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| ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Players get traded without their knowledge or consent all the time. Who cares about upsetting LeBron? He’s going to be retired soon. |
Come on man, get real. |
LeBron isn’t even on the team. But we have to pander to him at 40 years old and worry about upsetting him? Please. |
We can't trade him now, we asked him last deadline. We can trade AD, but they wouldn't
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| CamReddish wrote: | | Knicks still have 24th and 25th picks. Rui, Gabe, JHS for Randle and a pick |
I’m a big Randle fan and think the Knicks could have been more better in the playoffs had Randle stayed healthy, if you do that deal we can then hope LeBron gets traded for Garland + Allen to go play with his close friend Donovan Mitchell
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| CamReddish wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Players get traded without their knowledge or consent all the time. Who cares about upsetting LeBron? He’s going to be retired soon. |
Come on man, get real. |
LeBron isn’t even on the team. But we have to pander to him at 40 years old and worry about upsetting him? Please. |
We can't trade him now, we asked him last deadline. We can trade AD, but they wouldn't |
I know they wouldn’t, but they should. LeBron can go to another team if he doesn’t like it.
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levon
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Players get traded without their knowledge or consent all the time. Who cares about upsetting LeBron? He’s going to be retired soon. |
Come on man, get real. |
LeBron isn’t even on the team. But we have to pander to him at 40 years old and worry about upsetting him? Please. |
The team wants to sign him because he's a money-making machine and still an elite player. If he wants out, you trade him. If he doesn't, you ride out his career. Those two mid-first picks you'd get for him aren't worth further being ostracized in free agency, and he's commanded enough respect league-wide and within the org that you don't backstab him. |
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CamReddish
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| ocho wrote: | | CamReddish wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Players get traded without their knowledge or consent all the time. Who cares about upsetting LeBron? He’s going to be retired soon. |
Come on man, get real. |
LeBron isn’t even on the team. But we have to pander to him at 40 years old and worry about upsetting him? Please. |
We can't trade him now, we asked him last deadline. We can trade AD, but they wouldn't |
I know they wouldn’t, but they should. LeBron can go to another team if he doesn’t like it. |
Im with you. I am down for a rebuild right now also
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| levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Players get traded without their knowledge or consent all the time. Who cares about upsetting LeBron? He’s going to be retired soon. |
Come on man, get real. |
LeBron isn’t even on the team. But we have to pander to him at 40 years old and worry about upsetting him? Please. |
The team wants to sign him because he's a money-making machine and still an elite player. If he wants out, you trade him. If he doesn't, you ride out his career. Those two mid-first picks you'd get for him aren't worth further being ostracized in free agency, and he's commanded enough respect league-wide and within the org that you don't backstab him. |
Ok so we have to pay him the max into his 40s, we have to draft his son who isn’t any good, we can’t trade him and we can’t trade AD either because it would upset him. And our prize for all of it is a play-in berth. Maybe it’s time to re-evaluate this relationship.
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| LeBron isn't going anywhere, folks. I thought maybe there was a small chance of it happening, but when you hire Redick as coach, yeah, Redick wasn't signing on to coach us if LeBron wasn't coming back. |
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levon
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Should he want out and should the money work and should there be enough compensation coming the Lakers way, I do think the Knicks make the most sense for LeBron.
Brunson to alleviate ballhandling
Bridges for size at the two, more shot creation
OG to guard any wing (assuming re-signed)
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Then you got guys like Donte and Hart off the bench and a great coach, all in a megacity with shine and glory.
That's a tier 1 contender. |
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| ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Players get traded without their knowledge or consent all the time. Who cares about upsetting LeBron? He’s going to be retired soon. |
Come on man, get real. |
LeBron isn’t even on the team. But we have to pander to him at 40 years old and worry about upsetting him? Please. |
The team wants to sign him because he's a money-making machine and still an elite player. If he wants out, you trade him. If he doesn't, you ride out his career. Those two mid-first picks you'd get for him aren't worth further being ostracized in free agency, and he's commanded enough respect league-wide and within the org that you don't backstab him. |
Ok so we have to pay him the max into his 40s, we have to draft his son who isn’t any good, we can’t trade him and we can’t trade AD either because it would upset him. And our prize for all of it is a play-in berth. Maybe it’s time to re-evaluate this relationship. |
It shouldn't be that hard to be a contender when you have two All-NBA players on your team, but that's what happens when you have Darvin Ham as your coach and a roster with some flaws. Still, Pelinka's roster should have been good enough for a #4 seed last year with merely average coaching. I just don't think we're going to give that up, and I think we believe that with the right tweaks, we can be a contender. Maybe we can be, and maybe that's delusion on their part (and my part). But it seems pretty apparent to me that we are not going the rebuild route. Maybe if it all falls apart somehow, you look to move AD. But we both know that isn't going to happen this summer. |
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levon
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| ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Players get traded without their knowledge or consent all the time. Who cares about upsetting LeBron? He’s going to be retired soon. |
Come on man, get real. |
LeBron isn’t even on the team. But we have to pander to him at 40 years old and worry about upsetting him? Please. |
The team wants to sign him because he's a money-making machine and still an elite player. If he wants out, you trade him. If he doesn't, you ride out his career. Those two mid-first picks you'd get for him aren't worth further being ostracized in free agency, and he's commanded enough respect league-wide and within the org that you don't backstab him. |
Ok so we have to pay him the max into his 40s, we have to draft his son who isn’t any good, we can’t trade him and we can’t trade AD either because it would upset him. And our prize for all of it is a play-in berth. Maybe it’s time to re-evaluate this relationship. |
The Mavs won three more games than us last year and made the NBA Finals. Maybe it's time you re-assess the competitive landscape in the league. We're not as far away as you make it seem. A full rebuild makes us very, very far away with no clear path to contention. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Players get traded without their knowledge or consent all the time. Who cares about upsetting LeBron? He’s going to be retired soon. |
Come on man, get real. |
LeBron isn’t even on the team. But we have to pander to him at 40 years old and worry about upsetting him? Please. |
The team wants to sign him because he's a money-making machine and still an elite player. If he wants out, you trade him. If he doesn't, you ride out his career. Those two mid-first picks you'd get for him aren't worth further being ostracized in free agency, and he's commanded enough respect league-wide and within the org that you don't backstab him. |
Ok so we have to pay him the max into his 40s, we have to draft his son who isn’t any good, we can’t trade him and we can’t trade AD either because it would upset him. And our prize for all of it is a play-in berth. Maybe it’s time to re-evaluate this relationship. |
It shouldn't be that hard to be a contender when you have two All-NBA players on your team, but that's what happens when you have Darvin Ham as your coach and a roster with some flaws. Still, Pelinka's roster should have been good enough for a #4 seed last year with merely average coaching. I just don't think we're going to give that up, and I think we believe that with the right tweaks, we can be a contender. Maybe we can be, and maybe that's delusion on their part (and my part). But it seems pretty apparent to me that we are not going the rebuild route. Maybe if it all falls apart somehow, you look to move AD. But we both know that isn't going to happen this summer. |
Maybe it shouldn’t be, but it has been. When they’re healthy and when they aren’t. I agree we aren’t resetting this summer. We will wait until LeBron is retired and Davis has less trade value. I’m not as confident that a first time head coach will turn us from perpetual play in team to contender. I’d rather get out ahead of the inevitable when our assets have max value.
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| levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Players get traded without their knowledge or consent all the time. Who cares about upsetting LeBron? He’s going to be retired soon. |
Come on man, get real. |
LeBron isn’t even on the team. But we have to pander to him at 40 years old and worry about upsetting him? Please. |
The team wants to sign him because he's a money-making machine and still an elite player. If he wants out, you trade him. If he doesn't, you ride out his career. Those two mid-first picks you'd get for him aren't worth further being ostracized in free agency, and he's commanded enough respect league-wide and within the org that you don't backstab him. |
Ok so we have to pay him the max into his 40s, we have to draft his son who isn’t any good, we can’t trade him and we can’t trade AD either because it would upset him. And our prize for all of it is a play-in berth. Maybe it’s time to re-evaluate this relationship. |
The Mavs won three more games than us last year and made the NBA Finals. Maybe it's time you re-assess the competitive landscape in the league. We're not as far away as you make it seem. A full rebuild makes us very, very far away with no clear path to contention. |
Congrats to the Mavs for getting smoked in the finals. We were a 7 seed that won a single playoff game (first in 12 tries against Denver? We’ve got em right where we want em). Believe it or not, a full rebuild gets us closer to contention than running the hamster wheel for another few years and starting over then.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Players get traded without their knowledge or consent all the time. Who cares about upsetting LeBron? He’s going to be retired soon. |
Come on man, get real. |
LeBron isn’t even on the team. But we have to pander to him at 40 years old and worry about upsetting him? Please. |
The team wants to sign him because he's a money-making machine and still an elite player. If he wants out, you trade him. If he doesn't, you ride out his career. Those two mid-first picks you'd get for him aren't worth further being ostracized in free agency, and he's commanded enough respect league-wide and within the org that you don't backstab him. |
Ok so we have to pay him the max into his 40s, we have to draft his son who isn’t any good, we can’t trade him and we can’t trade AD either because it would upset him. And our prize for all of it is a play-in berth. Maybe it’s time to re-evaluate this relationship. |
The Mavs won three more games than us last year and made the NBA Finals. Maybe it's time you re-assess the competitive landscape in the league. We're not as far away as you make it seem. A full rebuild makes us very, very far away with no clear path to contention. |
Congrats to the Mavs for getting smoked in the finals. We were a 7 seed that won a single playoff game (first in 12 tries against Denver? We’ve got em right where we want em). Believe it or not, a full rebuild gets us closer to contention than running the hamster wheel for another few years and starting over then. |
agree. Plus they have Luka. Though his finals was subpar, he is #1A or #1B in the league and hes young.
Wolves should be better
OKC should be better
Nuggs. status quo still beats us
Rox should be better
Kings- status quo still a nightmare for us
Suns have a better coach
Grizz will be better
pelicans, Lakers,gsw, clippers are the next tier. And even if we improve will it be enough to catch the heavyweights.
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| eureca wrote: | Bridges seems way overrated to get that many picks in a trade. Nets definitely cooked with this trade.
Especially since reports are he requested a trade to the Knicks and he was ready to pressure them saying he would sign with the Knicks if anybody else traded for him. |
Five firsts for a guy who has never played at an all star level, never made an all-NBA team, and has made one all-defensive team in seven seasons? That's arguably a bigger heist than what OKC got from the Clippers for PG. |
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| ducasse wrote: | | eureca wrote: | Bridges seems way overrated to get that many picks in a trade. Nets definitely cooked with this trade.
Especially since reports are he requested a trade to the Knicks and he was ready to pressure them saying he would sign with the Knicks if anybody else traded for him. |
Five firsts for a guy who has never played at an all star level, never made an all-NBA team, and has made one all-defensive team in seven seasons? That's arguably a bigger heist than what OKC got from the Clippers for PG. |
Nah, Shai was in the MVP conversation this year and the draft pick compensation alone was staggering. Even if Bridges plays exactly like he did when he was with the Suns (his perfect role), that won't be close to the value that SGA brings.
But your first point is fair. It's a huge haul for a guy who is a #3 on a title team, and that's in an ideal world. He last showed that capability two years ago. Is it a complete given that he just goes right back to that? I'd say there's a good chance, but it's not a slam dunk. |
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| ducasse wrote: | | eureca wrote: | Bridges seems way overrated to get that many picks in a trade. Nets definitely cooked with this trade.
Especially since reports are he requested a trade to the Knicks and he was ready to pressure them saying he would sign with the Knicks if anybody else traded for him. |
Five firsts for a guy who has never played at an all star level, never made an all-NBA team, and has made one all-defensive team in seven seasons? That's arguably a bigger heist than what OKC got from the Clippers for PG. |
I think what the trade means is that the Knicks are super confident that they were a very good piece away from being a powerhouse for the next 5-6 years and Bridges is a very good player, the Knicks might become a dynasty which is what I predicted when they acquired OG at the trade deadline |
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| ocho wrote: | | Congrats to the Mavs for getting smoked in the finals. We were a 7 seed that won a single playoff game (first in 12 tries against Denver? We’ve got em right where we want em). Believe it or not, a full rebuild gets us closer to contention than running the hamster wheel for another few years and starting over then. |
The people writing the checks want to keep selling high priced tickets and interest high in Spectrum programming. You won't do that sending Lebron and Davis out the door. Ownership isn't doing a rebuild.
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| ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | levon wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Players get traded without their knowledge or consent all the time. Who cares about upsetting LeBron? He’s going to be retired soon. |
Come on man, get real. |
LeBron isn’t even on the team. But we have to pander to him at 40 years old and worry about upsetting him? Please. |
The team wants to sign him because he's a money-making machine and still an elite player. If he wants out, you trade him. If he doesn't, you ride out his career. Those two mid-first picks you'd get for him aren't worth further being ostracized in free agency, and he's commanded enough respect league-wide and within the org that you don't backstab him. |
Ok so we have to pay him the max into his 40s, we have to draft his son who isn’t any good, we can’t trade him and we can’t trade AD either because it would upset him. And our prize for all of it is a play-in berth. Maybe it’s time to re-evaluate this relationship. |
The Mavs won three more games than us last year and made the NBA Finals. Maybe it's time you re-assess the competitive landscape in the league. We're not as far away as you make it seem. A full rebuild makes us very, very far away with no clear path to contention. |
Congrats to the Mavs for getting smoked in the finals. We were a 7 seed that won a single playoff game (first in 12 tries against Denver? We’ve got em right where we want em). Believe it or not, a full rebuild gets us closer to contention than running the hamster wheel for another few years and starting over then. |
At some point you gotta take the L on the Mavs moves "punching Luka's ticket out of town". Going in for Kyrie and the trades they made was the right thing to do. I'm sorry that they were three wins from the title despite having three more regular season wins than us. Teams who went all in got rewarded by actually getting closer to the chip than other teams, literally. You can save your chips for the Wemby era if you think that's somehow a safer bet.
I think you're operating with strategies from 2017 while predicting that they'll bear fruit in an NBA 5-7 years in the future. That's a very dangerous game. You could be going from one rebuild immediately into the next. In fact, that's historically the much more likely outcome.
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| The folks that are envious of the Boston formula should remember that we had a higher pick than them in every draft except for the Marcus Smart one and still couldn't build a sustainable contender with yutes. That's going to be the braintrust going into the inevitable rebuild. Boy am I excited. |
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| levon wrote: | | The folks that are envious of the Boston formula should remember that we had a higher pick than them in every draft except for the Marcus Smart one and still couldn't build a sustainable contender with yutes. That's going to be the braintrust going into the inevitable rebuild. Boy am I excited. |
True, plus the Keltics draft formula flamed out as well until they traded Smart…a fan favorite DPOY…and Williams for Jrue/Porzingis. The C’s wiffed on their other draftee in Rozier mistakenly switching him out for Kemba. They they also failed with free agent experiments Hayward/Kyrkie, and didn’t get a ship until after the Lakers had already won theirs. Even the ship this year was due in large part to a lucky break with Giannis throwing a tantrum that got Jrue moved through Portland and eventually to Foston. Checking their years since ships 1986-2008, then 2008-2024, shows lottery tours usually last for a long time and typically don’t work for a ship.
You don’t just book a tour of duty in the lottery then get a ship competitor. Once that cycle of losing starts it’s more difficult to escape from it. The likelyhood of competing for a ship is much more possible when a team already has two all stars…like the Lakers do now…rather than trudging through draft lotteries that could last for a dozen or more years. Competing for a ship is rare, spending time in the lottery is common, you don’t pass on good that is rare to go after bad that is common. Make no mistake, the tour in the lottery for the Lakers will be here soon enough without rushing it so if it is remotely possible, you go after a ship if there is only even just a slight chance.
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| Its not Bridges fault that to get trades done in the new NBA, you have to attach a boatload of picks. Regardless, Brides is a VERY good player and is really a limited commodity (REAL 3 and D player) currently in the NBA. He will help bring a championship to the NY Wildcats. |
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Knicks went all in. Wow. Their lineup looks good but leaves you questioning if it's more like Detroit Pistons of 2004 where they need that lucky year where all the right things fall in place for them.
Because they have a great stacked team (assuming OG re-signs) but they don't have that Joker, Curry, Giannis, Lebron etc level player.
To me, they've married themselves to ECF/2nd rounds for the next 3 years. Brunson is damn good, but he's not MVP/Alpha on a title team good. Then you argue well what about Tatum/Brown. Tatum/Brown are like having 2 all-star Brunson level players (and they play defense, Brunson does not). When I look at the Knicks I see a team that has 1 #1 caliber player, and a lot of #3s next to him. Usually teams like that don't win a ring. |
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| damn, gotta lower expectations for the rui/gabe/jhs package now |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Congrats to the Mavs for getting smoked in the finals. We were a 7 seed that won a single playoff game (first in 12 tries against Denver? We’ve got em right where we want em). Believe it or not, a full rebuild gets us closer to contention than running the hamster wheel for another few years and starting over then. |
The people writing the checks want to keep selling high priced tickets and interest high in Spectrum programming. You won't do that sending Lebron and Davis out the door. Ownership isn't doing a rebuild. |
The Lakers will always sell out home games (and road games). We sold out arenas when we only won 17 games. We don’t need Lebron for that. |
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Assuming they can keep OG who’s agent is the GM’s son lol, Knicks has the best back court/wings combo outside of Boston. I mean
Jalen-Mikal-OG
McBride-Hart-DiVicenzo
All of them 27-29 yrs old aka in their prime
Sheesh, plus they still have Randle salary, Mitchell salary and 4 FRPs to do further trade since they’re going all in and everything. One hell of a move by Leon. Ur turn Rob
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