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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Why is it that Trump’s sentence will get postponed if he appeals? I thought criminals usually appeal from jail. Can the state still make him appeal from jail? Or is it his legal right to delay sentencing until the appeal is settled? |
Here's a good article explaining what happens next. Here is the part you are asking about. It looks like because it's a "white collar crime" it's treated differently. Meaning rich white men get more rights than others.
| Quote: | | Trump could seek to stay the execution of any sentence pending appeal, meaning that he wouldn't have to start serving the sentence until an appeals court makes a decision, which is not uncommon in white collar cases in New York federal courts, Horwitz said. The move could delay any jail time until the election — or even beyond. |
CBS: Is Trump going to prison? What to know about the possible sentence after his conviction |
Thanks for sharing that. So it says Trump will ask for the sentence to be delayed, but he is at the mercy of the state as to whether or not the request is granted. So people are assuming his request will be granted. I found Braggs press conference and they asked what the states response would be to a request to stay the sentence and he said he will let his words at the time of sentencing speak for themselves (paraphrasing). Let’s see what they end up deciding. |
The possibility of it happening is slim to none and none is on a diet but I'd like to see him go to Rikers. That has to be one of the worst detention facilities in the country. | Quote: | | If Trump faces more than one year in jail, New York law requires that his sentence be served in a New York penal facility. But if his sentence is shorter than a year, it would be served in a New York City correctional facility, such as Rikers Island. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Why is it that Trump’s sentence will get postponed if he appeals? I thought criminals usually appeal from jail. Can the state still make him appeal from jail? Or is it his legal right to delay sentencing until the appeal is settled? |
Here's a good article explaining what happens next. Here is the part you are asking about. It looks like because it's a "white collar crime" it's treated differently. Meaning rich white men get more rights than others.
| Quote: | | Trump could seek to stay the execution of any sentence pending appeal, meaning that he wouldn't have to start serving the sentence until an appeals court makes a decision, which is not uncommon in white collar cases in New York federal courts, Horwitz said. The move could delay any jail time until the election — or even beyond. |
CBS: Is Trump going to prison? What to know about the possible sentence after his conviction |
Thanks for sharing that. So it says Trump will ask for the sentence to be delayed, but he is at the mercy of the state as to whether or not the request is granted. So people are assuming his request will be granted. I found Braggs press conference and they asked what the states response would be to a request to stay the sentence and he said he will let his words at the time of sentencing speak for themselves (paraphrasing). Let’s see what they end up deciding. |
The possibility of it happening is slim to none and none is on a diet but I'd like to see him go to Rikers. That has to be one of the worst detention facilities in the country. | Quote: | | If Trump faces more than one year in jail, New York law requires that his sentence be served in a New York penal facility. But if his sentence is shorter than a year, it would be served in a New York City correctional facility, such as Rikers Island. |
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Even if he gets sentenced to house arrest, it could be entertaining to see him campaign from his Zoom Room at Mar-A-Lago. I wonder how many people will go to a rally to watch his travelling big screen and projector. |
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https://www.salon.com/2024/06/03/texas-professors-to-fail-students-seek-abortions/
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| Quote: | A pair of Texas professors figured out that their female students have sex and, boy, they do not like it. So now the philosophy professor and finance professor are suing for the right to punish their students who, outside of class, have abortions.
"Pregnancy is not a disease, and elective abortions are not 'health care,'" University of Texas at Austin professor Daniel Bonevac sneers in a federal court filing with professor John Hatfield. Instead, Bonevac writes, because pregnancy is the result of "voluntary and consensual sexual intercourse," students should not be allowed time off to get abortions. If the students disobey and miss class for abortion care, the filing continues, the professors should be allowed to flunk students. Additionally, Bonevac asserts that he has a right to refuse to employ a teaching assistant who has had an abortion, calling such women "criminals." |
| Quote: | | Unfortunately, the Dobbs decision, which ended abortion rights, didn't just empower professors who are overly preoccupied with the sex lives of undergraduates. Texas has swiftly turned into a case study in how abortion bans aren't really about "life" at all, but about giving abusive misogynists a whole new set of tools to use in controlling women. As Melissa Gira Grant at the New Republic wrote earlier this month, domestic "[a]busers have noticed and taken advantage" of how abortion bans mean the "legal system itself" is now "an instrument of abuse." Operators at domestic violence hotlines have seen a surge in calls from victims whose abusers who "use state anti-abortion laws to intimidate and threaten partners" who have had or are considering an abortion. |
They also judge shopped the case to Amarillo even though they are in Austin
| Quote: | | The reason for this is not mysterious: Donald Trump-appointed judge Matthew Kacsmaryk. The right-wing judge has a long and frankly unhinged history of screeching at top volume about the evils of "sexual revolutionaries." (Yes, that does sound like a compliment, but he doesn't mean it as such.) It takes very little to draw Kacsmaryk's sexualized condemnation. Premarital sex, for instance, makes one a "sexual revolutionary." Using contraception within marriage also makes one an irredeemable pervert. In his legal writings, Kacsmaryk is very clear that sex is only for procreation within marriage, and anything outside of that should draw legal sanction. He has not weighed in on whether there should be restrictions on what sexual positions are legally permissible within the procreation-only marital sex, but give him time. |
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^^^I've been saying this for as long as I've been on this message board. Abortion issue was never about the life of a fetus, it was ALWAYS about controlling women. They are also trying to do away with no-fault divorce to make it harder for women to escape abusive marriages. And in many red states, women can't file for divorce while they are pregnant. Most partner homicide of men murdering their partners happens during pregnancy. Many red states are also lowering the age of consent for marriage so they can marry and control teenage girls who don't have the education, self-esteem or world knowledge to fight back. They are disgusting.
Like I've said in other instances, ALL REPUBLICANS ARE BAD. And as DMR said, THEY ARE EVIL AS WELL. |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | Murdock wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Why is it that Trump’s sentence will get postponed if he appeals? I thought criminals usually appeal from jail. Can the state still make him appeal from jail? Or is it his legal right to delay sentencing until the appeal is settled? |
Here's a good article explaining what happens next. Here is the part you are asking about. It looks like because it's a "white collar crime" it's treated differently. Meaning rich white men get more rights than others.
| Quote: | | Trump could seek to stay the execution of any sentence pending appeal, meaning that he wouldn't have to start serving the sentence until an appeals court makes a decision, which is not uncommon in white collar cases in New York federal courts, Horwitz said. The move could delay any jail time until the election — or even beyond. |
CBS: Is Trump going to prison? What to know about the possible sentence after his conviction |
There are some, meaning just about all Republicans who have spoken on this issue, who believe if incarcerated that with two extreme ideologues and three others who owe their appointments to the adjudicated rapist felon, that the SCOTUS will intervene and free him. Helping one Republican become president (Bush43) is not enough.
And here's a point to ponder: Though I've not counted myself, I recently heard it has been 5 (deliberately and unnecessarily delaying) months since SCOTUS took up the presidential immunity case. If Trump is incarcerated, my bet is that he will be free within 5 days.
Here's another point to ponder: Five of the justices on the SCOTUS have been appointed by two presidents who won (?) the presidency with fewer votes.
In other words, tyranny of the minority is complete. |
Somewhat self-inflicted as Ruth Bader Ginsberg at least could have retired when Obama was in office and democrats had control of the senate, but anyone who suggested it was crucified back then. |
I love Barry, but he was a pussycat - he should've forced RBG out and made Garland a recess appointment. He drank the bipartisan Kool-Aid and got sodomized. |
To be fair he couldn’t make Garland a recess appointment because Mitch kept the senate officially in session to thwart that.
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DONALD TRUMP
If Trump goes to prison after guilty verdict, Secret Service would have to go with him
Trump was found guilty on all charges in a New York court this week
Adam Shaw By Adam Shaw Fox News
Published June 1, 2024 2:22pm EDT
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Trump appeal to remove Willis from Georgia election subversion case set for October, likely putting trial past Election Day
The Georgia Court of Appeals has set a tentative date of October 4 to hear oral arguments in the effort to have Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis removed from prosecuting the election interference case against former President Donald Trump and others.
The possibility that the disqualification fight could stretch to October, as well as an ongoing question about how the Supreme Court’s upcoming ruling on presidential immunity could impact the prosecution, makes it extremely unlikely Trump will go on trial for election subversion in Georgia before Election Day.
Attorneys were informed of the tentative date after the case was officially docketed Monday with the appeals court, according to a notice obtained by CNN.
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| jodeke wrote: | DONALD TRUMP
If Trump goes to prison after guilty verdict, Secret Service would have to go with him
Trump was found guilty on all charges in a New York court this week
Adam Shaw By Adam Shaw Fox News
Published June 1, 2024 2:22pm EDT
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This is why he'd never be put in an actual prison. It's a national security risk. The best people can hope for is house arrest. Truth is that he'd ignore that too and dare authorities to arrest him.
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| Heartburn wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | DONALD TRUMP
If Trump goes to prison after guilty verdict, Secret Service would have to go with him
Trump was found guilty on all charges in a New York court this week
Adam Shaw By Adam Shaw Fox News
Published June 1, 2024 2:22pm EDT
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This is why he'd never be put in an actual prison. It's a national security risk. The best people can hope for is house arrest. Truth is that he'd ignore that too and dare authorities to arrest him. |
It could well be White House arrest, and it would be a life sentence, because once he is in, he ain't leavin'.
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| Quote: | Multiple Trump Witnesses Have Received Significant Financial Benefits From His Businesses, Campaign
Nine witnesses in the criminal cases against former President Donald Trump have received significant financial benefits, including large raises from his campaign, severance packages, new jobs, and a grant of shares and cash from Trump’s media company.
The benefits have flowed from Trump’s businesses and campaign committees, according to a ProPublica analysis of public disclosures, court records and securities filings. One campaign aide had his average monthly pay double, from $26,000 to $53,500. Another employee got a $2 million severance package barring him from voluntarily cooperating with law enforcement. And one of the campaign’s top officials had her daughter hired onto the campaign staff, where she is now the fourth-highest-paid employee.
These pay increases and other benefits often came at delicate moments in the legal proceedings against Trump. One aide who was given a plum position on the board of Trump’s social media company, for example, got the seat after he was subpoenaed but before he testified.
Significant changes to a staffer’s work situation, such as bonuses, pay raises, firings or promotions, can be evidence of a crime if they come outside the normal course of business. To prove witness tampering, prosecutors would need to show that perks or punishments were intended to influence testimony.
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Trump’s attorney, David Warrington, sent ProPublica a cease-and-desist letter demanding this article not be published. The letter warned that if the outlet and its reporters “continue their reckless campaign of defamation, President Trump will evaluate all legal remedies.”
https://www.propublica.org/article/donald-trump-criminal-cases-witnesses-financial-benefits |
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I don't think anyone thought he'd be convicted, let alone on all 34 counts. I'ma holdout for some jail time. If he gets any time I think he'll get house arrest and Mar-a-Lago will be the location. If he was just Donald Trump I think he'd get some real jail time. Being an ex-president he'll get the lighter, safer form of incarceration.
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He could also get community service picking up trash at the side of the road. Of course he'd have SS or toadies there probably picking it up for him. Don't know how they'd enforce the part where he would personally have to pick up the trash.
Also there's the whole part where he has to report to a parole officer and be drug tested. That would be a hoot.
Whatever humiliation that can be inflicted on him is one more punishment than he's had to endure his entire pathetic criminal-filled life.
Just sitting in a court room all day listening to people say bad things about him was a punishment from his perspective. That's partly why he fell asleep every day. His psyche couldn't handle it.
Biden campaign is following advice of most Democratic talking heads and referring to Trump as "convicted felon Trump" in all tweets, communications, etc. Convicted felon Trump. Repeat a million times like "sleepy Joe" or "crooked Hillary." Convicted felon Trump. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | Quote: | Multiple Trump Witnesses Have Received Significant Financial Benefits From His Businesses, Campaign
Nine witnesses in the criminal cases against former President Donald Trump have received significant financial benefits, including large raises from his campaign, severance packages, new jobs, and a grant of shares and cash from Trump’s media company.
The benefits have flowed from Trump’s businesses and campaign committees, according to a ProPublica analysis of public disclosures, court records and securities filings. One campaign aide had his average monthly pay double, from $26,000 to $53,500. Another employee got a $2 million severance package barring him from voluntarily cooperating with law enforcement. And one of the campaign’s top officials had her daughter hired onto the campaign staff, where she is now the fourth-highest-paid employee.
These pay increases and other benefits often came at delicate moments in the legal proceedings against Trump. One aide who was given a plum position on the board of Trump’s social media company, for example, got the seat after he was subpoenaed but before he testified.
Significant changes to a staffer’s work situation, such as bonuses, pay raises, firings or promotions, can be evidence of a crime if they come outside the normal course of business. To prove witness tampering, prosecutors would need to show that perks or punishments were intended to influence testimony.
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Trump’s attorney, David Warrington, sent ProPublica a cease-and-desist letter demanding this article not be published. The letter warned that if the outlet and its reporters “continue their reckless campaign of defamation, President Trump will evaluate all legal remedies.”
https://www.propublica.org/article/donald-trump-criminal-cases-witnesses-financial-benefits |
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In any other universe this is called bribery and witness tampering and there would be indictments and arrests. But it's Trump so it's just another Tuesday.
Also it came out in the Michigan fake electors hearing that the FBI & DOJ are actively investigating Trump campaign for being behind it. Don't know what took them so long. I guess they were letting Michigan go first to see what evidence came out. Anyway, another potential Trump indictment to add on to the Jan. 6 insurrection case in DC (that's on hold while SCOTUS takes it's time deciding on presidential immunity issue).
The wheels of justice grind very slowly when it comes to Trump. But if Biden wins in November, Trump will have to sit through his own criminal trials for years. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | I don't think anyone thought he'd be convicted, let alone on all 34 counts. I'ma holdout for some jail time. If he gets any time I think he'll get house arrest and Mar-a-Lago will be the location. If he was just Donald Trump I think he'd get some real jail time. Being an ex-president he'll get the lighter, safer form of incarceration. |
That would be fitting punishment. You know he is gonna hate it when he can't have his rallies on the road and have to invite the MAGA faithful to his home.... |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | Quote: | Multiple Trump Witnesses Have Received Significant Financial Benefits From His Businesses, Campaign
Nine witnesses in the criminal cases against former President Donald Trump have received significant financial benefits, including large raises from his campaign, severance packages, new jobs, and a grant of shares and cash from Trump’s media company.
The benefits have flowed from Trump’s businesses and campaign committees, according to a ProPublica analysis of public disclosures, court records and securities filings. One campaign aide had his average monthly pay double, from $26,000 to $53,500. Another employee got a $2 million severance package barring him from voluntarily cooperating with law enforcement. And one of the campaign’s top officials had her daughter hired onto the campaign staff, where she is now the fourth-highest-paid employee.
These pay increases and other benefits often came at delicate moments in the legal proceedings against Trump. One aide who was given a plum position on the board of Trump’s social media company, for example, got the seat after he was subpoenaed but before he testified.
Significant changes to a staffer’s work situation, such as bonuses, pay raises, firings or promotions, can be evidence of a crime if they come outside the normal course of business. To prove witness tampering, prosecutors would need to show that perks or punishments were intended to influence testimony.
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Trump’s attorney, David Warrington, sent ProPublica a cease-and-desist letter demanding this article not be published. The letter warned that if the outlet and its reporters “continue their reckless campaign of defamation, President Trump will evaluate all legal remedies.”
https://www.propublica.org/article/donald-trump-criminal-cases-witnesses-financial-benefits |
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In any other universe this is called bribery and witness tampering and there would be indictments and arrests. But it's Trump so it's just another Tuesday.
Also it came out in the Michigan fake electors hearing that the FBI & DOJ are actively investigating Trump campaign for being behind it. Don't know what took them so long. I guess they were letting Michigan go first to see what evidence came out. Anyway, another potential Trump indictment to add on to the Jan. 6 insurrection case in DC (that's on hold while SCOTUS takes it's time deciding on presidential immunity issue).
The wheels of justice grind very slowly when it comes to Trump. But if Biden wins in November, Trump will have to sit through his own criminal trials for years. |
From what I’ve read, the fbi under Wray has been very protective of trump. Lots of sympathizers there and in the DOJ.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | Also it came out in the Michigan fake electors hearing that the FBI & DOJ are actively investigating Trump campaign for being behind it. Don't know what took them so long. I guess they were letting Michigan go first to see what evidence came out. Anyway, another potential Trump indictment to add on to the Jan. 6 insurrection case in DC (that's on hold while SCOTUS takes it's time deciding on presidential immunity issue). |
Indeed. Today:
| Quote: | Three Trump operatives charged in Wisconsin for 2020 election gambit
Kenneth Chesebro, an architect of Donald Trump’s scheme to subvert the 2020 election, has been charged with felony forgery in Wisconsin, court records show.
Chesebro, who developed a strategy to send false slates of presidential electors — and to use them to stoke a conflict on Jan. 6, 2021 aimed at blocking Joe Biden’s Electoral College victory — was charged alongside Jim Troupis, a 2020 Trump campaign lawyer, and Mike Roman, a former Trump campaign operative.
The 26-page complaint dated June 3 relies primarily on text messages and documents obtained from Chesebro, who interviewed with investigators in December. It accuses the three men of conspiring to send “unappointed” electors to Washington.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/04/trump-operatives-charged-wisconsin-2020-election-00161436 |
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Gearing up for round two:
| Quote: | Trump Allies Sue to Allow Election Officials to Refuse to Certify Results
The America First Policy Institute is representing an election-denying election official who wants the discretion to refuse to certify results
A Republican election official in Georgia’s largest county who has worked for prominent election denial groups is now suing for the discretion to refuse to certify election results with the help of Donald Trump’s America First Policy Institute.
Julie Adams, a member of the Fulton County election board, filed her lawsuit on May 22 with the help of lawyers from America First Policy Institute, a pro-Trump think tank. The lawsuit seeks access to voting records that Adams says she was denied by Fulton County’s election director, Nadine Williams, and also seeks the court’s ruling on whether Adams’ duty to certify election results is up to her discretion.
Adams’ lawsuit specifically requests that the judge “clarify” that her “duties are, in fact, discretionary, not ministerial.”
In recent years, Republican election officials have refused or delayed certification of election results at least 15 times in eight states, as Rolling Stone previously reported — part of efforts to call elections into question based on Trump’s election lies.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-think-tank-lawsuit-election-officials-refuse-certify-results-1235032235/ |
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| What do you think Trump really gets as far as sentence? Surely no one is thinking he will sniff jail time at all, right? I think some talk prison time like that is a possibility....no way he serves a single day in jail. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | Gearing up for round two:
| Quote: | Trump Allies Sue to Allow Election Officials to Refuse to Certify Results
The America First Policy Institute is representing an election-denying election official who wants the discretion to refuse to certify results
A Republican election official in Georgia’s largest county who has worked for prominent election denial groups is now suing for the discretion to refuse to certify election results with the help of Donald Trump’s America First Policy Institute.
Julie Adams, a member of the Fulton County election board, filed her lawsuit on May 22 with the help of lawyers from America First Policy Institute, a pro-Trump think tank. The lawsuit seeks access to voting records that Adams says she was denied by Fulton County’s election director, Nadine Williams, and also seeks the court’s ruling on whether Adams’ duty to certify election results is up to her discretion.
Adams’ lawsuit specifically requests that the judge “clarify” that her “duties are, in fact, discretionary, not ministerial.”
In recent years, Republican election officials have refused or delayed certification of election results at least 15 times in eight states, as Rolling Stone previously reported — part of efforts to call elections into question based on Trump’s election lies.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-think-tank-lawsuit-election-officials-refuse-certify-results-1235032235/ |
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Republicans don't believe in democracy or one-person-one-vote. They think they should be legally allowed to rule the rest of no matter how we vote. Red states/counties are trying to make legal what Trump tried to do last time. Steal votes from the citizens and replace it with their own decision. |
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The damage Trump has done, is doing to our government will take years to repair. It's opened my eyes to an element I knew existed but didn't want to acknowledge. MAGA is a clear and present danger. If they're not throttled down we may be witnessing the fall of American democracy.
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| trmiv wrote: | https://www.salon.com/2024/06/03/texas-professors-to-fail-students-seek-abortions/
| Quote: | | Texas professors sue to fail students who seek abortions |
| Quote: | A pair of Texas professors figured out that their female students have sex and, boy, they do not like it. So now the philosophy professor and finance professor are suing for the right to punish their students who, outside of class, have abortions.
"Pregnancy is not a disease, and elective abortions are not 'health care,'" University of Texas at Austin professor Daniel Bonevac sneers in a federal court filing with professor John Hatfield. Instead, Bonevac writes, because pregnancy is the result of "voluntary and consensual sexual intercourse," students should not be allowed time off to get abortions. If the students disobey and miss class for abortion care, the filing continues, the professors should be allowed to flunk students. Additionally, Bonevac asserts that he has a right to refuse to employ a teaching assistant who has had an abortion, calling such women "criminals." |
| Quote: | | Unfortunately, the Dobbs decision, which ended abortion rights, didn't just empower professors who are overly preoccupied with the sex lives of undergraduates. Texas has swiftly turned into a case study in how abortion bans aren't really about "life" at all, but about giving abusive misogynists a whole new set of tools to use in controlling women. As Melissa Gira Grant at the New Republic wrote earlier this month, domestic "[a]busers have noticed and taken advantage" of how abortion bans mean the "legal system itself" is now "an instrument of abuse." Operators at domestic violence hotlines have seen a surge in calls from victims whose abusers who "use state anti-abortion laws to intimidate and threaten partners" who have had or are considering an abortion. |
They also judge shopped the case to Amarillo even though they are in Austin
| Quote: | | The reason for this is not mysterious: Donald Trump-appointed judge Matthew Kacsmaryk. The right-wing judge has a long and frankly unhinged history of screeching at top volume about the evils of "sexual revolutionaries." (Yes, that does sound like a compliment, but he doesn't mean it as such.) It takes very little to draw Kacsmaryk's sexualized condemnation. Premarital sex, for instance, makes one a "sexual revolutionary." Using contraception within marriage also makes one an irredeemable pervert. In his legal writings, Kacsmaryk is very clear that sex is only for procreation within marriage, and anything outside of that should draw legal sanction. He has not weighed in on whether there should be restrictions on what sexual positions are legally permissible within the procreation-only marital sex, but give him time. |
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UT Austin students need to be on the streets protesting and rallying around this. Bring attention back to abortion. Put it in the news cycle the way Gaza is. Do 18-22 year olds really not care about abortion rights anymore? |
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UT Austin students need to be on the streets protesting and rallying around this. Bring attention back to abortion. Put it in the news cycle the way Gaza is. Do 18-22 year olds really not care about abortion rights anymore? |
Good question. My wife is a high school teacher and she says her 18 year old seniors don’t seem overly concerned that abortion is on the ballot here in Florida this November. She’s had to remind them how important this election is, and a lot of them she says don’t appear overly moved or concerned by it. |
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| trmiv wrote: | | tox wrote: |
UT Austin students need to be on the streets protesting and rallying around this. Bring attention back to abortion. Put it in the news cycle the way Gaza is. Do 18-22 year olds really not care about abortion rights anymore? |
Good question. My wife is a high school teacher and she says her 18 year old seniors don’t seem overly concerned that abortion is on the ballot here in Florida this November. She’s had to remind them how important this election is, and a lot of them she says don’t appear overly moved or concerned by it. |
I bet if it was tending on TikTok they’d be concerned. The amount of general apathy from young people in this country astounds me. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | trmiv wrote: | | tox wrote: |
UT Austin students need to be on the streets protesting and rallying around this. Bring attention back to abortion. Put it in the news cycle the way Gaza is. Do 18-22 year olds really not care about abortion rights anymore? |
Good question. My wife is a high school teacher and she says her 18 year old seniors don’t seem overly concerned that abortion is on the ballot here in Florida this November. She’s had to remind them how important this election is, and a lot of them she says don’t appear overly moved or concerned by it. |
I bet if it was tending on TikTok they’d be concerned. The amount of general apathy from young people in this country astounds me. |
We were already losing them, but there was still a little hope. Come covid we surrendered them to the algorithm, permanently. They belong to the hive mind now.
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | trmiv wrote: | | tox wrote: |
UT Austin students need to be on the streets protesting and rallying around this. Bring attention back to abortion. Put it in the news cycle the way Gaza is. Do 18-22 year olds really not care about abortion rights anymore? |
Good question. My wife is a high school teacher and she says her 18 year old seniors don’t seem overly concerned that abortion is on the ballot here in Florida this November. She’s had to remind them how important this election is, and a lot of them she says don’t appear overly moved or concerned by it. |
I bet if it was tending on TikTok they’d be concerned. The amount of general apathy from young people in this country astounds me. |
Yep. That’s where 99% of the youth contempt for Biden regarding Gaza originated. It’d be nice if more of those “influencers” hammered away on the many issues directly affecting this country ( not that there aren’t legitimate concerns for the innocent citizens of Gaza) and all the good things going on that Biden is responsible for.
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