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mad55557777
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| 32 wrote: | | If Lebron opts out next year and retires do the Lakers get $52M in cap space? |
I don’t know why you would think lebron is leaving money on the table. |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | So, in summary, we can't trade for LaVine and/or DeRozan, right? |
LaVine is under contract, so yes, you can trade for him. However, DeRozan is a free agent, so he would have to be acquired via sign-and-trade, which is still theoretically possible but it's not going to happen. To get back down to the first apron (which you're hard-capped at if you take in a player via sign-and-trade), now that LeBron is taking his max or close to it, you'd have to dump enough salary to get to that first apron number. So yeah, DeRozan is off the table. |
If you want to get technical, Lebron’s contract is not official until July 6th… Rob can still make something happen to convince Lebron. Derozan is still possible. |
Lebron still has a cap hold that we would have to relinquish, or have Bron sign to a lower deal first, to be able to do a sign and trade. With his current cap hold, and Bronny not being in the books, we are just under the second apron and can aggregate outgoing players in a trade for a higher salary player. But it would hard cap us and LeBron wouldn’t get his max. Or bronny can’t be signed, etc. something would have to give. |
Nothing is official until the contract are signed. Lebron’s contrac can still be reconstructed if needed. How can Lebron’s contract have a caphold already if it’s not official yet? |
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| Aphex Twin wrote: | | lakersfan32 wrote: | | lakers have a chance at wcs, not wcj |
How would they get WCS without a roster spot for him? |
They'd have to salary dump Hayes or someone with some 2nds. But there's also the issue of whether Willie Cauley-Stein has to give his two weeks notice at Petco or can just join the Lakers immediately. |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | So, in summary, we can't trade for LaVine and/or DeRozan, right? |
LaVine is under contract, so yes, you can trade for him. However, DeRozan is a free agent, so he would have to be acquired via sign-and-trade, which is still theoretically possible but it's not going to happen. To get back down to the first apron (which you're hard-capped at if you take in a player via sign-and-trade), now that LeBron is taking his max or close to it, you'd have to dump enough salary to get to that first apron number. So yeah, DeRozan is off the table. |
If you want to get technical, Lebron’s contract is not official until July 6th… Rob can still make something happen to convince Lebron. Derozan is still possible. |
Lebron still has a cap hold that we would have to relinquish, or have Bron sign to a lower deal first, to be able to do a sign and trade. With his current cap hold, and Bronny not being in the books, we are just under the second apron and can aggregate outgoing players in a trade for a higher salary player. But it would hard cap us and LeBron wouldn’t get his max. Or bronny can’t be signed, etc. something would have to give. |
Nothing is official until the contract are signed. Lebron’s contrac can still be reconstructed if needed. How can Lebron’s contract have a caphold already if it’s not official yet? |
All free agents have a cap hold. That’s how we are allowed to go over the cap to sign him. |
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mad55557777
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| BEazy wrote: | | Hawks got our pick and I'm sure they're jumping up and down with excitement. |
Why would they? We might not be better than last year, but this team is a playoff team, it is not the Westbrook version. This team as currently constructed is not getting a high lottery pick for the hawks. The only way they should be celebrating is if lebron signed elsewhere |
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| I would not be surprised if the Lakers hold onto their picks unless they can get a bonafide star midseason. They need a post-Lebron plan and possibly soon if he retires at the end of the season or goes to a team where he has a chance to win. They know an AD-only team is not even a play-in team. They need all the assets they can to get whoever they can to fill the Lebron void. Ideally someone who tells them what to do. |
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dont_be_a_wuss
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| 32 wrote: | | If Lebron opts out next year and retires do the Lakers get $52M in cap space? |
I have them in the neighborhood of $30M if they let JHS walk (team option). |
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miggz23
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | So, in summary, we can't trade for LaVine and/or DeRozan, right? |
LaVine is under contract, so yes, you can trade for him. However, DeRozan is a free agent, so he would have to be acquired via sign-and-trade, which is still theoretically possible but it's not going to happen. To get back down to the first apron (which you're hard-capped at if you take in a player via sign-and-trade), now that LeBron is taking his max or close to it, you'd have to dump enough salary to get to that first apron number. So yeah, DeRozan is off the table. |
If you want to get technical, Lebron’s contract is not official until July 6th… Rob can still make something happen to convince Lebron. Derozan is still possible. |
Lebron still has a cap hold that we would have to relinquish, or have Bron sign to a lower deal first, to be able to do a sign and trade. With his current cap hold, and Bronny not being in the books, we are just under the second apron and can aggregate outgoing players in a trade for a higher salary player. But it would hard cap us and LeBron wouldn’t get his max. Or bronny can’t be signed, etc. something would have to give. |
Nothing is official until the contract are signed. Lebron’s contrac can still be reconstructed if needed. How can Lebron’s contract have a caphold already if it’s not official yet? |
All free agents have a cap hold. That’s how we are allowed to go over the cap to sign him. |
It’s the same as before they announce he was taking the max. Contract can still be reconstructed. That same caphold didnt prevent the Lakers from opening up the mle and get under the apron. |
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dont_be_a_wuss
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| miggz23 wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | So, in summary, we can't trade for LaVine and/or DeRozan, right? |
LaVine is under contract, so yes, you can trade for him. However, DeRozan is a free agent, so he would have to be acquired via sign-and-trade, which is still theoretically possible but it's not going to happen. To get back down to the first apron (which you're hard-capped at if you take in a player via sign-and-trade), now that LeBron is taking his max or close to it, you'd have to dump enough salary to get to that first apron number. So yeah, DeRozan is off the table. |
If you want to get technical, Lebron’s contract is not official until July 6th… Rob can still make something happen to convince Lebron. Derozan is still possible. |
Lebron still has a cap hold that we would have to relinquish, or have Bron sign to a lower deal first, to be able to do a sign and trade. With his current cap hold, and Bronny not being in the books, we are just under the second apron and can aggregate outgoing players in a trade for a higher salary player. But it would hard cap us and LeBron wouldn’t get his max. Or bronny can’t be signed, etc. something would have to give. |
Nothing is official until the contract are signed. Lebron’s contrac can still be reconstructed if needed. How can Lebron’s contract have a caphold already if it’s not official yet? |
All free agents have a cap hold. That’s how we are allowed to go over the cap to sign him. |
It’s the same as before they announce he was taking the max. Contract can still be reconstructed. That same caphold didnt prevent the Lakers from opening up the mle and get under the apron. |
LeBron would've had to take the lower salary first, then we would have the ability to sign the MLE player. And we can agree to that timeline with the free agents beforehand. But now LeBron and the lakers have already agreed to a max. LeBron has to sign a lower salary contract, or we have to renounce his bird rights to get under the 1st apron. |
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Pelinka was like, I will draft your son, but that will be your free agent pick up Legramps.
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miggz23
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | So, in summary, we can't trade for LaVine and/or DeRozan, right? |
LaVine is under contract, so yes, you can trade for him. However, DeRozan is a free agent, so he would have to be acquired via sign-and-trade, which is still theoretically possible but it's not going to happen. To get back down to the first apron (which you're hard-capped at if you take in a player via sign-and-trade), now that LeBron is taking his max or close to it, you'd have to dump enough salary to get to that first apron number. So yeah, DeRozan is off the table. |
If you want to get technical, Lebron’s contract is not official until July 6th… Rob can still make something happen to convince Lebron. Derozan is still possible. |
Lebron still has a cap hold that we would have to relinquish, or have Bron sign to a lower deal first, to be able to do a sign and trade. With his current cap hold, and Bronny not being in the books, we are just under the second apron and can aggregate outgoing players in a trade for a higher salary player. But it would hard cap us and LeBron wouldn’t get his max. Or bronny can’t be signed, etc. something would have to give. |
Nothing is official until the contract are signed. Lebron’s contrac can still be reconstructed if needed. How can Lebron’s contract have a caphold already if it’s not official yet? |
All free agents have a cap hold. That’s how we are allowed to go over the cap to sign him. |
It’s the same as before they announce he was taking the max. Contract can still be reconstructed. That same caphold didnt prevent the Lakers from opening up the mle and get under the apron. |
LeBron would've had to take the lower salary first, then we would have the ability to sign the MLE player. And we can agree to that timeline with the free agents beforehand. But now LeBron and the lakers have already agreed to a max. LeBron has to sign a lower salary contract, or we have to renounce his bird rights to get under the 1st apron. |
Did we have his bird right when he opted out? If yes, like I said there’s no difference when they announce his taking the max. Right now its just an announcement like him taking a paycut. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | If Lebron opts out next year and retires do the Lakers get $52M in cap space? |
I don’t know why you would think lebron is leaving money on the table. |
Yea but I can see a couple scenarios where he would want to retire. One would be a serious season ending injury. Second would be he is physically tired of the grind.
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | BEazy wrote: | | Trevor Lane is saying Lakers failed. I agree... |
In knecht we trust? |
What's going to suck is that Knecht might ball out and become Rookie of the Year and then the narrative will be how brilliant everyone is even though it will be in spite of our stupidity, as opposed to because of our vision.
Same as when we won the bubble title after overpaying for AD.
People still think we were geniuses when we could have signed AD the following year for free.
As always, I root for us to win the title, but if we win, it will because we were lucky not because of good decision making. |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | If Lebron opts out next year and retires do the Lakers get $52M in cap space? |
I have them in the neighborhood of $30M if they let JHS walk (team option). |
Thanks that's a nice chunk of change.
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| Quote: | .@wojespn on the Lakers’ remaining offseason strategy:
- Los Angeles will be making moves on the edges, including veteran’s minimum signings.
- The Lakers are not interested in including draft picks to salary dump contracts.
- Internally, they believe the three stars model doesn’t work anymore within the new CBA. |
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The Boston Celtics have 5 players making 30 mil or more, think about that |
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mad55557777
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| 32 wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | If Lebron opts out next year and retires do the Lakers get $52M in cap space? |
I don’t know why you would think lebron is leaving money on the table. |
Yea but I can see a couple scenarios where he would want to retire. One would be a serious season ending injury. Second would be he is physically tired of the grind. |
He would not forfeit the second year no matter what, trust me |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | Quote: | .@wojespn on the Lakers’ remaining offseason strategy:
- Los Angeles will be making moves on the edges, including veteran’s minimum signings.
- The Lakers are not interested in including draft picks to salary dump contracts.
- Internally, they believe the three stars model doesn’t work anymore within the new CBA. |
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The Boston Celtics have 5 players making 30 mil or more, think about that |
Ok well there won’t be any vet min signings until they trade guys for roster spots and I’m not sure teams are taking our junk for free so…
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | Quote: | .@wojespn on the Lakers’ remaining offseason strategy:
- Los Angeles will be making moves on the edges, including veteran’s minimum signings.
- The Lakers are not interested in including draft picks to salary dump contracts.
- Internally, they believe the three stars model doesn’t work anymore within the new CBA. |
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The Boston Celtics have 5 players making 30 mil or more, think about that |
Its temporary... they are in the window right now. It will go away very soon. They will have to decide who to keep and who to get rid of. The salary cap is a mofo. |
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| Quote: | | Free agent F Joe Ingles has agreed on a one-year deal to join the Minnesota Timberwolves, sources tell ESPN. Ingles reunites with his old Jazz teammates Rudy Gobert and Mike Conley Jr. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 11:31 am Post subject: |
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OK lets pull the trigger on the LaVine+1 FRP trade! Then go get Lauri+Kessler
Bulls get:
Gabe
Vano
DLO
Jazz get:
Rui
JHS
Hayes
BOTH Lakers FRPs
Bulls FRP from taking on LaVine
Take off Protection from the pick they own of ours.
Any 2nds they want
Lakers get:
Lauri
LaVine
Kessler
Can do all of this and Bron signs a little under max to allow it to happen! |
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mad55557777
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| defense wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Quote: | .@wojespn on the Lakers’ remaining offseason strategy:
- Los Angeles will be making moves on the edges, including veteran’s minimum signings.
- The Lakers are not interested in including draft picks to salary dump contracts.
- Internally, they believe the three stars model doesn’t work anymore within the new CBA. |
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The Boston Celtics have 5 players making 30 mil or more, think about that |
It’s temporary... they are in the window right now. It will go away very soon. They will have to decide who to keep and who to get rid of. The salary cap is a mofo. |
Yes, but can you imagine Jeanie does that even for 1-2 seasons? She would lose sleep |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | Quote: | .@wojespn on the Lakers’ remaining offseason strategy:
- Los Angeles will be making moves on the edges, including veteran’s minimum signings.
- The Lakers are not interested in including draft picks to salary dump contracts.
- Internally, they believe the three stars model doesn’t work anymore within the new CBA. |
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The Boston Celtics have 5 players making 30 mil or more, think about that |
Lakers would have to make trades to open up roster spots for vet min signings, and I don’t think making a trade just to open up a roster spot is the right move so that means we have to make big trades |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Aphex Twin wrote: | | lakersfan32 wrote: | | lakers have a chance at wcs, not wcj |
How would they get WCS without a roster spot for him? |
They'd have to salary dump Hayes or someone with some 2nds. But there's also the issue of whether Willie Cauley-Stein has to give his two weeks notice at Petco or can just join the Lakers immediately. |
Metta Sandiford-Artest worked at Circuit City while also an active NBA player, so staying at both jobs would presumably be possible. |
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Trying to go glass half full, if we were signing Hayes and Wood to 1-year minimum deals this summer, that wouldnt be a bad thing in a vacuum. The problem would be one of those roster spots should be a legit rotation player on a non-min deal. So if they can swing a deal that includes onebof those two, that settles nicely. My prefered (realistic) solution is WCJ, fully understanding his health concerns.
The other spot is wing, and any of CamJ, Grant or DFS would help. There us smoe reporting that LA doesnt see Cam as being worth a 1st. Sure, whatever 
Doing both such deals would leave a hole at guard, which Spencer would help to fill. Surprised no one has picked him up yet actually. Wouldnt mind a return from Prince either.
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| ocho wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Quote: | .@wojespn on the Lakers’ remaining offseason strategy:
- Los Angeles will be making moves on the edges, including veteran’s minimum signings.
- The Lakers are not interested in including draft picks to salary dump contracts.
- Internally, they believe the three stars model doesn’t work anymore within the new CBA. |
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The Boston Celtics have 5 players making 30 mil or more, think about that |
Ok well there won’t be any vet min signings until they trade guys for roster spots and I’m not sure teams are taking our junk for free so… |
I cant recall Rob ever doing a deal that could be couched as fixing a mistake. Even with the Westbrook trade, he waited until the deal could be heralded as a win (despite it tanking 1.5 seasons). He isn't leaving any receipts of his mistakes.
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