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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:43 pm Post subject:
CandyCanes wrote:
dont_be_a_wuss wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
How are there this many positive cases among the fully vaccinated?
Different viruses are different. The flu vaccine is only most effective for the first 6 months. Usually the flu shot comes available in September, but flu season doesn’t start getting bad until December. If you look up when you should take a flu shot, you might find some results saying elderly people shouldn’t take the flu vaccine too early because it can end up waring off late in the flu season.
Covid may need to be fought similar to the flu, where we try to find the most popular strains each year and have everybody take a yearly vaccine against those expected strains just before the winter season.
If these players don’t have boosters, immunity might have already waned, which is very common in vaccines, like the flu vaccine.
So why did they claim 95% effectiveness at first? Was that against the original strain with peak immunity (no waning), or was it just bad methodology?
The 95% figure is preventing "symptomatic illness" against the OG strain in a controlled group.
Original Coronavirus had an R0 value of around 2.5 (on average each case infects 2.5 others)
Delta has an R0 value between 6 and 9
Omicron's Very early R0 is being quoted at around 10-30 which would put it similar to Mumps on the low end and Measles in the middle.
If you question the effectiveness of the Vaccine against the OG strain, look at the daily death chart when Delta arrived in the US (mid-July '21)
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:44 pm Post subject:
LakersRGolden wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
dont_be_a_wuss wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
How are there this many positive cases among the fully vaccinated?
Different viruses are different. The flu vaccine is only most effective for the first 6 months. Usually the flu shot comes available in September, but flu season doesn’t start getting bad until December. If you look up when you should take a flu shot, you might find some results saying elderly people shouldn’t take the flu vaccine too early because it can end up waring off late in the flu season.
Covid may need to be fought similar to the flu, where we try to find the most popular strains each year and have everybody take a yearly vaccine against those expected strains just before the winter season.
If these players don’t have boosters, immunity might have already waned, which is very common in vaccines, like the flu vaccine.
So why did they claim 95% effectiveness at first? Was that against the original strain with peak immunity (no waning), or was it just bad methodology?
The 95% figure is preventing "symptomatic illness" against the OG strain in a controlled group.
Original Coronavirus had an R0 value of around 2.5 (on average each case infects 2.5 others)
Delta has an R0 value between 6 and 9
Omicron's Very early R0 is being quoted at around 10-30 which would put it similar to Mumps on the low end and Measles in the middle.
If you question the effectiveness of the Vaccine against the OG strain, look at the daily death chart when Delta arrived in the US (mid-July '21)
Oh… So the vaccines don’t actually prevent infection at all, they just lessen the severity?… I keep hearing conflicting information on this. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:06 pm Post subject:
CandyCanes wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
dont_be_a_wuss wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
How are there this many positive cases among the fully vaccinated?
Different viruses are different. The flu vaccine is only most effective for the first 6 months. Usually the flu shot comes available in September, but flu season doesn’t start getting bad until December. If you look up when you should take a flu shot, you might find some results saying elderly people shouldn’t take the flu vaccine too early because it can end up waring off late in the flu season.
Covid may need to be fought similar to the flu, where we try to find the most popular strains each year and have everybody take a yearly vaccine against those expected strains just before the winter season.
If these players don’t have boosters, immunity might have already waned, which is very common in vaccines, like the flu vaccine.
So why did they claim 95% effectiveness at first? Was that against the original strain with peak immunity (no waning), or was it just bad methodology?
The 95% figure is preventing "symptomatic illness" against the OG strain in a controlled group.
Original Coronavirus had an R0 value of around 2.5 (on average each case infects 2.5 others)
Delta has an R0 value between 6 and 9
Omicron's Very early R0 is being quoted at around 10-30 which would put it similar to Mumps on the low end and Measles in the middle.
If you question the effectiveness of the Vaccine against the OG strain, look at the daily death chart when Delta arrived in the US (mid-July '21)
Oh… So the vaccines don’t actually prevent infection at all, they just lessen the severity?… I keep hearing conflicting information on this.
They do lessen the chance you become infected. And they lessen the chance you get really sick or die if you become infected. No vaccine "prevents" an outcome, just like a condoms and pills don't "prevent" pregnancy - they just change the odds.
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Sources: The NBA’s first known player case of the Omicron variant was discovered in a recent positive COVID-19 test. The CDC estimates the new variant is now three percent of US cases.
Can one of our knowledgeable medical/science folks chime in?
It's my understanding it through the legit sources that I'm trying to keep up with so no blogs or YouTube or anything like that but obviously I'm also not privy to science journals, it's my understanding that the Omnicron variant is more contagious but less potent. And if so isn't that what we want don't we want a virus to keep mutating weaker? Some learned thoughts on this would be appreciated.
I’m no expert in this stuff but my hope from the beginning was that this would turn into something more manageable, whether it was from treatments/vaccines, immunity, or a gradual weakening of the virus.
When the virus is alive and replicating itself, it sometimes generates inexact copies. I assume most of those “variants” are flawed and die out instantly but other times, they have characteristics that make the virus more viable. So the variants that spread more easily and/or don’t kill their host will ultimately be more successful in sticking around. But since these changes aren’t intelligent and happen more by chance, we could still see stronger variants emerge as well. But I’m hoping for the best.
Great answer. Recent reporting is finding that omicron can replicate 70x faster than original covid in the mouth and throat. And can spread faster. The faster it replicates, the higher chance of a mutation (mistake in replication) that ends up being a beneficial mistake. If replications randomly maintain vaccine avoidance while increasing illness severity, we will take a few steps back in controlling the virus.
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Now that some Laker game sudden recovery syndrome right there LOL
LOL. That's balanced out by ANT getting stuck in the protocol in preparation for tonight's game though LOL. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit)
Malik Monk out again, in protocol still.
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How are there this many positive cases among the fully vaccinated?
Different viruses are different. The flu vaccine is only most effective for the first 6 months. Usually the flu shot comes available in September, but flu season doesn’t start getting bad until December. If you look up when you should take a flu shot, you might find some results saying elderly people shouldn’t take the flu vaccine too early because it can end up waring off late in the flu season.
Covid may need to be fought similar to the flu, where we try to find the most popular strains each year and have everybody take a yearly vaccine against those expected strains just before the winter season.
If these players don’t have boosters, immunity might have already waned, which is very common in vaccines, like the flu vaccine.
So why did they claim 95% effectiveness at first? Was that against the original strain with peak immunity (no waning), or was it just bad methodology?
The 95% figure is preventing "symptomatic illness" against the OG strain in a controlled group.
Original Coronavirus had an R0 value of around 2.5 (on average each case infects 2.5 others)
Delta has an R0 value between 6 and 9
Omicron's Very early R0 is being quoted at around 10-30 which would put it similar to Mumps on the low end and Measles in the middle.
If you question the effectiveness of the Vaccine against the OG strain, look at the daily death chart when Delta arrived in the US (mid-July '21)
Yes Omicron is definitely changing the game. Look at the website you quoted: two places where Omicron has become prevalent is the UK and South Africa
South Africa went from a few hundred COVID cases a day to 30-40K and UK went from around 60K to 90K in less than a week.
Here in the USA COVID cases are rising but it is mostly Delta. If Omicron becomes prevalent, it would be a lot lot worse.
As far as the NBA, the hope is this doesn't become a big problem but it could. One of the purposes of restrictions is to not overwhelm the health care system. Omicron may actually be less severe than Delta...but the problem is because it is so much more transmittable, it could cause a greater number of severe cases and hospitalizations. So if that happens, the hospitals get overwhelmed..mass gathering events like NBA games may be restricted again..even if you require masks and vaccination, vaccinated people can spread it to each other and they have to take off masks to eat. Than they can spread it to unvaccinated people who may than end up in the hospital contributing to capacity issues.
So if they happen, I would see the NBA or the general public requiring restrictions on capacity at the games and/or more restrictions on players like not leaving hotels and the like. Because if players keep getting COVID, eventually there won't be a lot of players to play the games.
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:49 am Post subject:
lar9149 wrote:
I hear now Kylie Irving and Kevin Durant in Covid protocol
Yeah but Kyrie is in so he can start being tested because the Nets are going to let him play the away games. So he hast to get five negative tests in a row in order to be activated and then he'll be tested regularly before games.
Are they testing every body daily vaccinated/unvaccinated? At this point, if they want to finish the season, they should be testing symptomatic only. Can’t have these many players in protocol and not think it has spread thru out the whole league.
The Cleveland Cavaliers have a Covid outbreak on their roster and fears exist that they will struggle to have the league's minimum eight players available to play vs. Atlanta tonight, sources tell ESPN. Five players tested positive this morning.
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