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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 6:57 am    Post subject: Re: RUN IT BACK!

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Keep the same team and replace DLo. Get a big to deal with Denver then we'd be unstoppable again. Lebron is still the best go-to guy. AD would own 26 of the 29 teams out there without a true center.


3rd option comparison...

MPJ: 22.8p/8.4r/1.2a/1.2stls with 55%-49%-77% splits
DLO: 14.2p/2.8r/4.2a/.8stls with 38%-32%-50% splits

Lebron/AD closed the gap on that by outscoring Jokic/Murray. We're not asking DLO to play out of his mind, but similar to WCF last year. If he played at least his season average we're probably be up 3-2 right now, and going to game 6.

Even if DLO is still on this team, Lakers need a better 3rd option next year.


Russell hit 7 threes in a loss. Michael Porter Jr also isn't playing with somebody that's extremely ball dominant, making it nearly impossible to be in rhythm.


No one player on the Nuggets is that ball dominant, but MPJ never gets the ball unless it’s just a catch and shoot. It’s not like the Nuggets hand the ball over to him and let him cook. He finds spots on the floor and gets a shot up.

Dlo controls possessions with the ball a lot more than MPJ does…
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 7:03 am    Post subject:

Of course they will pretty much run it back. Lebron and AD are still selling tickets and Pelinka gave two year deals to guys who aren’t tradable. Management needs to keep revenue coming in and another trip to the play ins will do that.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 7:07 am    Post subject:

Just saying, who do y’all prefer of not Dlo at ~20M? It’s easy to say Dlo sucks and we need someone better! That’s just grass is greener talk. Who? Spida?

Assuming we can even get him, I doubt that we can, you will have

AD
Bron
Cam
Spida
Skyler

If you’re lucky for 25% of the time. Otherwise you will have

Heys
Bron
Cam
Spida
Skyler

Or

AD
Bron
Cam
Max Lewis
Skyler

Or even worse since 2 or all 3 of those guys can get injured too. Y’all think that’s a better team?
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 8:17 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
Of course they will pretty much run it back. Lebron and AD are still selling tickets and Pelinka gave two year deals to guys who aren’t tradable. Management needs to keep revenue coming in and another trip to the play ins will do that.


This poster thinks the Lakers aren’t trying to win and they just want to make money.

Cynical? Obviously.

Stupidity? Well, we all know the answer to that question.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 8:25 am    Post subject:

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venturalakersfan wrote:
Of course they will pretty much run it back. Lebron and AD are still selling tickets and Pelinka gave two year deals to guys who aren’t tradable. Management needs to keep revenue coming in and another trip to the play ins will do that.


This poster thinks the Lakers aren’t trying to win and they just want to make money.

Cynical? Obviously.

Stupidity? Well, we all know the answer to that question.


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 8:38 am    Post subject:

Reds622 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Of course they will pretty much run it back. Lebron and AD are still selling tickets and Pelinka gave two year deals to guys who aren’t tradable. Management needs to keep revenue coming in and another trip to the play ins will do that.


This poster thinks the Lakers aren’t trying to win and they just want to make money.

Cynical? Obviously.

Stupidity? Well, we all know the answer to that question.

Why not give an argument to the contrary. Facts show that we signed guys that no other teams wanted. Teams with seemingly better coaches.

We didn’t make the team better at the deadline when it was clear as day we needed to.

We didn’t add any players that would counter anything the nuggets do.

Results. 7th seed playin 1st round chum.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 8:39 am    Post subject:

we need a younger javale mcgee at worst. i'll take a "new shaq", but that doesn't exist. SOMEONE has to be able to bang with joker, embiid, KAT, etc. i'd love for AD to play more PF, his natural position.

we can't lose dlo for nothing. so we need to resign him. if there's a trade partner that pops up during next season, then so be it.

and i love me some AR15, but he's kinda of a cusp starter/bench player. i like my "non kobe shooting guards" to be about byron scott level. austin doesn't suck, but he's not Byron. can he get there?
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 9:35 am    Post subject:

kfkilla wrote:
Just saying, who do y’all prefer of not Dlo at ~20M? It’s easy to say Dlo sucks and we need someone better! That’s just grass is greener talk. Who? Spida?

Assuming we can even get him, I doubt that we can, you will have

AD
Bron
Cam
Spida
Skyler

If you’re lucky for 25% of the time. Otherwise you will have

Heys
Bron
Cam
Spida
Skyler

Or

AD
Bron
Cam
Max Lewis
Skyler

Or even worse since 2 or all 3 of those guys can get injured too. Y’all think that’s a better team?


We all know having Dlo cap out our ceiling and that’s a play in team and playff sacrificial lambs. No such thing as this time its different. We need to try something new if we want our team to be have a better chance.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 9:39 am    Post subject:

Halflife wrote:
Reds622 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Of course they will pretty much run it back. Lebron and AD are still selling tickets and Pelinka gave two year deals to guys who aren’t tradable. Management needs to keep revenue coming in and another trip to the play ins will do that.


This poster thinks the Lakers aren’t trying to win and they just want to make money.

Cynical? Obviously.

Stupidity? Well, we all know the answer to that question.

Why not give an argument to the contrary. Facts show that we signed guys that no other teams wanted. Teams with seemingly better coaches.

We didn’t make the team better at the deadline when it was clear as day we needed to.

We didn’t add any players that would counter anything the nuggets do.

Results. 7th seed playin 1st round chum.


My prophecy was fulfilled this season and it’s disappointing. I knew we have to make a move on the deadline. So we wasted AD healthy season and last cusp of greatness of Lebron albeit in limited window believing things will be different.
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Halflife wrote:
Reds622 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Of course they will pretty much run it back. Lebron and AD are still selling tickets and Pelinka gave two year deals to guys who aren’t tradable. Management needs to keep revenue coming in and another trip to the play ins will do that.


This poster thinks the Lakers aren’t trying to win and they just want to make money.

Cynical? Obviously.

Stupidity? Well, we all know the answer to that question.

Why not give an argument to the contrary. Facts show that we signed guys that no other teams wanted. Teams with seemingly better coaches.

We didn’t make the team better at the deadline when it was clear as day we needed to.

We didn’t add any players that would counter anything the nuggets do.

Results. 7th seed playin 1st round chum.


They could have done better than Vincent, Prince, Hayes? Those seem like decent pickups for what the Lakers options were at the time. Probably could have grabbed someone bigger instead of Hayes.. not sure who that would have been though.

They tried for months to try and swing a deal at the deadline and improve the team. No one was available. They tried to get Murray from Atlanta but Atlanta reportedly wanted Reaves. Would you have done that?

It’s laughable to say Pelinka just wants a play in roster. Most pundits, not saying they are always right because they obviously are not, liked what the Lakers did over the summer.

It’s always easy in hindsight to say they should have done x. Should they have given Brooklyn whatever they wanted for Irving? Maybe. Not sure they would have dealt him to LA anyways.

Pelinka has tried to improve the team without gutting the roster and trading all of their picks. He knows they really only have 1 big move to make pushing all of their chips into the middle of the table and they have to get it right. Most likely that move is coming this summer.

To say the Lakers want to be a play in team is LAUGHABLE.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 10:40 am    Post subject:

Reds622 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
Reds622 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Of course they will pretty much run it back. Lebron and AD are still selling tickets and Pelinka gave two year deals to guys who aren’t tradable. Management needs to keep revenue coming in and another trip to the play ins will do that.


This poster thinks the Lakers aren’t trying to win and they just want to make money.

Cynical? Obviously.

Stupidity? Well, we all know the answer to that question.

Why not give an argument to the contrary. Facts show that we signed guys that no other teams wanted. Teams with seemingly better coaches.

We didn’t make the team better at the deadline when it was clear as day we needed to.

We didn’t add any players that would counter anything the nuggets do.

Results. 7th seed playin 1st round chum.


They could have done better than Vincent, Prince, Hayes? Those seem like decent pickups for what the Lakers options were at the time. Probably could have grabbed someone bigger instead of Hayes.. not sure who that would have been though.

They tried for months to try and swing a deal at the deadline and improve the team. No one was available. They tried to get Murray from Atlanta but Atlanta reportedly wanted Reaves. Would you have done that?

It’s laughable to say Pelinka just wants a play in roster. Most pundits, not saying they are always right because they obviously are not, liked what the Lakers did over the summer.

It’s always easy in hindsight to say they should have done x. Should they have given Brooklyn whatever they wanted for Irving? Maybe. Not sure they would have dealt him to LA anyways.

Pelinka has tried to improve the team without gutting the roster and trading all of their picks. He knows they really only have 1 big move to make pushing all of their chips into the middle of the table and they have to get it right. Most likely that move is coming this summer.

To say the Lakers want to be a play in team is LAUGHABLE.

Hayes did absolutely nothing to warrant being signed.
Prince. Ok. But he’s a guy you sign when you have a plethora of talent.
Gabe had some good playoff games and some bad. Riley/spolstra didn’t think enough to keep him.

Rob is delusional about how good AD/bron are. He seems to think the bubble is the norm. Now we know what a healthy Ad/bron net us.

I like reaves but if we can get better by moving him then see ya. Was he the difference in getting us Murray?

Wood? I said when he was signed that it was trash. Again another dude no one wanted. According to Zach Lowe Kidd was vocal about not wanting him.

DLo a guy we had a pretty good sample size of, who was seemingly gone at deadline wasn’t.

Rob has no idea how to evaluate talent and needs.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 10:47 am    Post subject: Re: RUN IT BACK!

miggz23 wrote:
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Keep the same team and replace DLo. Get a big to deal with Denver then we'd be unstoppable again. Lebron is still the best go-to guy. AD would own 26 of the 29 teams out there without a true center.


3rd option comparison...

MPJ: 22.8p/8.4r/1.2a/1.2stls with 55%-49%-77% splits
DLO: 14.2p/2.8r/4.2a/.8stls with 38%-32%-50% splits

Lebron/AD closed the gap on that by outscoring Jokic/Murray. We're not asking DLO to play out of his mind, but similar to WCF last year. If he played at least his season average we're probably be up 3-2 right now, and going to game 6.

Even if DLO is still on this team, Lakers need a better 3rd option next year.


One was being guarded primarily by Rui Hachimura

The other was being guarded primarily by KCP

The organization of the offense meant offball screens to free up MPJ, or some of our stupid double teams off of shooters like MPJ thanks to our great defensive game plan.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 11:02 am    Post subject:

People asking who we would replace DLo. The answer is what are the options.
If it’s a S&t can we add other players?
Or
Can reavers+pick get us an upgrade and move dlo for someone else.

If dlo is as good as we can get we know our fate and exactly what he will bring. Except a year older.

This team is void of quality guys.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 11:12 am    Post subject:

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

Lakers are stuck because the core is LBJ + AD with an assortment of spare parts. They gotta hit on either a miracle trade (DLO and filler for Kyrie/Dame/Mitchell) or somehow draft the next Kobe to change the script.

Any sort of Re-shuffling isnt' going to get the Lakers past a complete team such as Denver or those green bastards in the East - its really just buying false hope/time on the LBJ farewall tour...
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 11:12 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
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MJST wrote:
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Regular season stats are irrelevant.


Regular season stats are what get you to the post season.


Not really.


Yes really.

We do not make the Playoffs this season without DLO being the 3rd option he was for us.

Regular season success is what gets teams to the Playoffs. Trying to pretend otherwise is silly.


We also do not fall in that hole we did if in Hams own words which were accurate, he doesn’t play like (bleep) for a 10 game stretch in December before being benched. He won the tourney, talked (bleep) to Brown, and fell off a cliff like he had proven himself and was horrible. If he played average for that stretch it’s a 50 win team but he didn’t.

Whether you like it or not, AD and Bron were their numbers and translated to the playoffs. Reaves was his averages from the season in the playoffs while defending Murray.


Dlo couldn’t keep his averages. He played better than the trash he was last year vs Denver, but he just like in Brooklyn and Minnesota fell off and couldn’t bring his averages to the playoffs yet again. And don’t give me the bs about usage, because his usage level was the same from the season to the playoffs, Bron nor AD nor Reaves took usage from him, they took it from the bench and he kept his usage rate. He just under performed.

Rui is right there with him too in the same boat of you played worse than your averages for this series and you are a huge reason for the loss. Rui and Dlo didn’t even have to play above their averages to beat the nuggets, they just had to play at them, but neither did and they lost 2 games by 2 points
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 11:21 am    Post subject:

I would run it back minus Ham. Seems like a good guy, I just don't think he is a good coach at all. We won't have our first round pick next season, so it doesn't make since to start a rebuild anyway. We need to add a legit center with size and toughness as well.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 12:13 pm    Post subject:

I think running it back makes the most sense. This team was unstoppable once injuries forced Ham to play their best players. LeBron and AD proved they could stay healthy all season and the production from the role players was unreal, they almost always had 2-3 guys who were hot from 3 and in general, they simply didn’t miss shots until they had a comfortable lead and started playing lazy.

In the playoffs, the supporting cast started missing the shots they were automatic on for the 2nd half of the season but to be fair, Denver shot awful in the series too and no one is talking about breaking them up.

I don’t know how realistic it is to expect another season like this one where all of their best players are healthy all season but they ended this season in an extremely close series against the only team in the NBA who could beat them. A couple shots going either way was the difference between losing in the 1st round and likely winning a championship. I don’t know know if there are any simple tweaks that can be made that greatly improve their chances but firing Stu Lantz might be the answer. We never know
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 12:18 pm    Post subject:

Kblo247! wrote:
MJST wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
MJST wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
Regular season stats are irrelevant.


Regular season stats are what get you to the post season.


Not really.


Yes really.

We do not make the Playoffs this season without DLO being the 3rd option he was for us.

Regular season success is what gets teams to the Playoffs. Trying to pretend otherwise is silly.


We also do not fall in that hole we did if in Hams own words which were accurate, he doesn’t play like (bleep) for a 10 game stretch in December before being benched. He won the tourney, talked (bleep) to Brown, and fell off a cliff like he had proven himself and was horrible. If he played average for that stretch it’s a 50 win team but he didn’t.

Whether you like it or not, AD and Bron were their numbers and translated to the playoffs. Reaves was his averages from the season in the playoffs while defending Murray.


Dlo couldn’t keep his averages. He played better than the trash he was last year vs Denver, but he just like in Brooklyn and Minnesota fell off and couldn’t bring his averages to the playoffs yet again. And don’t give me the bs about usage, because his usage level was the same from the season to the playoffs, Bron nor AD nor Reaves took usage from him, they took it from the bench and he kept his usage rate. He just under performed.

Rui is right there with him too in the same boat of you played worse than your averages for this series and you are a huge reason for the loss. Rui and Dlo didn’t even have to play above their averages to beat the nuggets, they just had to play at them, but neither did and they lost 2 games by 2 points


Since you want to hate sooooo bad..well simple question..who you want to replace him with?
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 1:02 pm    Post subject:

JustaObserver wrote:
Kblo247! wrote:
MJST wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
MJST wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
Regular season stats are irrelevant.


Regular season stats are what get you to the post season.


Not really.


Yes really.

We do not make the Playoffs this season without DLO being the 3rd option he was for us.

Regular season success is what gets teams to the Playoffs. Trying to pretend otherwise is silly.


We also do not fall in that hole we did if in Hams own words which were accurate, he doesn’t play like (bleep) for a 10 game stretch in December before being benched. He won the tourney, talked (bleep) to Brown, and fell off a cliff like he had proven himself and was horrible. If he played average for that stretch it’s a 50 win team but he didn’t.

Whether you like it or not, AD and Bron were their numbers and translated to the playoffs. Reaves was his averages from the season in the playoffs while defending Murray.


Dlo couldn’t keep his averages. He played better than the trash he was last year vs Denver, but he just like in Brooklyn and Minnesota fell off and couldn’t bring his averages to the playoffs yet again. And don’t give me the bs about usage, because his usage level was the same from the season to the playoffs, Bron nor AD nor Reaves took usage from him, they took it from the bench and he kept his usage rate. He just under performed.

Rui is right there with him too in the same boat of you played worse than your averages for this series and you are a huge reason for the loss. Rui and Dlo didn’t even have to play above their averages to beat the nuggets, they just had to play at them, but neither did and they lost 2 games by 2 points


Since you want to hate sooooo bad..well simple question..who you want to replace him with?


I’ll take DJM or Trae. Atlanta’s GM is part of the Klutch family, maybe Pelinka can work out a fair trade.

I would work with DLO’s agent, to see where he wants to go. He can be included in a 3-way trade.
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Why does it have to be DLO for a Pg? How about use Dlo as bait to upgrade period. Bron is our pg. hypothetically- dlow for miles bridges.
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CRoost wrote:
kfkilla wrote:
Just saying, who do y’all prefer of not Dlo at ~20M? It’s easy to say Dlo sucks and we need someone better! That’s just grass is greener talk. Who? Spida?

Assuming we can even get him, I doubt that we can, you will have

AD
Bron
Cam
Spida
Skyler

If you’re lucky for 25% of the time. Otherwise you will have

Heys
Bron
Cam
Spida
Skyler

Or

AD
Bron
Cam
Max Lewis
Skyler

Or even worse since 2 or all 3 of those guys can get injured too. Y’all think that’s a better team?


We all know having Dlo cap out our ceiling and that’s a play in team and playff sacrificial lambs. No such thing as this time its different. We need to try something new if we want our team to be have a better chance.



Everyone knows that if Ham didn't waste mid December to mid January screwing the lineups and punting that portion of the season that the Lakers would have been a 50+ win team this year.

Halflife wrote:
Why does it have to be DLO for a Pg? How about use Dlo as bait to upgrade period. Bron is our pg. hypothetically- dlow for miles bridges.


Bron's not a reliable full time point guard anymore and gr hasn't been for years. There's a reason why whenever he tried to take over the offense other teams got back into games.
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MJST wrote:
CRoost wrote:
kfkilla wrote:
Just saying, who do y’all prefer of not Dlo at ~20M? It’s easy to say Dlo sucks and we need someone better! That’s just grass is greener talk. Who? Spida?

Assuming we can even get him, I doubt that we can, you will have

AD
Bron
Cam
Spida
Skyler

If you’re lucky for 25% of the time. Otherwise you will have

Heys
Bron
Cam
Spida
Skyler

Or

AD
Bron
Cam
Max Lewis
Skyler

Or even worse since 2 or all 3 of those guys can get injured too. Y’all think that’s a better team?


We all know having Dlo cap out our ceiling and that’s a play in team and playff sacrificial lambs. No such thing as this time its different. We need to try something new if we want our team to be have a better chance.



Everyone knows that if Ham didn't waste mid December to mid January screwing the lineups and punting that portion of the season that the Lakers would have been a 50+ win team this year.

Halflife wrote:
Why does it have to be DLO for a Pg? How about use Dlo as bait to upgrade period. Bron is our pg. hypothetically- dlow for miles bridges.


Bron's not a reliable full time point guard anymore and gr hasn't been for years. There's a reason why whenever he tried to take over the offense other teams got back into games.

Regardless he’s not giving up the ball. He doesn’t see the other teams getting back in the game as a him problem. This is one reason why our next coach will be fired in a year or 2.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2024 1:50 pm    Post subject:

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Why does it have to be DLO for a Pg? How about use Dlo as bait to upgrade period. Bron is our pg. hypothetically- dlow for miles bridges.


Why would they want Dlo for Miles B I if Dlo is not it? Miles B is an up and coming player. Why would they do that?

Also have you been watching or paying attention? Ever since BRON has been here we have been bending over backwards to get him a PG because HE DOESNT WANT TO PLAY PG FULL TIME. It’s why the entire RW thing happened. And DS the year before.

The alternative ideas are lacking. All I see is complaining without having any real idea on what to do. No reason to go back and forth.
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Halflife wrote:
MJST wrote:
CRoost wrote:
kfkilla wrote:
Just saying, who do y’all prefer of not Dlo at ~20M? It’s easy to say Dlo sucks and we need someone better! That’s just grass is greener talk. Who? Spida?

Assuming we can even get him, I doubt that we can, you will have

AD
Bron
Cam
Spida
Skyler

If you’re lucky for 25% of the time. Otherwise you will have

Heys
Bron
Cam
Spida
Skyler

Or

AD
Bron
Cam
Max Lewis
Skyler

Or even worse since 2 or all 3 of those guys can get injured too. Y’all think that’s a better team?


We all know having Dlo cap out our ceiling and that’s a play in team and playff sacrificial lambs. No such thing as this time its different. We need to try something new if we want our team to be have a better chance.



Everyone knows that if Ham didn't waste mid December to mid January screwing the lineups and punting that portion of the season that the Lakers would have been a 50+ win team this year.

Halflife wrote:
Why does it have to be DLO for a Pg? How about use Dlo as bait to upgrade period. Bron is our pg. hypothetically- dlow for miles bridges.


Bron's not a reliable full time point guard anymore and gr hasn't been for years. There's a reason why whenever he tried to take over the offense other teams got back into games.

Regardless he’s not giving up the ball. He doesn’t see the other teams getting back in the game as a him problem. This is one reason why our next coach will be fired in a year or 2.


Thats another reason why LeBron shouldn't play point guard. LeBron s for LeBron.

I hope phoenix drafts Bronny and the Lakers sign and trade LeBron for KD. At least KD wants the role LeBron scoffs at and Phoenix will let LeBron play as much point guard as he wants wit his two stars Booker and Beal :p
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kfkilla wrote:
Just saying, who do y’all prefer of not Dlo at ~20M? It’s easy to say Dlo sucks and we need someone better! That’s just grass is greener talk. Who? Spida?

Assuming we can even get him, I doubt that we can, you will have

AD
Bron
Cam
Spida
Skyler

If you’re lucky for 25% of the time. Otherwise you will have

Heys
Bron
Cam
Spida
Skyler

Or

AD
Bron
Cam
Max Lewis
Skyler

Or even worse since 2 or all 3 of those guys can get injured too. Y’all think that’s a better team?


We all know having Dlo cap out our ceiling and that’s a play in team and playff sacrificial lambs. No such thing as this time its different. We need to try something new if we want our team to be have a better chance.



Everyone knows that if Ham didn't waste mid December to mid January screwing the lineups and punting that portion of the season that the Lakers would have been a 50+ win team this year.


Does not change a thing. We still not winning with Dlo. No team has ever won anything with him . If the Lakers is all about winning, Dlo ain’t IT. Lol 50 plus wins. You got 2 ATG playing on a high level and you got a liability delivering doughnut when it matters. Then coach has to use a player that has physical limitation because his backcourt mate is unreliable. That’s not a winning team .
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