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| FernieBee wrote: | These hit-and-run/propaganda/right-wing/no link posts are for dumbasses.
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That's all people like 24Legend007 have. If they had substance, they wouldn't hit and run with bogus "gotcha!"s.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | FernieBee wrote: | These hit-and-run/propaganda/right-wing/no link posts are for dumbasses.
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That's all people like 24Legend007 have. If they had substance, they wouldn't hit and run with bogus "gotcha!"s. |
Nor are hit & runs allowed. They fall under the categorization of trolling.
24Legend007 -- You need to remain to engage on this topic. Failure to do so will be a strike for trolling. Depending on your past history, failure to do so will either result in suspension or a ban. You have until Friday. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | 24Legend007 wrote: | | I just wanted to point out Psaki bold faced lied about only big banks care about the $600 transaction oversight. The only people this affects is small business. Bezos, Musk, and Gates are not making huge transactions on cash apps. Lmfao, if your're going to lie at least put some effort into it. |
I really don't know to what it is you are referencing. Please provide a link. |
He's repeating a right-wing talking point about a new proposed tax policy.
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Well that's interesting.
There is a phenomenon prevalent with individuals in right wing Facebook echo chambers. They think if they are saying something nobody else is. It's simply because the globalist, corrupt media aren't covering it.
In reality, most of the time, people have researched the narrative and found it untrue. Sooo... it doesn't make headlines.
There are no high up liberal elites successfully paying off journalists at every major media outlet.
On top of that, every reporter with a speck of ambition would love to break news everyone else isn't talking about. IF it is objectively true. That's how Pulitzer's are won. Book deals are made. And fame and $ are obtained. The incentives for mass media coverups, in reality, aren't there in the way tinfoil facebook conspiracy theorists believe.
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| FernieBee wrote: | These hit-and-run/propaganda/right-wing/no link posts are for dumbasses.
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Btw, how would reporting annually transactions on all accounts that either have 600 in them or had more than 600 in transactions hurt any individual or business big or small unless there were owed and unpaid taxes on those transactions?
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| Omar Little wrote: | | FernieBee wrote: | These hit-and-run/propaganda/right-wing/no link posts are for dumbasses.
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Btw, how would reporting annually transactions on all accounts that either have 600 in them or had more than 600 in transactions hurt any individual or business big or small unless there were owed and unpaid taxes on those transactions? |
And if someone wants to be taken seriously when accusing someone of lying, providing the exact quote is a necessity.
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| Quote: | Capitol riot: Lawmakers vote to hold Steve Bannon in contempt
5 hours ago
US lawmakers investigating the 6 January Capitol riot have supported holding a top aide of ex-President Donald Trump in contempt of Congress.
Steve Bannon, a right-wing media executive who became Mr Trump's chief strategist, was summoned to testify before the panel, but refused to do so.
Lawyers for Mr Bannon argued that communications involving the former president are protected.
If convicted, he could face a fine and up to one year in prison.
"It appears that Mr Bannon had substantial advanced knowledge of the plans for January 6, and likely had an important role in formulating those plans," congresswoman Liz Cheney, a Wyoming Republican and vice-chair of the committee probing the riot said in her opening statement.
Subpoena documents quote Mr Bannon as saying on his radio show the day before the riot "all hell is going to break loose tomorrow".
But Mr Trump has urged his former aides to reject any requests to testify, claiming they have the right to withhold information because of executive privilege - a legal principle that protects many White House communications.
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Democrats argue that Mr Bannon is stalling to push back proceedings until after the midterm elections in November 2022, which may alter the balance of power in the House, which is the lower chamber of Congress.
Contempt of Congress cases are notoriously difficult to litigate - the last time such a prosecution took place was in 1983 against a Reagan administration official.
Before leaving office in January, Mr Trump pardoned Mr Bannon of charges that he had defrauded donors who gave money to fund construction of a southern border wall. |
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| Quote: | After public feuds between moderate and progressive Democrats cast doubt on a path forward toward agreement on the infrastructure and Build Back Better agenda, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer expressed optimism Tuesday that the dust has settled in his ranks, paving the way to a compromise. Lisa Desjardins and Yamiche Alcindor join Judy Woodruff with more.
Judy Woodruff:
To bring us up to speed on all these developments, I'm joined by Lisa Desjardins, who is at the Capitol, and Yamiche Alcindor, who is at the White House.
So, hello. Good evening to both of you.
Lisa, let me start with you.
We heard the majority leader, Senator Schumer, use the word agreement. What are you hearing?
Lisa Desjardins:
There's all kinds of work ahead still for Democrats, but, Judy, this was a significant day for them.
Let me explain what we learned today quickly. We learned from House progressives, including Pramila Jayapal speaking at the White House, that the president is now pushing for a very specific number for this bill, about $1.9 trillion to $2.2 trillion.
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Yamiche Alcindor:
Well, the president really is spending much of his time trying to get Democrats, Democratic lawmakers on the same page.
It's something he's been trying to do for weeks. But today was significant, in the fact that he met with both Senator Sinema, as well as Senator Manchin, as well as a group of House progressives, as well as a House — a group of House moderates.
Now, here, the president is saying essentially to all of the members of his party, we need to get together, we need to close this out. |
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| Quote: | School administrator's compassionless comments on Holocaust invalidate pain of generations
There is no 'opposing' perspective. Learning about the Holocaust cultivates an appropriate outrage at wrongs.
Fern Schumer Chapman
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Children of Holocaust survivors and refugees felt a knife twist in their backs on learning that Gina Peddy, a school administrator with the Carroll Independent School District in Southlake, Texas, recently advised teachers that they are now required to provide students books with “opposing ... perspectives” when discussing the Holocaust.
The school district soon backtracked, but it’s too late. The compassionless, clueless comments of this bureaucrat challenged the veracity of the lived experiences of the second generation. She invalidated what we have seen with our own eyes, known in our yearning hearts and felt throughout our homes and communities all over America.
Our Holocaust parents’ pain was palpable. Like a second pulse, their sorrows beat within all of us. To replace and rebuild some of what they had lost, survivors and refugees relied on us – their memorial children – sometimes going so far as to name us after relatives murdered by Nazis.
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The Nazi genocide of the Jewish people is the most thoroughly documented mass murder in human history. The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum has an enormous amount of material available, free of charge, to educators, students and the public. Thousands of nonfiction books and memoirs in dozens of languages have been written on this topic.
Yet somehow, a school administrator in Texas has managed to speak as if she's unaware of this abundance of information. Perhaps she is intimidated by citizens who want to undermine Holocaust education. These statements amount to sanctioning anti-Jewish bigotry, just as critics of education about slavery or the eradication of Indigenous peoples cloak their racism in demands for “fairness.” |
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Blackmail and taking the American public and the climate hostage. What a guy.
David Korn, Mother Jones -- SCOOP: Manchin Tells Associates He’s Considering Leaving the Democratic Party and Has an Exit Plan
| Quote: | In recent days, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) has told associates that he is considering leaving the Democratic Party if President Joe Biden and Democrats on Capitol Hill do not agree to his demand to cut the size of the social infrastructure bill from $3.5 trillion to $1.75 trillion, according to people who have heard Manchin discuss this. Manchin has said that if this were to happen, he would declare himself an “American Independent.” And he has devised a detailed exit strategy for his departure.
Manchin has been in the center of a wild rush of negotiations with his fellow Democrats and the White House over a possible compromise regarding Biden’s ambitious Build Back Better package, and Manchin’s opposition to key provisions—including Medicare and Medicaid expansion, an expanded child tax credit, and measures to address climate change—has been an obstacle that the Democrats have yet to overcome. As these talks have proceeded, Manchin has discussed bolting from the Democratic Party—perhaps to place pressure on Biden and Democrats in these negotiations.
He told associates that he has a two-step plan for exiting the party. First, he would send a letter to Sen. Chuck Schumer, the top Senate Democrat, removing himself from the Democratic leadership of the Senate. (He is vice chairman of the Senate Democrats’ policy and communications committee.) Manchin hopes that would send a signal. He would then wait and see if that move had any impact on the negotiations. After about a week, he said, he would change his voter registration from Democrat to independent. |
| Quote: | | It is unclear whether in this scenario Manchin would end up caucusing with the Democrats, which would allow them to continue to control the Senate, or side with the Republicans and place the Senate in GOP hands. In either event, he would hold great sway over this half of Congress. |
| Quote: | | Manchin told associates that he was prepared to initiate his exit plan earlier this week and had mentioned the possibility to Biden. But he was encouraged by the conversations with Sanders and top Democrats that occurred at the start of the week and did not yet see a reason to take this step. Still, he has informed associates that because he is so out of sync with the Democratic Party he believes it is likely he will leave the party by November 2022. |
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Basically the Democrats have to scale back their plan to conform to Manchin's demands so they can at least pass SOMETHING they can run on in 2022 midterms. Then try to hold the House win enough Senate seats to make Manchin and Sinema irrelevant so they can pass the rest off their agenda later down the line.
They have a very small needle they need to thread.
And that's if we still have a Democracy left by then and Republicans haven't gerrymandered and legalized undemocratic voting structures to cement their permanent rule from the minority. |
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Manchin is obviously upset his "secret" got leaked:
| Quote: | Tara Golshan @taragolshan
“I have no control over the rumors” - @Sen_JoeManchin comments on the Mother Jones story that he has floated leaving the Democratic Party |
| Quote: | David Corn @DavidCornDC
For some reason, his press secretary decided not to tell me that prior to publication.
| Quote: | Nathaniel Reed @ReedReports
NEW: Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV): “This is (bleep)”
@mkraju: “the story’s (bleep)?”
Manchin: “(bleep)” |
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The (bleeped) word is "bull****" |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | Manchin is obviously upset his "secret" got leaked:
[snipage]
The (bleeped) word is "bull****" |
I believe (or maybe hope) Manchin is socially liberal (fiscally conservative) but far apart from the cult of Trumpism and the tactics of McConnell. Had the Republican Party remained a party, not bat-poop crazy and not overwhelmed with wingnut conspiracies (you know, just the normal liars and hypocrites of the past), he might leave the Democratic Party.
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If he leaves the Dem Party and even becomes a Republican, he will become irrelevant. The only reason he has power is because he is a Democrat and the party has a razor thin majority.
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| ribeye wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | Manchin is obviously upset his "secret" got leaked:
[snipage]
The (bleeped) word is "bull****" |
I believe (or maybe hope) Manchin is socially liberal (fiscally conservative) but far apart from the cult of Trumpism and the tactics of McConnell. Had the Republican Party remained a party, not bat-poop crazy and not overwhelmed with wingnut conspiracies (you know, just the normal liars and hypocrites of the past), he might leave the Democratic Party. |
Maybe, or maybe not:
| Quote: | | He also reminded Biden that he has vowed not to support any package unless it contains the Hyde Amendment, which bans the use of federal funds to pay for abortions, except in cases of incest or when the life of the mother is at risk. |
(from that Mother Jones piece) |
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I didn’t think I could hate Joe Manchin more than I already did, but here we are. What an (bleep). It’s amazing how two (bleep) like him and Sinema can basically torpedo the entire party agenda and then act like everyone else is the (bleep). Well as the great Rylan Givens said in Justified:
You run into an (bleep) in the morning, you ran into an (bleep). You run into (bleep) all day, you're the (bleep). |
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How strong/solid is a political system that can be dismantled by obvious lies? Is the elephant in the room (racism) being ignored? We are at a point in our history that may be the beginning of the end of democracy. What's so exasperating is my inability to do anything. I am totally frustrated and nervous as hell.
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The people in power, behind the scenes, refuse to loosen their white-knuckled grip on the democracy that is supposed to be for all of us.
Only in Amerikkka!
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Just a reminder that there are no "moderate" or even "conservative" Republicans in Congress. They are all authoritarian fascists now:
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Senate Republicans have voted unanimously to block Democrats' Freedom to Vote Act. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | Manchin is obviously upset his "secret" got leaked:
| Quote: | Tara Golshan @taragolshan
“I have no control over the rumors” - @Sen_JoeManchin comments on the Mother Jones story that he has floated leaving the Democratic Party |
| Quote: | David Corn @DavidCornDC
For some reason, his press secretary decided not to tell me that prior to publication.
| Quote: | Nathaniel Reed @ReedReports
NEW: Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV): “This is (bleep)”
@mkraju: “the story’s (bleep)?”
Manchin: “(bleep)” |
twitter.com/davidcorndc/st… |
The (bleeped) word is "bull****" |
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The Democrats could just fund the hell out of a new candidate next time to go up against him. He's pretty much an independent now. Why open the door to some serious opposition by doing that? |
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It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The Democrats could just fund the hell out of a new candidate next time to go up against him. He's pretty much an independent now. Why open the door to some serious opposition by doing that? |
Maybe it's just a blackmail tactic he has no intention of following through on. Which might be why he wanted to make the threat in private and not have it become public. That would make sense. |
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Anybody ask Traitor Joe what he's going to do with the all that money he took in from the Planet Killing Industry..
Traitor Joe, can you tell us why your bank account is more important than a whole planet?
I like the name Traitor Joe for this creep
Really embarrassing to the world that all the Republican scum vote yes for more global warming and then two (bleep) from the Democrats also vote to kill the rest of the world for their one (bleep) bank account.
I hope they become so hated in America there is nowhere to feel comfortable spending their Blood Money
Traitor Joe and Kristen "MAGA Barbie" Sinema |
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| 24Legend007 wrote: | | I just wanted to point out Psaki bold faced lied about only big banks care about the $600 transaction oversight. The only people this affects is small business. Bezos, Musk, and Gates are not making huge transactions on cash apps. Lmfao, if your're going to lie at least put some effort into it. |
Washington Post: Democrats want to crack down on tax cheats. Republicans balk.
| Quote: | The parties are starkly divided on the Democrats’ plans to boost social programs and climate initiatives, including on how to pay for the new spending. But one thing to which Republicans should not object is cracking down on tax cheats. The more the government collects from those who already owe it money, the less it will have to raise in new levies on honest taxpayers.
Unfortunately, Republicans and bank lobbyists have instead attacked a key piece of Democrats’ plans to enable the IRS to cut the “tax gap” — that is, the difference between what the government is owed and what it collects. If they defeat the plan, the winners would be lawbreakers who benefit from the government services for which everyone else pays their share.
Senior Democrats want to better track the flow of money, enabling IRS officials to compare how much income people say they made against how much money went into their bank accounts in a given year. Large discrepancies might indicate tax evasion. At the least, anomalous-seeming numbers would warrant an extra look. This sort of information might not lead to more audits, but it would result in better-targeted ones.
The Democrats’ plan originally called for requiring reports on accounts into which or out of which $600 flowed in a given year. Critics charged that Democrats sought to spy on everyday Americans’ small-time transactions. So the Democrats announced Tuesday that the new reporting requirements would apply only to accounts that see $10,000 of inflows or outflows in a given year, and they excluded wage income from the calculation. These amendments underscore that the plan is not meant to target ordinary workers.
In fact, the IRS already collects detailed information on wage earners’ paychecks, while Americans who rely on other types of income — such as many wealthy Americans — have far less information about their cash flow routinely reported. The new requirements would put all types of income on a more equal footing in terms of the government’s ability to track it, shedding more light on opaque sources of income among those who do not earn paychecks. |
I know you won't return to reply -- even though Larry gave you a warning. But I'm posting this for others and for the lurkers. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | DancingBarry wrote: |
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The Democrats could just fund the hell out of a new candidate next time to go up against him. He's pretty much an independent now. Why open the door to some serious opposition by doing that? |
Maybe it's just a blackmail tactic he has no intention of following through on. Which might be why he wanted to make the threat in private and not have it become public. That would make sense. |
He doesn’t fear a democrat because his voter base crosses party lines (they vote GOP mostly in every other race), and he’s reasonably popular. He wanted that to leak because he’s looking for leverage while being able to deny that he’s doing it and without having to make the threat directly. He’s a pretty conservative guy, with Union protection being his real reason for being a democrat. He’s also pro choice to the extent that he doesn’t want to overturn Roe, but he also doesn’t want any government funding.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | DancingBarry wrote: |
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The Democrats could just fund the hell out of a new candidate next time to go up against him. He's pretty much an independent now. Why open the door to some serious opposition by doing that? |
Maybe it's just a blackmail tactic he has no intention of following through on. Which might be why he wanted to make the threat in private and not have it become public. That would make sense. |
He doesn’t fear a democrat because his voter base crosses party lines (they vote GOP mostly in every other race), and he’s reasonably popular. He wanted that to leak because he’s looking for leverage while being able to deny that he’s doing it and without having to make the threat directly. He’s a pretty conservative guy, with Union protection being his real reason for being a democrat. He’s also pro choice to the extent that he doesn’t want to overturn Roe, but he also doesn’t want any government funding. |
Yep. If it were any other Democrat in that state, they would lose handily to a Republican, any Republican, pick a Republican. He happens to come from a family tradition of politics in the state so he's basically been grandfathered in as a Democrat that West Virginians will still back because he's "not too far to the left." He is well aware of the power he holds, because if the Democrats tried to primary him, they'd lose the seat. Now, with Sinema, a different Democrat could quite possibly win her seat, so she isn't in as strong of a position. |
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Are the people of WV really still this backwards.. this much in denial?
The money from the coal industry and others... America lets politicians call that campaign donations, not bribes even though it is obvious??
Considering America is the cause of a disproportionate amount of Environmental Destruction and waste maybe a group from the UN should be formed to stop us from destroying the planet.. |
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