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Maybe we need a sticky thread on this or I missed it, but the big upside is that we can still do a sign and trade correct? And we don't have to have salaries match exactly? |
Nevermind someone else posted complete details.
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The only thing that irks me w Pelinka is not trading AR for Dejounte Murray. Dont think you can really defend that. DJM is better in almost every category except for maybe 3 pt shooting
Everything else i think for the most part his hands were tied
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| fansincemagic wrote: |
Maybe we need a sticky thread on this or I missed it, but the big upside is that we can still do a sign and trade correct? And we don't have to have salaries match exactly? |
| Quote: | | I may be wrong, but I wonder if a potential upside to LeBron signing this max now is that it ceases whatever pressure on the Lakers to close deals with players targeted by LeBron that specifically require that MLE. With that as less of a force, perhaps their approach widens. AK |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | So, in summary, we can't trade for LaVine and/or DeRozan, right? |
LaVine is under contract, so yes, you can trade for him. However, DeRozan is a free agent, so he would have to be acquired via sign-and-trade, which is still theoretically possible but it's not going to happen. To get back down to the first apron (which you're hard-capped at if you take in a player via sign-and-trade), now that LeBron is taking his max or close to it, you'd have to dump enough salary to get to that first apron number. So yeah, DeRozan is off the table. |
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| lakers have a chance at wcs, not wcj |
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| 32 wrote: | | fansincemagic wrote: |
Maybe we need a sticky thread on this or I missed it, but the big upside is that we can still do a sign and trade correct? And we don't have to have salaries match exactly? |
Restrictions of the first apron
- No sign-and-trades
- No trade exceptions
- No taking back more money in trades
Restrictions of the second apron:
- All First Apron reestrictions
- No aggregating contracts in trades
- No trading cash
- 2032 1st round pick frozen
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We can't sign a player and trade or we can't receive a signed player in a trade?
Like can we trade for DeRozan or Bridges in a sign and trade?
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| Itsowheeze wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | If the Nets only want one FRP for Cam Johnson, I don't understand why we aren't all over that. Especially because it seems like they are actually interested in Russell. Add some filler, and this not only should get us under the second apron but it also opens up at least one roster spot and likely two. Or if they just want another forward, just make the trade Rui and filler. And actually, we should push for Sharpe in the deal as well. That fills two needs. |
Exactly! And this is why I've defaulted to the understanding that Rob and Jeanie do NOT want to give up those future picks. Everything that's gone down up to this point indicates that Lebron wants one thing and they want another, but since they both have other reasons to keep the partnership going (FO - Lebron cash cow/illusion of contention, Lebron - settled down in LA/business reasons), we march on. They need each other just enough that the FO can continue to BS their way through Lebron's tenure, and in the process, waste AD's prime along with it. Personally, I think there's a path to real contention with Bron/AD if they really wanted to find it - in a playoff setting, 7-game series, they are clearly still a dominant duo - but wtf do I know? |
I mean its for good reason. When lebron and AD leave you are going to need your pics to rebuild. With this new CBA first round pics have alot of value. You need cost controlled assets and good contracts to have financial flexibility. |
So Cam Johnson's not gonna be movable in a year or two? The picks can't have protections on them? It's that lack of open-mindedness and creative thinking which makes Rob one of the worst GMs in the league. Players and contracts can be assets, too. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | So, in summary, we can't trade for LaVine and/or DeRozan, right? |
LaVine is under contract, so yes, you can trade for him. However, DeRozan is a free agent, so he would have to be acquired via sign-and-trade, which is still theoretically possible but it's not going to happen. To get back down to the first apron (which you're hard-capped at if you take in a player via sign-and-trade), now that LeBron is taking his max or close to it, you'd have to dump enough salary to get to that first apron number. So yeah, DeRozan is off the table. |
We have no idea rather or not we have a chance at DeRozan, that is just you assuming that the FO won’t accomplish dumping DLO or Gabe on someone but these guys are still quality players and a lot of rebuilding teams love when they have the chance to add vets to there roster |
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miggz23
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | So, in summary, we can't trade for LaVine and/or DeRozan, right? |
LaVine is under contract, so yes, you can trade for him. However, DeRozan is a free agent, so he would have to be acquired via sign-and-trade, which is still theoretically possible but it's not going to happen. To get back down to the first apron (which you're hard-capped at if you take in a player via sign-and-trade), now that LeBron is taking his max or close to it, you'd have to dump enough salary to get to that first apron number. So yeah, DeRozan is off the table. |
If you want to get technical, Lebron’s contract is not official until July 6th… Rob can still make something happen to convince Lebron. Derozan is still possible.
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| miggz23 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | So, in summary, we can't trade for LaVine and/or DeRozan, right? |
LaVine is under contract, so yes, you can trade for him. However, DeRozan is a free agent, so he would have to be acquired via sign-and-trade, which is still theoretically possible but it's not going to happen. To get back down to the first apron (which you're hard-capped at if you take in a player via sign-and-trade), now that LeBron is taking his max or close to it, you'd have to dump enough salary to get to that first apron number. So yeah, DeRozan is off the table. |
If you want to get technical, Lebron contract is not official until July 6th… Rob can still make something happen to convince Lebron. Derozan is still possible. |
That’s been the talk on social media since LeBron signed his extension, LeBron can still re-construct his contract as long as the deal isn’t official |
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| Knecht4 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | fansincemagic wrote: |
Maybe we need a sticky thread on this or I missed it, but the big upside is that we can still do a sign and trade correct? And we don't have to have salaries match exactly? |
Restrictions of the first apron
- No sign-and-trades
- No trade exceptions
- No taking back more money in trades
Restrictions of the second apron:
- All First Apron reestrictions
- No aggregating contracts in trades
- No trading cash
- 2032 1st round pick frozen
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We can't sign a player and trade or we can't receive a signed player in a trade?
Like can we trade for DeRozan or Bridges in a sign and trade? |
Cannot do the DDR situation above the first apron. |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | So, in summary, we can't trade for LaVine and/or DeRozan, right? |
LaVine is under contract, so yes, you can trade for him. However, DeRozan is a free agent, so he would have to be acquired via sign-and-trade, which is still theoretically possible but it's not going to happen. To get back down to the first apron (which you're hard-capped at if you take in a player via sign-and-trade), now that LeBron is taking his max or close to it, you'd have to dump enough salary to get to that first apron number. So yeah, DeRozan is off the table. |
If you want to get technical, Lebron’s contract is not official until July 6th… Rob can still make something happen to convince Lebron. Derozan is still possible. |
Lebron still has a cap hold that we would have to relinquish, or have Bron sign to a lower deal first, to be able to do a sign and trade. With his current cap hold, and Bronny not being in the books, we are just under the second apron and can aggregate outgoing players in a trade for a higher salary player. But it would hard cap us and LeBron wouldn’t get his max. Or bronny can’t be signed, etc. something would have to give. |
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| lakersfan32 wrote: | | lakers have a chance at wcs, not wcj |
How would they get WCS without a roster spot for him? |
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| Inverse wrote: | The only thing that irks me w Pelinka is not trading AR for Dejounte Murray. Dont think you can really defend that. DJM is better in almost every category except for maybe 3 pt shooting
Everything else i think for the most part his hands were tied |
We overpaid picks in the AD trade
We blew a pick in the Westbrook trade
Both pressured by Bron so we lost leverage.
Murray was obtained with of our own picks from the overpay.
We almost overpaid for Klay beause of Bron's pressure.
I'm not saying Rob has no responsibility, but it's impossible to judge him while Klutch and Bron are constantly in his ear.
You have Rich threatening GMs to not draft Bronny and some people here think they have no influence over our decisions.
We simply don't know where Rob ends and Klutch/Bron begins so only ten years from now when the 30 for 30 comes out will we ever find out. |
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| Aphex Twin wrote: | | lakersfan32 wrote: | | lakers have a chance at wcs, not wcj |
How would they get WCS without a roster spot for him? |
We are getting no one. This entire thread is in denial
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| Ok, so did they ever thought about the 2nd apron when they sign max Christie to that contract? |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | Ok, so did they ever thought about the 2nd apron when they sign max Christie to that contract? |
The real question is do they ever think about anything? |
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| Trevor Lane is saying Lakers failed. I agree... |
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| BEazy wrote: | | Trevor Lane is saying Lakers failed. I agree... |
Big time... this is going to be known as the LeBron off-season. Things are going to keep going downhill until he retires, unfortunately. |
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| BEazy wrote: | | Trevor Lane is saying Lakers failed. I agree... |
Meh |
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| Just trade Rui+1st to Jazz for Kessler? Gains $14M in cap space. |
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| Hawks got our pick and I'm sure they're jumping up and down with excitement. |
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If Lebron opts out next year and retires do the Lakers get $52M in cap space?
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| defense wrote: | | Aphex Twin wrote: | | lakersfan32 wrote: | | lakers have a chance at wcs, not wcj |
How would they get WCS without a roster spot for him? |
We are getting no one. This entire thread is in denial
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We aren’t getting any 1? Not even Reggie Bullock? 🤣 |
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| BEazy wrote: | | Trevor Lane is saying Lakers failed. I agree... |
In knecht we trust?
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