem is he now lives in South Florida, and knowing how he functions, he could very well start crooked businesses elsewhere. He may not escape this civil case, but overall he'll probably find a way to "escape" in general and come out unscathed.

Doesn't he already have businesses in other states, like in Jersey?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:27 pm    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Presumed Republican 2024 nominee is currently under investigation or being sued for:

-Bank fraud
-Tax fraud
-Insurance fraud
-Inciting an insurrection
-Theft of classified documents
-Espionage
-Illegal election interference (Georgia)
-Fake electors scheme to steal the election
-Various civil suits involving sexual harassment, E. Jean Carroll defamation suit, Capitol police lawsuit, Mary Trump monetary fraud,

And that's after he was forced to end fraudulent Trump University and Trump Charity and pay massive civil fines.

Really, Republicans? This is who you worship? In the immortal words of Cher, "SNAP OUT OF IT!"


They don't want to, because his corruption and criminality are actually favored traits of convenience to them.

(I know I'm not saying anything you don't already know, just emphasizing how repugnant they are)


It's worth reminding people. They know, and they approve. Remember that when you try and rationalize that your republican friends are decent people. They may be polite people, and act decently in public or toward you, but decent people don't support this.

The "decent" people who vote Republican probably think all these charges are BS and nothing more than a witchhunt. It's all part of the Trump cult where none of his followers ever think he has done anything wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:13 am    Post subject:

slavavov wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Since this is a civil case, they only have to prove Trump's guilt by a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. Plus case will be in NYC and he is hated in his old home town because they have known what a disgusting crook he is for longer than the nation at large.

The crimes are all on paper. He and his criminal kids signed all the documents. Over and over, for years on end. There is no, "Well it was really the coffee boy and we had nothing to do with it" excuse.

It will take a while before this goes to court but I don't see him escaping this one. And his ability to acquire capital from banks will dry up starting now.

Finding Trump guilty on those charges would be great, but the problem is he now lives in South Florida, and knowing how he functions, he could very well start crooked businesses elsewhere. He may not escape this civil case, but overall he'll probably find a way to "escape" in general and come out unscathed.

Doesn't he already have businesses in other states, like in Jersey?


The AG put in provisions to cut off some of these exits.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:01 am    Post subject:

Unfortunately, his political campaigns opened up broad avenues of new revenue.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:03 am    Post subject:

slavavov wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Presumed Republican 2024 nominee is currently under investigation or being sued for:

-Bank fraud
-Tax fraud
-Insurance fraud
-Inciting an insurrection
-Theft of classified documents
-Espionage
-Illegal election interference (Georgia)
-Fake electors scheme to steal the election
-Various civil suits involving sexual harassment, E. Jean Carroll defamation suit, Capitol police lawsuit, Mary Trump monetary fraud,

And that's after he was forced to end fraudulent Trump University and Trump Charity and pay massive civil fines.

Really, Republicans? This is who you worship? In the immortal words of Cher, "SNAP OUT OF IT!"


They don't want to, because his corruption and criminality are actually favored traits of convenience to them.

(I know I'm not saying anything you don't already know, just emphasizing how repugnant they are)


It's worth reminding people. They know, and they approve. Remember that when you try and rationalize that your republican friends are decent people. They may be polite people, and act decently in public or toward you, but decent people don't support this.

The "decent" people who vote Republican probably think all these charges are BS and nothing more than a witchhunt. It's all part of the Trump cult where none of his followers ever think he has done anything wrong.


Nah, 14% of people polled said both that he was a threat to democracy and that they’d vote for him. They know he’s done wrong. It’s a feature not a bug. Getting away with it is the desire of every inner five year old.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:44 am    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
Unfortunately, his political campaigns opened up broad avenues of new revenue.


Providing he doesn't violate campaign finance rules. lol. Theoretically you can't take money raised for political purposes and just transfer it to your personal bank account. Of course he launders the money through his various businesses -- that's actually their primary function. Mar a Lago rents "banquet space" to his political action committee and he overcharges them by 3,000% to divert funds to his pocket. It's the same shell game he always plays -- that has now gotten him in trouble. And this time it's not clear he could grift enough money from his rubes to cover everything he stands to lose if NY AG wins the case.

But, yeah, He's a con man. Always has been, always will be.
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Trump throwing in a nickname for Tish James that rhymes w/ an epithet to boot. Must be coincidental coming from the least racist person anyone has ever heard of. Only the guy on the Meidas Touch YT chan has noticed that one thus far.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:28 am    Post subject:

slavavov wrote:

The "decent" people who vote Republican probably think all these charges are BS and nothing more than a witchhunt. It's all part of the Trump cult where none of his followers ever think he has done anything wrong.


Get em in a private cigar room and they all know he's a criminal. They do the same kinds of things, tho, which colors their perception of the law enforcement apparatus as thugs (because they find the thought of being investigated themselves for white collary stuff to be unpleasant).

Otoh, your average well-scrubbed hustling MAGA rubes w/ their good bags and their cheap shoes trying desperately to shed their pure West Virginia accents believe he's being persecuted because he's trying to save the children. The average MAGA Jim Bob wears Evyan skin creme and sometimes he wears L'Air du Temps...but not today.
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Trump throwing in a nickname for Tish James that rhymes w/ an epithet to boot. Must be coincidental coming from the least racist person anyone has ever heard of. Only the guy on the Meidas Touch YT chan has noticed that one thus far.


Trump calls the NY attorney general 'Letitia 'Peekaboo' James' and revives claims that she's 'racist' after she sued him for fraud

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:12 am    Post subject:

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In a Fox News interview, Former President Donald Trump claimed the declassification of documents can happen “by thinking about it.” National security attorney Bradley Moss discusses why this is inaccurate.
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