He hooped today. All the chicken little 'laker fans' screaming for his head and hoping he failed again had to eat crow
It's so obvious to me that hes the most important player on the team. We know what we'll get out of bron and AD. But DLO makes us look like a legit contender when he is on
There was a stretch in the 4th quarter where we went DLO/AD pick and roll like 5 possesions in a row with lebron in the dunker spot and we found incredible success with that offense. It looked damn near unstoppable. I would run that play non stop until denver can prove that they can stop it
It can be. DLO running a PnR with AD as the roller/mid-range and LeBron as the slasher to the basket on paper is a near impossible to stop scenario if the Lakers did it more often. It's why DLO running the point works so well because it frees up LeBron off ball to beat people backdoor and slash to the basket or seal under the basket, and the pick and roll with AD gets him an open mid range or a cut to the basket. Or the defense rotates over to the cutter and DLO gets the no look lob to AD or to LeBron.
Those three SHOULD be an unstoppable PnR combination with what all 3 excel at, and the Nuggets whenever we run PnR have no answer for it. It's definitely something we should stick with, as it breaks the Nuggets defense down each time we try it. The Nuggets run a help defense whenever AD is going to the basket, that's what free's up the cutter and if that cutter is LeBron, it's a dunk or a layup each time.
LeBron can backdoor Gordon all night off ball because Gordon has to be focused on Davis when DLO and AD run the pick and roll and Davis looks like he's rolling to the basket. LeBron can come from the weak side each time and get a dunk or finish.
1:45 AD and Russell screen. Jackson's trailing and 'in jail' on DLO's hip. LeBron's open for the backdoor, Gordon has to watch AD and DLO and initially steps up to stop AD, but decides to recommit to potentially stop LeBron from backdooring. Jokic doesn't fully commit to DLO in order to stay with AD, DLO has an easy layup.
1:53 AD and Russell screen. Jokic halfway committed to AD but laying off. 4 Nuggets crowd the paint in case of AD rolling. Gordon is halfway committed in case AD slashes. There are multiple openings here because of this.
- Russell is wide open from mid
- AD is wide open from mid
- Prince is wide open from three
- Gabe is wide open for three
- LBJ is wide open for three
Russell takes first option after faking a pass to Vincent to move Murray, it's short but he taps back to AD who is still open and he sinks it.
2:02 AD and Russell screen, this time on MPJ. MPJ is way behind on screen, causing Jokic to have to come up to try to stop Russell. Murray is playing the passing lane in case it goes to Vincent for three. Gordon is now committed to help defend AD rolling to the basket as Jokic had to commit to DLO. This means he can't stop LeBron if LeBron attacks backdoor. He does.
LeBron dives to the basket, DLO hits him with the wide open no-look alley oop.
2:15 AD and Russell screen. Reggie starts to go over, but then tries to go under to stop AD from rolling but leaves DLO wide open because of that. Russell rises up and pulls from 3, gets fouled by Jackson(no whistle) and sinks it. Now had DLO kept running and Jackson remained behind him, Jokic would have had to step up again(as he was prepared to do) and Gordon would have had to rotate to AD, Jackson would have been caught in the middle, and LeBron would have likely had another alley oop if he dives.
The Nuggets cannot stop the Lakers pick and roll, and they need to run it more as a go-to, especially when the Nuggets attempt their runs.
Had to include an additional pick and roll play set in the 4th
In this instance, DLO gets the hockey assist, with AD being the one to get the assist to LBJ.
The DLO and AD screen, Jokic comes UP to DLO this time immediately as Jackson trails the play. Davis rolls hard and DLO finds him with the pass. This means Gordon has to move up to stop AD in the paint. MPJ doesn't rotate to LeBron with enough commitment because he's worried about Prince being wide open behind him. LeBron cuts to the basket, and gets an easy layup.
Exploiting MPJ's 'defense' on these possessions is a good idea. But it goes to show when we run the PnR why Denver struggles. They have to pick a poison. Russell gets an open shot or layup, Davis gets an open shot or layup, or LeBron gets an easy layup from the weak side, or they leave a three point shooter open. When Hachimura isn't on, they stay because they aren't worried about the three, but they worry about it when it's Prince and he's playing well.
If Vincent or Dinwiddie consistently were knocking down their spot up threes, it'd make the decisions even harder for the Nuggets when we run the PnR as they have to stay home or give up the three, but staying home means an open shot for DLO, AD or LeBron. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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He hooped today. All the chicken little 'laker fans' screaming for his head and hoping he failed again had to eat crow
It's so obvious to me that hes the most important player on the team. We know what we'll get out of bron and AD. But DLO makes us look like a legit contender when he is on
There was a stretch in the 4th quarter where we went DLO/AD pick and roll like 5 possesions in a row with lebron in the dunker spot and we found incredible success with that offense. It looked damn near unstoppable. I would run that play non stop until denver can prove that they can stop it
It can be. DLO running a PnR with AD as the roller/mid-range and LeBron as the slasher to the basket on paper is a near impossible to stop scenario if the Lakers did it more often. It's why DLO running the point works so well because it frees up LeBron off ball to beat people backdoor and slash to the basket or seal under the basket, and the pick and roll with AD gets him an open mid range or a cut to the basket. Or the defense rotates over to the cutter and DLO gets the no look lob to AD or to LeBron.
Those three SHOULD be an unstoppable PnR combination with what all 3 excel at, and the Nuggets whenever we run PnR have no answer for it. It's definitely something we should stick with, as it breaks the Nuggets defense down each time we try it. The Nuggets run a help defense whenever AD is going to the basket, that's what free's up the cutter and if that cutter is LeBron, it's a dunk or a layup each time.
LeBron can backdoor Gordon all night off ball because Gordon has to be focused on Davis when DLO and AD run the pick and roll and Davis looks like he's rolling to the basket. LeBron can come from the weak side each time and get a dunk or finish.
1:45 AD and Russell screen. Jackson's trailing and 'in jail' on DLO's hip. LeBron's open for the backdoor, Gordon has to watch AD and DLO and initially steps up to stop AD, but decides to recommit to potentially stop LeBron from backdooring. Jokic doesn't fully commit to DLO in order to stay with AD, DLO has an easy layup.
1:53 AD and Russell screen. Jokic halfway committed to AD but laying off. 4 Nuggets crowd the paint in case of AD rolling. Gordon is halfway committed in case AD slashes. There are multiple openings here because of this.
- Russell is wide open from mid
- AD is wide open from mid
- Prince is wide open from three
- Gabe is wide open for three
- LBJ is wide open for three
Russell takes first option after faking a pass to Vincent to move Murray, it's short but he taps back to AD who is still open and he sinks it.
2:02 AD and Russell screen, this time on MPJ. MPJ is way behind on screen, causing Jokic to have to come up to try to stop Russell. Murray is playing the passing lane in case it goes to Vincent for three. Gordon is now committed to help defend AD rolling to the basket as Jokic had to commit to DLO. This means he can't stop LeBron if LeBron attacks backdoor. He does.
LeBron dives to the basket, DLO hits him with the wide open no-look alley oop.
2:15 AD and Russell screen. Reggie starts to go over, but then tries to go under to stop AD from rolling but leaves DLO wide open because of that. Russell rises up and pulls from 3, gets fouled by Jackson(no whistle) and sinks it. Now had DLO kept running and Jackson remained behind him, Jokic would have had to step up again(as he was prepared to do) and Gordon would have had to rotate to AD, Jackson would have been caught in the middle, and LeBron would have likely had another alley oop if he dives.
The Nuggets cannot stop the Lakers pick and roll, and they need to run it more as a go-to, especially when the Nuggets attempt their runs.
Had to include an additional pick and roll play set in the 4th
In this instance, DLO gets the hockey assist, with AD being the one to get the assist to LBJ.
The DLO and AD screen, Jokic comes UP to DLO this time immediately as Jackson trails the play. Davis rolls hard and DLO finds him with the pass. This means Gordon has to move up to stop AD in the paint. MPJ doesn't rotate to LeBron with enough commitment because he's worried about Prince being wide open behind him. LeBron cuts to the basket, and gets an easy layup.
Exploiting MPJ's 'defense' on these possessions is a good idea. But it goes to show when we run the PnR why Denver struggles. They have to pick a poison. Russell gets an open shot or layup, Davis gets an open shot or layup, or LeBron gets an easy layup from the weak side, or they leave a three point shooter open. When Hachimura isn't on, they stay because they aren't worried about the three, but they worry about it when it's Prince and he's playing well.
If Vincent or Dinwiddie consistently were knocking down their spot up threes, it'd make the decisions even harder for the Nuggets when we run the PnR as they have to stay home or give up the three, but staying home means an open shot for DLO, AD or LeBron.
He hooped today. All the chicken little 'laker fans' screaming for his head and hoping he failed again had to eat crow
It's so obvious to me that hes the most important player on the team. We know what we'll get out of bron and AD. But DLO makes us look like a legit contender when he is on
There was a stretch in the 4th quarter where we went DLO/AD pick and roll like 5 possesions in a row with lebron in the dunker spot and we found incredible success with that offense. It looked damn near unstoppable. I would run that play non stop until denver can prove that they can stop it
It can be. DLO running a PnR with AD as the roller/mid-range and LeBron as the slasher to the basket on paper is a near impossible to stop scenario if the Lakers did it more often. It's why DLO running the point works so well because it frees up LeBron off ball to beat people backdoor and slash to the basket or seal under the basket, and the pick and roll with AD gets him an open mid range or a cut to the basket. Or the defense rotates over to the cutter and DLO gets the no look lob to AD or to LeBron.
Those three SHOULD be an unstoppable PnR combination with what all 3 excel at, and the Nuggets whenever we run PnR have no answer for it. It's definitely something we should stick with, as it breaks the Nuggets defense down each time we try it. The Nuggets run a help defense whenever AD is going to the basket, that's what free's up the cutter and if that cutter is LeBron, it's a dunk or a layup each time.
LeBron can backdoor Gordon all night off ball because Gordon has to be focused on Davis when DLO and AD run the pick and roll and Davis looks like he's rolling to the basket. LeBron can come from the weak side each time and get a dunk or finish.
1:45 AD and Russell screen. Jackson's trailing and 'in jail' on DLO's hip. LeBron's open for the backdoor, Gordon has to watch AD and DLO and initially steps up to stop AD, but decides to recommit to potentially stop LeBron from backdooring. Jokic doesn't fully commit to DLO in order to stay with AD, DLO has an easy layup.
1:53 AD and Russell screen. Jokic halfway committed to AD but laying off. 4 Nuggets crowd the paint in case of AD rolling. Gordon is halfway committed in case AD slashes. There are multiple openings here because of this.
- Russell is wide open from mid
- AD is wide open from mid
- Prince is wide open from three
- Gabe is wide open for three
- LBJ is wide open for three
Russell takes first option after faking a pass to Vincent to move Murray, it's short but he taps back to AD who is still open and he sinks it.
2:02 AD and Russell screen, this time on MPJ. MPJ is way behind on screen, causing Jokic to have to come up to try to stop Russell. Murray is playing the passing lane in case it goes to Vincent for three. Gordon is now committed to help defend AD rolling to the basket as Jokic had to commit to DLO. This means he can't stop LeBron if LeBron attacks backdoor. He does.
LeBron dives to the basket, DLO hits him with the wide open no-look alley oop.
2:15 AD and Russell screen. Reggie starts to go over, but then tries to go under to stop AD from rolling but leaves DLO wide open because of that. Russell rises up and pulls from 3, gets fouled by Jackson(no whistle) and sinks it. Now had DLO kept running and Jackson remained behind him, Jokic would have had to step up again(as he was prepared to do) and Gordon would have had to rotate to AD, Jackson would have been caught in the middle, and LeBron would have likely had another alley oop if he dives.
The Nuggets cannot stop the Lakers pick and roll, and they need to run it more as a go-to, especially when the Nuggets attempt their runs.
Had to include an additional pick and roll play set in the 4th
In this instance, DLO gets the hockey assist, with AD being the one to get the assist to LBJ.
The DLO and AD screen, Jokic comes UP to DLO this time immediately as Jackson trails the play. Davis rolls hard and DLO finds him with the pass. This means Gordon has to move up to stop AD in the paint. MPJ doesn't rotate to LeBron with enough commitment because he's worried about Prince being wide open behind him. LeBron cuts to the basket, and gets an easy layup.
Exploiting MPJ's 'defense' on these possessions is a good idea. But it goes to show when we run the PnR why Denver struggles. They have to pick a poison. Russell gets an open shot or layup, Davis gets an open shot or layup, or LeBron gets an easy layup from the weak side, or they leave a three point shooter open. When Hachimura isn't on, they stay because they aren't worried about the three, but they worry about it when it's Prince and he's playing well.
If Vincent or Dinwiddie consistently were knocking down their spot up threes, it'd make the decisions even harder for the Nuggets when we run the PnR as they have to stay home or give up the three, but staying home means an open shot for DLO, AD or LeBron.
Max would be great in there for spenc/gabe js
Considering Max is statistically one of our best spot up shooters from three, yes he would be. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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I said before the season started, our only chance of beating Denver is if D'Angelo controls the offense and thats why I wanted him to average 20-22 PPG and 6 APG per year. I said that is the only chance we have but I can't believe it actually happened in Game 4 where we actually let Russell control the offense in the 4th quarter. Lo and behold....we score easily EVERY time. But from now on, its a matter of D'Angelo keeping that same focus and aggression. He is not a choker....that part of his mentality, I will never question again. I will question if he has the consistent focus to be a killer every game that we need from him from here on out - at least until the end of the Denver series with no margin for error. But I personally think we are taking Games 5 and 6. My gut feeling is that with Murray compromised, the tenor of Game 5 will be very similar to a mix of Game 1 vs GSW and Memphis from last year where we lead for vast stretches of the game and anytime we trail its within striking distance (similar to the Memphis game) but comes down to execution at the very end where things finally bounce our way (similar to the GSW game). Be back in Ball Arena for Game 7 where we will be decided underdogs or not based upon Murray's health. We compare Russell with Van Exel a lot and its usually in the negative tone. Well Van Exel SINGLE-HANDEDLY destroyed Gary Payton in his physical peak/prime and Seattle in 1995 when the Lakers were a projected 40-win team and Seattle was a projected 61-win team and then won a game at the Alamodome on the road against #1 seed Spurs with a couple buzzer-beaters. Would be nice for Russell to channel that version of Van Exel.
Him being able to nail pullup 3s is so essential for unlocking the offense. When I listened to the Lakers Exceptionalism pod I kept pulling my hair out when Cranjis talked about how pullup 3s will beat drop defenses although DLO is so streaky on them
Are we sure this is D'Lo specific though and not just shot variance in general. Recall Ray Allen for example. How terrible that dude looked vs Detroit in the ECF and then should have been the real Finals MVP vs the Lakers in 2008. Then in 2010, what a doozy. From the highs of Game 2 where he made 8 threes to literally being unable to make a single shot in Game 3.
For sure. My point was that if I'm Denver, I'm running drop on most PnRs and betting DLO will have one game where he's not hitting the pullup 3. Once he starts missing those and not taking them, the Lakers cease to build an advantage from PnR against drop. This is a response to Cranjis (tim_nba) on twitter mentioning that the Lakers can beat every PnR coverage (beating drop via the pullup 3)
We saw last game how much better we are when Dlo has the ball in his hands in the PNR and lebron is off ball in the Aaron Gordon roll, just diving baseline for open dunks..
Denver cant go under the PnR because he can hit the shot, if they go over it, Davis is there for the roll, if Denver helps than Dlo will hit whoevers guy is helping.. Its really simple basketball when Dlo has the ball in his hands
Why not shut up? He blah..just shut it. Everybody tried..it didnt happen. play the blame game somewhere else.
I think it's fair to discuss D'lo needing to do more,,and not just scoring wise. But, he is who he is. Either he needs a bigger defensive guard to start next to him, or we should find a better starting option in his place. Our perimeter D is majorly lacking.
Why not shut up? He blah..just shut it. Everybody tried..it didnt happen. play the blame game somewhere else.
I think it's fair to discuss D'lo needing to do more,,and not just scoring wise. But, he is who he is. Either he needs a bigger defensive guard to start next to him, or we should find a better starting option in his place. Our perimeter D is majorly lacking.
The perimeter D has been lacking all year. On top of that we play drop coverage..smh. The only one fast enough for that is Vando.
Okay, who do we get in his place? It seems like we'd have a pretty large void in our offense for the entire season. JHS sure isn't ready. Would be nice to have a season with Gabe but I didn't see anything that made me think he is a strong lead guard offensively.
I'm all for upgrading the team anywhere we can, but getting rid of someone who contributed doesn't seem like a good move.
Venting is fine, but we didn't lose this because of DLo. We should have won the first 3, and we actually did win the 4th. DLo had two great games during that stretch.
Great season by DLO. He helped get us out into the playoffs, and managed to give us a couple good playoff games. That run of ours during the last 25 games was fun.
Whether you love him or hate him, no need to waste your energy. He's not opting into his player option, and we are not able to re-sign him. He's gone.
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Okay, who do we get in his place? It seems like we'd have a pretty large void in our offense for the entire season. JHS sure isn't ready. Would be nice to have a season with Gabe but I didn't see anything that made me think he is a strong lead guard offensively.
I'm all for upgrading the team anywhere we can, but getting rid of someone who contributed doesn't seem like a good move.
Venting is fine, but we didn't lose this because of DLo. We should have won the first 3, and we actually did win the 4th. DLo had two great games during that stretch.
Honestly who knows. Just know Dlo is not good enough. We all know this.
Okay, who do we get in his place? It seems like we'd have a pretty large void in our offense for the entire season. JHS sure isn't ready. Would be nice to have a season with Gabe but I didn't see anything that made me think he is a strong lead guard offensively.
I'm all for upgrading the team anywhere we can, but getting rid of someone who contributed doesn't seem like a good move.
Venting is fine, but we didn't lose this because of DLo. We should have won the first 3, and we actually did win the 4th. DLo had two great games during that stretch.
Honestly who knows. Just know Dlo is not good enough. We all know this.
Alright soooo who you want to get? ..how many picks and roster you want to give up..to look like the suns.
Why not shut up? He blah..just shut it. Everybody tried..it didnt happen. play the blame game somewhere else.
I think it's fair to discuss D'lo needing to do more,,and not just scoring wise. But, he is who he is. Either he needs a bigger defensive guard to start next to him, or we should find a better starting option in his place. Our perimeter D is majorly lacking.
The perimeter D has been lacking all year. On top of that we play drop coverage..smh. The only one fast enough for that is Vando.
Agreed. Let's address it this summer. I just don't see how D'lo/AR is the backcourt unless you have a like like Gobert with AD to cover for them. Obv that's not happening.
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..how many picks and roster you want to give up..to look like the suns.
