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Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:00 am Post subject:
VP Harris is an outstanding orator. Her delivery made her points believable. She laid the blame for the attack on women's rights at the feet of Trump. I haven't seen much of her. I was impressed.
Vice President Harris speaks on abortion rights in wake of Arizona Supreme Court ruling
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Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:31 pm Post subject:
US involvement is causing anxiety. I'm feeling stressed. Our ships and air force are a part of Israel's defense. How far will they go? Seems we're being dragged deeper and deeper into the conflict.
Live updates: Iran’s retaliatory attack on Israel has begun
Israel’s defense minister has warned that “a direct Iranian attack will require an appropriate Israeli response against Iran.”
LINK _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:57 pm Post subject:
jodeke wrote:
US involvement is causing anxiety. I'm feeling stressed. Our ships and air force are a part of Israel's defense. How far will they go? Seems we're being dragged deeper and deeper into the conflict.
Live updates: Iran’s retaliatory attack on Israel has begun
Israel’s defense minister has warned that “a direct Iranian attack will require an appropriate Israeli response against Iran.”
This is called being an ally. We should remember this with regard to Ukraine too, who we talked into giving up the third largest nuclear inventory for promises of security. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 12:00 am Post subject:
I wonder what all those pro-Palestinian cuckoos think about Iran's attack on Israel and how we have helped Israel defend itself from the evil Iranians. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
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Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 5:36 am Post subject:
slavavov wrote:
I wonder what all those pro-Palestinian cuckoos think about Iran's attack on Israel and how we have helped Israel defend itself from the evil Iranians.
I guess it depends what you mean by pro-Palestinian cuckoos. I'm assuming you don't think Nancy Pelosi, AOC, and Bernie Sanders and all the people against genocide are cuckoos.
I'm pretty vocal in this thread on calling out Israel and Netanyahu. But I'm happy we are helping Israel defend itself against Iran.
At the same time. This doesn't change any of the math for me when it comes to what Israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank. So I'm for supporting Israel's defensive capabilities only. But not giving them resources to continue what they are doing in Gaza or the West Bank.
Keep in mind. 1) This conflict with Iran is what Bibi wants and 2) it's a direct response to Israel bombing an embassy. For obvious reasons, you don't bomb embassies. That a dangerous, dangerous precedent to set.
Also, can't help but wonder how things would be different if Trump didn't tear up the deal Obama worked out with Iran. The deal Netanyahu hated so much (for obvious reasons). _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
So just to be clear, the entire Republican party, even the so-called "moderates," are all-in on a criminal, lying, traitorous, dangerous, violent dictator wannabe for president as long as there's an R next to the name. From this week's ABC Sunday show:
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Aaron Rupar @atrupar
STEPHANOPOULOS: Just to sum up. You support Trump for president even if he's convicted in the classified documents case. You support him for president even though you believe he contributed to an insurrection. You support him for president even though you believe he's lying about the last election. You support him for president even if he's convicted in the Manhattan case. I just want to say, the answer to that is yes, correct?
SUNUNU: Yeah. Me and 51 percent of America.
S: Governor, thanks for your time this morning.
Not if 51% of white women remember that Trump made them second-class citizens and the rest of the Republican party wants to roll back their rights to the 1800's before they could vote and 10-year old child brides were legal.
I hate these mother (bleep).
Also, Trump has never been able to get to 50% ever. Not in any poll or vote in the general election. His goal is not to increase his support, which maxes out at about 46%, his goal is to shave off Democratic votes from Biden to bring him down just enough to let the electoral college win it for him. That's why his rich billionaire friends funded RFK Jr and all the other third-party candidates, a la Jill Stein 2016 strategy.
BUT, if Democrats all vote and vote as a block, Trump cannot win. That's why Trump and Republicans work so hard to cheat, lie and steal. That's the only way the can win.
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Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:36 am Post subject:
History in the making. The first criminal trial of a former U.S. President begins Monday. (Tomorrow) _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
History in the making. The first criminal trial of a former U.S. President begins Monday. (Tomorrow)
I would like to get excited but this guy gets out of everything, legal wise.
Plus, what is the worst outcome if he loses? A small fine?
It's a criminal trial. Cohen already served jail time and he will be testifying. Not saying he won't escape jail time somehow, but that is an option for this crime. It's election interference (not "just" paying a porn star and hiding it, including fraudulent bookkeeping).
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Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 10:07 am Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
jodeke wrote:
History in the making. The first criminal trial of a former U.S. President begins Monday. (Tomorrow)
I would like to get excited but this guy gets out of everything, legal wise.
Plus, what is the worst outcome if he loses? A small fine?
It's a criminal trial. Cohen already served jail time and he will be testifying. Not saying he won't escape jail time somehow, but that is an option for this crime. It's election interference (not "just" paying a porn star and hiding it, including fraudulent bookkeeping).
I am hoping you are right. Surprised it’s actually happening.
Is this the Georgia trial? The “finding” votes trial? Or is it the hush money trial? I am not on top of it.
Regardless, I hope and pray that this can stop the man from being elected president. We are doomed if he wins.
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Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 11:06 am Post subject:
anth2000 wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
jodeke wrote:
History in the making. The first criminal trial of a former U.S. President begins Monday. (Tomorrow)
I would like to get excited but this guy gets out of everything, legal wise.
Plus, what is the worst outcome if he loses? A small fine?
It's a criminal trial. Cohen already served jail time and he will be testifying. Not saying he won't escape jail time somehow, but that is an option for this crime. It's election interference (not "just" paying a porn star and hiding it, including fraudulent bookkeeping).
I am hoping you are right. Surprised it’s actually happening.
Is this the Georgia trial? The “finding” votes trial? Or is it the hush money trial? I am not on top of it.
Regardless, I hope and pray that this can stop the man from being elected president. We are doomed if he wins.
Hush money. I don't think a fine is an option. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 11:29 am Post subject:
jodeke wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
jodeke wrote:
History in the making. The first criminal trial of a former U.S. President begins Monday. (Tomorrow)
I would like to get excited but this guy gets out of everything, legal wise.
Plus, what is the worst outcome if he loses? A small fine?
It's a criminal trial. Cohen already served jail time and he will be testifying. Not saying he won't escape jail time somehow, but that is an option for this crime. It's election interference (not "just" paying a porn star and hiding it, including fraudulent bookkeeping).
I am hoping you are right. Surprised it’s actually happening.
Is this the Georgia trial? The “finding” votes trial? Or is it the hush money trial? I am not on top of it.
Regardless, I hope and pray that this can stop the man from being elected president. We are doomed if he wins.
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Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 11:41 am Post subject:
anth2000 wrote:
jodeke wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
jodeke wrote:
History in the making. The first criminal trial of a former U.S. President begins Monday. (Tomorrow)
I would like to get excited but this guy gets out of everything, legal wise.
Plus, what is the worst outcome if he loses? A small fine?
It's a criminal trial. Cohen already served jail time and he will be testifying. Not saying he won't escape jail time somehow, but that is an option for this crime. It's election interference (not "just" paying a porn star and hiding it, including fraudulent bookkeeping).
I am hoping you are right. Surprised it’s actually happening.
Is this the Georgia trial? The “finding” votes trial? Or is it the hush money trial? I am not on top of it.
Regardless, I hope and pray that this can stop the man from being elected president. We are doomed if he wins.
Hush money. I don't think a fine is an option.
Do you think this trial goes on for months?
If the defense has it's way there'll be another delay _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
History in the making. The first criminal trial of a former U.S. President begins Monday. (Tomorrow)
I would like to get excited but this guy gets out of everything, legal wise.
Plus, what is the worst outcome if he loses? A small fine?
It's a criminal trial. Cohen already served jail time and he will be testifying. Not saying he won't escape jail time somehow, but that is an option for this crime. It's election interference (not "just" paying a porn star and hiding it, including fraudulent bookkeeping).
I am hoping you are right. Surprised it’s actually happening.
Is this the Georgia trial? The “finding” votes trial? Or is it the hush money trial? I am not on top of it.
Regardless, I hope and pray that this can stop the man from being elected president. We are doomed if he wins.
Hush money. I don't think a fine is an option.
Do you think this trial goes on for months?
Jury selection starts Monday. I don't think there are enough witnesses to drag the trial out beyond a couple of months.
What is Trump charged with?
Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg charged Trump with 34 counts of first-degree falsifying business records, a low-level felony. Trump faces a maximum of four years behind bars if he’s convicted.
What is the prosecution alleging?
Prosecutors allege Trump “repeatedly and fraudulently falsified New York business records to conceal criminal conduct that hid damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election.”
At the heart of the case are allegations of various sex scandals that prosecutors say Trump tried to suppress with the help of his lawyer Michael Cohen and top executives in charge of the National Enquirer. In the final days of the election, Cohen paid $130,000 to one of the women, adult film star Stormy Daniels, to keep silent about her claim she'd had a sexual encounter with Trump in 2006. Trump has denied the allegation.
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Who will testify for the prosecution?
Cohen, who says Trump directed him to make the payment to Daniels, is expected to be a key witness, as is Daniels. Trump's attorneys sought to bar both from testifying, but Judge Juan Merchan gave both the green light to take the stand. Daniels' former attorney Keith Davidson is likely to testify about his negotiations over the payment, a source with direct knowledge of the situation said.
Also expected to testify is Karen McDougal, a former Playboy model who said she had an affair with Trump, a claim he denies. She received money from the Enquirer to keep quiet about her allegations in what prosecutors said was part of a "catch and kill" scheme designed to keep a lid on potential Trump scandals.
David Pecker, a Trump ally who was the CEO of Enquirer publisher AMI at the time, is also expected to be called, the source said. Dylan Howard, another former AMI executive involved in the discussions with Trump and Cohen, may also testify.
Former White House communications director Hope Hicks — who prosecutors have said was involved in phone calls among Trump, Cohen and AMI — and former Trump assistant Madeleine Westerhout are also likely to take the stand, the source said.
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Will Trump have to be in court every day?
Unlike the New York civil fraud and E. Jean Carroll defamation trials, the DA's case is criminal, so Trump is required to be in court every day to participate in his defense. The trial is off on Wednesdays, but Trump will have to be in court for the four other days of the court week. The trial days are expected to last from 9:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.
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Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 9:01 pm Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
slavavov wrote:
I wonder what all those pro-Palestinian cuckoos think about Iran's attack on Israel and how we have helped Israel defend itself from the evil Iranians.
I guess it depends what you mean by pro-Palestinian cuckoos. I'm assuming you don't think Nancy Pelosi, AOC, and Bernie Sanders and all the people against genocide are cuckoos.
No, that's not what I mean by cuckoos. People like Pelosi, AOC and Bernie Sanders are very reasonable in being against genocide, and I'm also against genocide on both sides.
I'm talking about all the non-politicians who have suddenly been obsessed with the Palestinians ever since Oct. 7 and refuse to call out Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran when any of them kill or otherwise harm innocent Jews.
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I'm pretty vocal in this thread on calling out Israel and Netanyahu. But I'm happy we are helping Israel defend itself against Iran.
At the same time. This doesn't change any of the math for me when it comes to what Israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank. So I'm for supporting Israel's defensive capabilities only. But not giving them resources to continue what they are doing in Gaza or the West Bank.
I'm totally with you on that.
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Keep in mind. 1) This conflict with Iran is what Bibi wants and 2) it's a direct response to Israel bombing an embassy. For obvious reasons, you don't bomb embassies. That a dangerous, dangerous precedent to set.
Also, can't help but wonder how things would be different if Trump didn't tear up the deal Obama worked out with Iran. The deal Netanyahu hated so much (for obvious reasons).
Yeah it's very dangerous when one wants war with an S-hole country like Iran that wants to destroy you and kill all Jews.
That deal we had with Iran was flawed, but at least it would've kept Iran at bay for a while. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:23 am Post subject:
Omar Little wrote:
jodeke wrote:
US involvement is causing anxiety. I'm feeling stressed. Our ships and air force are a part of Israel's defense. How far will they go? Seems we're being dragged deeper and deeper into the conflict.
Live updates: Iran’s retaliatory attack on Israel has begun
Israel’s defense minister has warned that “a direct Iranian attack will require an appropriate Israeli response against Iran.”
This is called being an ally. We should remember this with regard to Ukraine too, who we talked into giving up the third largest nuclear inventory for promises of security.
I'm not well versed on our relationship with Israel. I think its strategic reasons are about location. Israel is a bastion of democracy in the region. Strategically its defense is a must. I wouldn't say I like how Netanyahu is using the US. Biden is caught between a rock and a hard place. He's asking Benji to change course to one that will cause less harm to innocent civilians. Benji is ignoring him. President Biden is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
So, the talk is now about debates. If I were part of Biden's team, I'd strongly advocate for strict rules to mitigate Trump's propensity to interrupt, and to go on and on. Ideally, I'd advocate for moderators with the ability to cut off the mikes (and a desire to act) would be ideal. If Trump doesn't agree, then no debates. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:30 am Post subject:
ribeye wrote:
So, the talk is now about debates. If I were part of Biden's team, I'd strongly advocate for strict rules to mitigate Trump's propensity to interrupt, and to go on and on. Ideally, I'd advocate for moderators with the ability to cut off the mikes (and a desire to act) would be ideal. If Trump doesn't agree, then no debates.
Those rules are already in place. Racheal Maddow. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
So, the talk is now about debates. If I were part of Biden's team, I'd strongly advocate for strict rules to mitigate Trump's propensity to interrupt, and to go on and on. Ideally, I'd advocate for moderators with the ability to cut off the mikes (and a desire to act) would be ideal. If Trump doesn't agree, then no debates.
I highly doubt Trump would agree to debate because his cognitive ability is in obvious decline and his brain misfires more and more at each rally where he spews nonsensical word salad, half-sentences and made-up words, calls people by their wrong names and confuses timeframes for historical events. He also experiences sundowning and he's gets worse the later it gets. A prime time night debate would be a disaster. I doubt his handlers would let him do it.
But even if he agreed, Biden should pass. Trump will spew 100 lies a minute nonstop in a live debate with no ability to fact-check that amount of bull-(bleep) in real time. It's pointless.
These are not two unknown candidates who the nation needs to hear from. Everybody knows who they are and 90% have picked a side. If you are trying to get through to the 10% undecided/low-information voter with facts, this is not the format do do that.
Also, when you put these two men on a stage side-by-side, you are giving equal weight to a career public servant, mature, intelligent, accomplished president and a career criminal, lying, thin-skinned dictator wannabe who tried to overthrow the government, then you are helping Trump. He doesn't deserve to be on a stage next to Biden. I mean that with all sincerity and to protect democracy.
Amee Vanderpool @girlsreallyrule
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BIG: Judge Merchan has officially notified Donald Trump in the courtroom that if he fails to show up for any portion of his criminal trial in Manhattan, he will be arrested.
I think that's the first time a judge has explicitly stated arrest is a possibility for violating a protocol.
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 9:01 am Post subject:
I'm sure Trump wouldn't agree to separate debate cylinders that would allow moderators to shut mikes off at the end of the time given to answer the question and dispute the answer. President Biden would destroy Trump. His team know that and debates are most likely not going to happen. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 9:07 am Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
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Amee Vanderpool @girlsreallyrule
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BIG: Judge Merchan has officially notified Donald Trump in the courtroom that if he fails to show up for any portion of his criminal trial in Manhattan, he will be arrested.
I think that's the first time a judge has explicitly stated arrest is a possibility for violating a protocol.
Do you think Trump will test him? _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Jonah Bromwich
Donald J. Trump will be allowed to participate in proceedings, even those that take place out of earshot. However, he can lose that right if he acts out, and as we noted, could be sent to jail.
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Maggie Haberman
Trump appears to be sleeping. His head keeps dropping down and his mouth goes slack.
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Maggie Haberman
Trump has apparently jolted back awake, noticing the notes his lawyer passed him several minutes ago.
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Kate Christobek
Christopher Conroy, a prosecutor with the district attorney’s office, is now discussing Trump’s recent social media posts, which he says attack potential witnesses Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen. He says these are clearly posts about their participation in the trial and violate Justice Merchan’s gag order.
Todd Blanche, Trump’s lawyer, asks for the opportunity to respond in writing but is adamant that the posts do not violate Merchan’s gag order. He calls them limited responses to the “salacious, repeated, vehement attacks by these witnesses.”
Jonah Bromwich
It’s remarkable to have Trump sitting here, seeing the social media posts he wields as weapons against his opponents repurposed into ammunition against him in the courtroom.
Jonah Bromwich
Prosecutors are requesting that Trump be fined $1,000 for each violation — at least $3,000 in all. Merchan will not rule until after lunch, he says.
Amee Vanderpool @girlsreallyrule
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BIG: Judge Merchan has officially notified Donald Trump in the courtroom that if he fails to show up for any portion of his criminal trial in Manhattan, he will be arrested.
I think that's the first time a judge has explicitly stated arrest is a possibility for violating a protocol.
Do you think Trump will test him?
I don't think Trump wants to go to jail because he is a coward and big baby. And who would do his hair and change his diapers?
On the other hand, he cannot keep his mouth shut and compulsively lashes out at those around him, including judges and witnesses. We'll see if he can hold it in for 8 consecutive weeks while he has to sit there and listen without yelling back in real time.
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