I wouldn't trade for any other role player until Cam Johnson gets moved. He's the best available at what we need IMO. A big 3-and-D wing. And his contract is good.
Same, I would give A 1st for him. Rui, JHS, and a future 1st, and a minimum guy.
It is better to wait for the new league year to trade for him since his salary goes down from 25 million to 23 and Rui and JHS get a slight increase. Closes a gap of about 5 million that way
I would not be mad if we gave up two firsts for him. I think he's a game-changer. Big upgrade over Rui. We'd finally have a large winger stopper and it's another floor stretcher. Vando slots in as a backup permanently.
Two picks is a lot when the Lakers still have issues in terms of lacking a guy who can get his own bucket which iirc Cam Johnson is not (not a Cam Johnson expert though). This trade market is certifably insane though
Do you have a bucket getter in mind? Because I don't with Mitchell off the market and I have zero interest in Trae. Celtics won a chip really only having 2. Dallas won the West with only 2. Nuggets have 3ish? Is MPJ a self-creator or is he more of an off-the catch bucket getter? I think between Lebron/AD/DLO/Reaves weren't not terribly lacking. Size down low, on the wing and shooting i think are still our most glaring weaknesses.
I don't. But that's partially why I entered team "(bleep) it let's just rebuild." Part of my thinking is watching teams like the '16 Warriors who were built around the harmonizing of a lot of collective strengths, but the playoffs mucked the offense up and they lacked a way to get easy baskets. Curry is an all timer but that's not his strength.
Cam Johnson is a really good fit if you believe in LeBron/ AD as hubs who will break down the defense with individual brilliance. But if I'm being honest I don't trust either of them to do that anymore. I absolutely don't trust DLO to do it. AR maybe (because he usually has a lesser defender on him but this logic doesn't hold against a team like Boston).
So it's like... is it worth 2 FRPs for that? Probably not imo?
I wouldn't trade for any other role player until Cam Johnson gets moved. He's the best available at what we need IMO. A big 3-and-D wing. And his contract is good.
Same, I would give A 1st for him. Rui, JHS, and a future 1st, and a minimum guy.
It is better to wait for the new league year to trade for him since his salary goes down from 25 million to 23 and Rui and JHS get a slight increase. Closes a gap of about 5 million that way
I would not be mad if we gave up two firsts for him. I think he's a game-changer. Big upgrade over Rui. We'd finally have a large winger stopper and it's another floor stretcher. Vando slots in as a backup permanently.
Two picks is a lot when the Lakers still have issues in terms of lacking a guy who can get his own bucket which iirc Cam Johnson is not (not a Cam Johnson expert though). This trade market is certifably insane though
Do you have a bucket getter in mind? Because I don't with Mitchell off the market and I have zero interest in Trae. Celtics won a chip really only having 2. Dallas won the West with only 2. Nuggets have 3ish? Is MPJ a self-creator or is he more of an off-the catch bucket getter? I think between Lebron/AD/DLO/Reaves weren't not terribly lacking. Size down low, on the wing and shooting i think are still our most glaring weaknesses.
I don't. But that's partially why I entered team "(bleep) it let's just rebuild." Part of my thinking is watching teams like the '16 Warriors who were built around the harmonizing of a lot of collective strengths, but the playoffs mucked the offense up and they lacked a way to get easy baskets. Curry is an all timer but that's not his strength.
Cam Johnson is a really good fit if you believe in LeBron/ AD as hubs who will break down the defense with individual brilliance. But if I'm being honest I don't trust either of them to do that anymore. I absolutely don't trust DLO to do it. AR maybe (because he usually has a lesser defender on him but this logic doesn't hold against a team like Boston).
So it's like... is it worth 2 FRPs for that? Probably not imo?
I'm choosing to be optimistic, however stupidly. I think Lebron is still an effective hub and i think AD showed promise as Ham started to make him one. Even though DLO, Rui and Prince were good, overall, it felt like we bricked too many open 3s and burned a lot of good looks Lebron created. I'm on the Cranjis train with the playcall frequency and its correlation with team success and Ham left too much on the table with his tolerance for freelancing. We don't know quite what JJ's offense is, but the stuff he's saying so far sounds good and like he's a little more clued in than Ham. Does Cam make the Lakers a Finals contender? Not necessarily. But i think he checks two major boxes. And injuries happen every year. The Celtics were no doubt helped by their easy path to the Finals where virtually every Eastern star was injured. The Lakers could have a similar fortune and end up facing the Miami Heat again. You never know.
I wouldn't trade for any other role player until Cam Johnson gets moved. He's the best available at what we need IMO. A big 3-and-D wing. And his contract is good.
Same, I would give A 1st for him. Rui, JHS, and a future 1st, and a minimum guy.
It is better to wait for the new league year to trade for him since his salary goes down from 25 million to 23 and Rui and JHS get a slight increase. Closes a gap of about 5 million that way
I would not be mad if we gave up two firsts for him. I think he's a game-changer. Big upgrade over Rui. We'd finally have a large winger stopper and it's another floor stretcher. Vando slots in as a backup permanently.
Two picks is a lot when the Lakers still have issues in terms of lacking a guy who can get his own bucket which iirc Cam Johnson is not (not a Cam Johnson expert though). This trade market is certifably insane though
Do you have a bucket getter in mind? Because I don't with Mitchell off the market and I have zero interest in Trae. Celtics won a chip really only having 2. Dallas won the West with only 2. Nuggets have 3ish? Is MPJ a self-creator or is he more of an off-the catch bucket getter? I think between Lebron/AD/DLO/Reaves weren't not terribly lacking. Size down low, on the wing and shooting i think are still our most glaring weaknesses.
I don't. But that's partially why I entered team "(bleep) it let's just rebuild." Part of my thinking is watching teams like the '16 Warriors who were built around the harmonizing of a lot of collective strengths, but the playoffs mucked the offense up and they lacked a way to get easy baskets. Curry is an all timer but that's not his strength.
Cam Johnson is a really good fit if you believe in LeBron/ AD as hubs who will break down the defense with individual brilliance. But if I'm being honest I don't trust either of them to do that anymore. I absolutely don't trust DLO to do it. AR maybe (because he usually has a lesser defender on him but this logic doesn't hold against a team like Boston).
So it's like... is it worth 2 FRPs for that? Probably not imo?
I'm choosing to be optimistic, however stupidly. I think Lebron is still an effective hub and i think AD showed promise as Ham started to make him one. Even though DLO, Rui and Prince were good, overall, it felt like we bricked too many open 3s and burned a lot of good looks Lebron created. I'm on the Cranjis train with the playcall frequency and its correlation with team success and Ham left too much on the table with his tolerance for freelancing. We don't know quite what JJ's offense is, but the stuff he's saying so far sounds good and like he's a little more clued in than Ham. Does Cam make the Lakers a Finals contender? Not necessarily. But i think he checks two major boxes. And injuries happen every year. The Celtics were no doubt helped by their easy path to the Finals where virtually every Eastern star was injured. The Lakers could have a similar fortune and end up facing the Miami Heat again. You never know.
Heh. You sound like me from a month ago. I like it, I should keep talking to you and covers my ears when I see ocho nearby
I agree Cam Johnson is a great fit aside from the bucket getter part. Maybe Reaves will make the jump we were hoping he'd make last year. I'm not sure I love sending out two future 1sts that far out for Cam Johnson but I'd get the vision.
I wouldn't trade for any other role player until Cam Johnson gets moved. He's the best available at what we need IMO. A big 3-and-D wing. And his contract is good.
Same, I would give A 1st for him. Rui, JHS, and a future 1st, and a minimum guy.
It is better to wait for the new league year to trade for him since his salary goes down from 25 million to 23 and Rui and JHS get a slight increase. Closes a gap of about 5 million that way
I would not be mad if we gave up two firsts for him. I think he's a game-changer. Big upgrade over Rui. We'd finally have a large winger stopper and it's another floor stretcher. Vando slots in as a backup permanently.
Two picks is a lot when the Lakers still have issues in terms of lacking a guy who can get his own bucket which iirc Cam Johnson is not (not a Cam Johnson expert though). This trade market is certifably insane though
Do you have a bucket getter in mind? Because I don't with Mitchell off the market and I have zero interest in Trae. Celtics won a chip really only having 2. Dallas won the West with only 2. Nuggets have 3ish? Is MPJ a self-creator or is he more of an off-the catch bucket getter? I think between Lebron/AD/DLO/Reaves weren't not terribly lacking. Size down low, on the wing and shooting i think are still our most glaring weaknesses.
I don't. But that's partially why I entered team "(bleep) it let's just rebuild." Part of my thinking is watching teams like the '16 Warriors who were built around the harmonizing of a lot of collective strengths, but the playoffs mucked the offense up and they lacked a way to get easy baskets. Curry is an all timer but that's not his strength.
Cam Johnson is a really good fit if you believe in LeBron/ AD as hubs who will break down the defense with individual brilliance. But if I'm being honest I don't trust either of them to do that anymore. I absolutely don't trust DLO to do it. AR maybe (because he usually has a lesser defender on him but this logic doesn't hold against a team like Boston).
So it's like... is it worth 2 FRPs for that? Probably not imo?
I'm choosing to be optimistic, however stupidly. I think Lebron is still an effective hub and i think AD showed promise as Ham started to make him one. Even though DLO, Rui and Prince were good, overall, it felt like we bricked too many open 3s and burned a lot of good looks Lebron created. I'm on the Cranjis train with the playcall frequency and its correlation with team success and Ham left too much on the table with his tolerance for freelancing. We don't know quite what JJ's offense is, but the stuff he's saying so far sounds good and like he's a little more clued in than Ham. Does Cam make the Lakers a Finals contender? Not necessarily. But i think he checks two major boxes. And injuries happen every year. The Celtics were no doubt helped by their easy path to the Finals where virtually every Eastern star was injured. The Lakers could have a similar fortune and end up facing the Miami Heat again. You never know.
Heh. You sound like me from a month ago. I like it, I should keep talking to you and covers my ears when I see ocho nearby
If you follow Anthony Irvin, he is saying he wants to make Reaves the starting PG with Christie/DK taking the minutes at the 2. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
If you follow Anthony Irvin, he is saying he wants to make Reaves the starting PG with Christie/DK taking the minutes at the 2.
I don't
A lot of people dont. I don't agree with the logic, but it fit's with DLO not being mentioned once by Pelinka/JJ. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
If you follow Anthony Irvin, he is saying he wants to make Reaves the starting PG with Christie/DK taking the minutes at the 2.
I don't
A lot of people dont. I don't agree with the logic, but it fit's with DLO not being mentioned once by Pelinka/JJ.
Yeah that was notable for me too. It does seem like if he re-signs he's trade bait but it's not exactly clear to me who would trade for him, unless he's salary ballast and the Lakers attach picks going outwards. DLO/Rui for DFS/Johnson/picks would work.
But if you're not trading DLO it doesn't really make sense to me not to re-sign him. Maybe LeBron and AD are sick of him after the playoffs or his attitude is really that grating idk. He gave you 18/6 on 41% 3FG%
It has to be the attitude. DLo was our 3rd best player last year and it wasn't even close. Set Laker records. And it appears to be literally no market for him. Including the Lakers
Personally, and know you too tox, would gladly take him back with the right parts around him. ie Start a 3/D guard next to him. Rui/Reaves/DLo won't cut it on D.
Also not sure how I feel about trading draft picks for Cam Johnson. Well actually I know I'm not a fan of that. Solid player, but not worth draft picks when we will likely be in a rebuild. Already 28 and will be turning 29 next year. DFS is also overrated to me. 2-3 of his caliber players go every year for VM. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
Cam Johnson is in his prime and will be through the end of his contract. He'll be very tradeable at 31 if you're worried about it. He'd definitely net a first rounder from a contender if we're in rebuild mode.
Agree on DFS. I like his defense but his shooting is meh.
Shams saying Reaves is unlikely to get traded is a smokescreen, there trying to play negotiation games while there trying to get the star player they want which will undoubtedly include Reaves
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Shams saying Reaves is unlikely to get traded is a smokescreen, there trying to play negotiation games while there trying to get the star player they want which is undoubtedly include Reaves
Where he say that? _________________ Previously LBJ23
Cam Johnson is in his prime and will be through the end of his contract. He'll be very tradeable at 31 if you're worried about it. He'd definitely net a first rounder from a contender if we're in rebuild mode.
Agree on DFS. I like his defense but his shooting is meh.
It's not about him still having value. It's about not having the rights to our draft picks when we will likely be bad. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
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Shams saying Reaves is unlikely to get traded is a smokescreen, there trying to play negotiation games while there trying to get the star player they want which will undoubtedly include Reaves
Dude what are you talking about????? Your link doesnt mention a smokescreen at all and if this is your guess at what the Lakers/Shams are really thinking, NO just no.
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