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bluehill
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| FrankUnderwood wrote: | | jb2 wrote: | Lack of size - not addressed
POA defender - not addressed
Wing help - not addressed
3rd guy - didn't happen
We added a shooter (rookie) and a new coach. What a woof and a whiff. |
We’re headed back to the play in.
Also, Bron & AD will play in Olympics which means they’ll probably be less healthy than last season |
Why is 39-year old LeBron playing in the Olympics again? He's got two golds already. What does it say about how he views the upcoming NBA season? |
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Knecht4
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| defense wrote: | | Knecht4 wrote: | I understand the panic, but we aren't a bad team. As long as we keep out picks I'll support not trading for someone. After some thought, I wouldn't trade 1sts for Cam Johnson. I would only trade picks for Lauri.
I would be down with trading salary for Lavine and 2 picks. That signals they are serious about building. As long as they don't include Reaves and Knecht |
The chances of Lebron and Davis being as healthy as they were last season is really really small |
I'm ok with that. Just don't panic and trade the 1st for someone that sets us back more and won't makes us a legitimate contender
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RI Laker
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | FrankUnderwood wrote: | | jb2 wrote: | Lack of size - not addressed
POA defender - not addressed
Wing help - not addressed
3rd guy - didn't happen
We added a shooter (rookie) and a new coach. What a woof and a whiff. |
We’re headed back to the play in.
Also, Bron & AD will play in Olympics which means they’ll probably be less healthy than last season |
I would be happy to make the play-in. This season has potential for embarrassment. |
Based on what? |
First year head coach.
Highest paid player is a 40 year old in his 22nd season.
Second highest paid player is oft injured big man.
Giving minutes to Bronny James. |
Also, our main guys will not play as many games this upcoming season and every team in the West got better. We are with the Blazers and Memphis as the sludge of the conference. |
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av3773
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| Hard to have confiendence in this FO.... |
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King Randle
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| Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| I understand we can't do S&T anymore....but someone like Grant isn't S&T so a scenario like that is still possible right?? |
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Knecht4
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| Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| RI Laker wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | FrankUnderwood wrote: | | jb2 wrote: | Lack of size - not addressed
POA defender - not addressed
Wing help - not addressed
3rd guy - didn't happen
We added a shooter (rookie) and a new coach. What a woof and a whiff. |
We’re headed back to the play in.
Also, Bron & AD will play in Olympics which means they’ll probably be less healthy than last season |
I would be happy to make the play-in. This season has potential for embarrassment. |
Based on what? |
First year head coach.
Highest paid player is a 40 year old in his 22nd season.
Second highest paid player is oft injured big man.
Giving minutes to Bronny James. |
Also, our main guys will not play as many games this upcoming season and every team in the West got better. We are with the Blazers and Memphis as the sludge of the conference. |
Memphis should be a good team again. Ja back, they have Smart, and drafted Edey
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Reds622
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Vanderbilt and Vincent were hurt all last season and didn’t play. Knecht is an unknown but could be a rotation player. They got rid of the worst head coach I have ever seen.
This team will already be better than last year just with those moves.. assuming LeBron has a good year. You don’t make a trade just to make a trade. You make a trade if it’s in the teams best interest, both short and long term. Thus far, outside of signing Klay, the move hasn’t been out there IMO.
Regarding the Klay issue.. it seems pretty clear that he didn’t want to play under the microscope/bright lights and wanted to go play in Dallas where the pressure decreases significantly. Nothing the Lakers could have done about that.
Better to wait than make a foolish move. We’ll see what he looks like in summer league here pretty soon, but they have lucked into a good rotation piece in the draft.. we’ll see. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| King Randle wrote: | | I understand we can't do S&T anymore....but someone like Grant isn't S&T so a scenario like that is still possible right?? |
Trades are still on the table. Until LeBron actually signs, we're under the second apron. And many have said that management almost certainly views the second apron as an unofficial hard cap anyway, so we will do something to make sure that we don't go over it, whether that's LeBron taking slightly less or sending one minimum player out and attaching a second round pick, something. |
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Knecht4
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| Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| King Randle wrote: | | I understand we can't do S&T anymore....but someone like Grant isn't S&T so a scenario like that is still possible right?? |
Yes. But I wouldn't trade a 1st for him. He probably won't cost a 1st because of his contact. Maybe like DLO, Gabe, and JHS. We would need to find a PG after or let AR play point.
That also sends out more salary than we take back. If they include a 1st, they are morons.
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dont_be_a_wuss
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| King Randle wrote: | | I understand we can't do S&T anymore....but someone like Grant isn't S&T so a scenario like that is still possible right?? |
It depends on what LeBron takes. Jarami Grant makes $27M, so if we're over the 2nd apron, we have to send out a player making at least that much, which only AD fits the bill.
Unless they missed this loophole in the new CBA, a trade for Grant done before LeBron signs, would hard cap us at the second apron, and LeBron cant get that max he already has agreed to in principle. Would the Lakers go back on their word like that? |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | I understand we can't do S&T anymore....but someone like Grant isn't S&T so a scenario like that is still possible right?? |
It depends on what LeBron takes. Jarami Grant makes $27M, so if we're over the 2nd apron, we have to send out a player making at least that much, which only AD fits the bill.
Unless they missed this loophole in the new CBA, a trade for Grant done before LeBron signs, would hard cap us at the second apron, and LeBron cant get that max he already has agreed to in principle. Would the Lakers go back on their word like that? |
Woike reporting Lakers intend to stay under second apron no matter what. |
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lakers4life78
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Toad Irwin basically laid it out. The move is like a 4-1 deal
Grant for D'Lo, Vando, JHS, Reddish and a second or replace JHS with Lewis and a seond for a future first
Opens up the TPMLE and a minimum slot, perhaps 2 if they want 15 guys. Is that worth it?
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Kobe_Is_King13
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| Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| Knecht4 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | Knecht4 wrote: | I understand the panic, but we aren't a bad team. As long as we keep out picks I'll support not trading for someone. After some thought, I wouldn't trade 1sts for Cam Johnson. I would only trade picks for Lauri.
I would be down with trading salary for Lavine and 2 picks. That signals they are serious about building. As long as they don't include Reaves and Knecht |
The chances of Lebron and Davis being as healthy as they were last season is really really small |
I'm ok with that. Just don't panic and trade the 1st for someone that sets us back more and won't makes us a legitimate contender |
We've already done that. And though I'm not saying we should do it again but we cant do stuff like over rating our own guys. We had a chance to flip Reaves for DJM. Now as much as I like Reaves he's just not on the level with DJM. And honestly he isn't on DeRozan's level either.
We're stuck between trying to win now and build for the future in a way that's preventing us from effectively doing either |
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| So are we over the second apron with LeBron signing? |
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nomoreshaq
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the ultra optimistic POV (lol)
AD / Wood / Hayes
Bron / Rui
Vando / Knecht / Lewis / Reddish
AR / Christie
Dlo / Vincent / JHS / Bronny
1. Same starting lineup that got us to WCF.
2. Vincent will be our POA defender off the bench
3. JHS will make a leap and be at least playable sometimes
4. Christie will make a significant leap and be a part of the 8 man rotation
5. Vando has a 35% corner 3 shot and isn't played off the floor
6. Wood is playable as a stretch 4/5 alongside AD
7. Knecht is able to play minutes
8. Bronny and Lewis develop in the G-league
9. Rui comes off the bench, Reddish is the 15th man and Hayes is just the 3rd big. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| lakers4life78 wrote: | Toad Irwin basically laid it out. The move is like a 4-1 deal
Grant for D'Lo, Vando, JHS, Reddish and a second or replace JHS with Lewis and a seond for a future first
Opens up the TPMLE and a minimum slot, perhaps 2 if they want 15 guys. Is that worth it? |
Having Grant and Rui on this roster is the definition of stupid. |
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Shut this down until next season.
No trades for us!
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | I understand we can't do S&T anymore....but someone like Grant isn't S&T so a scenario like that is still possible right?? |
It depends on what LeBron takes. Jarami Grant makes $27M, so if we're over the 2nd apron, we have to send out a player making at least that much, which only AD fits the bill.
Unless they missed this loophole in the new CBA, a trade for Grant done before LeBron signs, would hard cap us at the second apron, and LeBron cant get that max he already has agreed to in principle. Would the Lakers go back on their word like that? |
Thanks guys....I guess they'll focus on guys like Carter Jr, Capela, Cam Johnson etc. if they make any trades at all. |
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levon
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| FrankUnderwood wrote: | | So are we over the second apron with LeBron signing? |
Yes the way it stands now but no in that the Lakers intend to stay under it. |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | I understand we can't do S&T anymore....but someone like Grant isn't S&T so a scenario like that is still possible right?? |
It depends on what LeBron takes. Jarami Grant makes $27M, so if we're over the 2nd apron, we have to send out a player making at least that much, which only AD fits the bill.
Unless they missed this loophole in the new CBA, a trade for Grant done before LeBron signs, would hard cap us at the second apron, and LeBron cant get that max he already has agreed to in principle. Would the Lakers go back on their word like that? |
Gabe and Rui would do it, wouldn't it? possibly with 2RPs
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| levon wrote: | | FrankUnderwood wrote: | | So are we over the second apron with LeBron signing? |
Yes the way it stands now but no in that the Lakers intend to stay under it. |
So we can still make trades? S&T? And sign a tax payer mle FA? |
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| Pidge wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | I understand we can't do S&T anymore....but someone like Grant isn't S&T so a scenario like that is still possible right?? |
It depends on what LeBron takes. Jarami Grant makes $27M, so if we're over the 2nd apron, we have to send out a player making at least that much, which only AD fits the bill.
Unless they missed this loophole in the new CBA, a trade for Grant done before LeBron signs, would hard cap us at the second apron, and LeBron cant get that max he already has agreed to in principle. Would the Lakers go back on their word like that? |
Gabe and Rui would do it, wouldn't it? possibly with 2RPs |
Only if we are under the 2nd apron, otherwise no combining of salaries is allowed. |
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| FrankUnderwood wrote: | | levon wrote: | | FrankUnderwood wrote: | | So are we over the second apron with LeBron signing? |
Yes the way it stands now but no in that the Lakers intend to stay under it. |
So we can still make trades? S&T? And sign a tax payer mle FA? |
No sign and trades, thats the 1st apron. To sign a TPMLE we need to get $5.2M+ under the second apron. I don't think they will find a way to get that far under it with LeBron taking a max.
The primary moves I see Rob being able to make to get us under the apron are trading Jaxson Hayes or Cam Reddish along with a 2RP for cap space. |
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levon
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | FrankUnderwood wrote: | | levon wrote: | | FrankUnderwood wrote: | | So are we over the second apron with LeBron signing? |
Yes the way it stands now but no in that the Lakers intend to stay under it. |
So we can still make trades? S&T? And sign a tax payer mle FA? |
No sign and trades, thats the 1st apron. To sign a TPMLE we need to get $5.2M+ under the second apron. I don't think they will find a way to get that far under it with LeBron taking a max.
The primary moves I see Rob being able to make to get us under the apron are trading Jaxson Hayes or Cam Reddish along with a 2RP for cap space. |
You can also send out more salary than you receive in a bigger move |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| King Randle wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | I understand we can't do S&T anymore....but someone like Grant isn't S&T so a scenario like that is still possible right?? |
It depends on what LeBron takes. Jarami Grant makes $27M, so if we're over the 2nd apron, we have to send out a player making at least that much, which only AD fits the bill.
Unless they missed this loophole in the new CBA, a trade for Grant done before LeBron signs, would hard cap us at the second apron, and LeBron cant get that max he already has agreed to in principle. Would the Lakers go back on their word like that? |
Thanks guys....I guess they'll focus on guys like Carter Jr, Capela, Cam Johnson etc. if they make any trades at all. |
Have we ever heard even a rumor that the Lakers are interested in Cam or WCJ? I get the feeling Rob doesn't even know who those guys are. |
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