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Betts/Freeman/Ohtani/Yamamoto are Dodgers bc they outbid every other team. |
You keep acting like free agents only sign because of the money. That's simply not true. There's other factors involved like winning, culture, desired location, etc. If it was solely about outbidding, then certainly the Yankees would've at least won one since '09, right?
AF cooked the BoSox on the Mookie trade. Betts re-signed and remained a Dodger because of the culture and the assurance of being a part of a winning team. Freeman came for the same. Sho wanted to be a Dodger when he posted but unfortunately there was no DH at the time. So we had to wait for the GOAT to become a FA. He spurnned all offers becasuse he wanted to a part of an org fully committed to winning -- even deferring money in the process. lol Yamamoto was the next domino. Not because of money but Friedman's strategery. So put some respect on that name.
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JJin77
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| lar9149 wrote: | JJ seem to indicate 2 things about possible schemes/styles for upcoming season..
Using AD as a "hub" which he isn't sure anyone has done before
And with the Lakers 29th in offensive rebounding percentage last year, having guys from the corners crash the boards rather than get back.
What do you guys think about these? I am not exactly sure what he means about AD as a "hub" but have some idea..I always taught Ham and Vogel basically did this..or perhaps he means on the offensive end? |
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JJin77
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| lar9149 wrote: | JJ seem to indicate 2 things about possible schemes/styles for upcoming season..
Using AD as a "hub" which he isn't sure anyone has done before
And with the Lakers 29th in offensive rebounding percentage last year, having guys from the corners crash the boards rather than get back.
What do you guys think about these? I am not exactly sure what he means about AD as a "hub" but have some idea..I always taught Ham and Vogel basically did this..or perhaps he means on the offensive end? |
Ham actually tried it successfully for a while. I remember a stretch where AD dishing out 4~7 apg. |
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| JJin77 wrote: | | lar9149 wrote: | JJ seem to indicate 2 things about possible schemes/styles for upcoming season..
Using AD as a "hub" which he isn't sure anyone has done before
And with the Lakers 29th in offensive rebounding percentage last year, having guys from the corners crash the boards rather than get back.
What do you guys think about these? I am not exactly sure what he means about AD as a "hub" but have some idea..I always taught Ham and Vogel basically did this..or perhaps he means on the offensive end? |
Ham actually tried it successfully for a while. I remember a stretch where AD dishing out 4~7 apg. |
Yep. Ham throwing everything at the wall (except last year's starting lineup and Max) and not bothering to see which things "stick." |
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When I heard that Rob was saying JJ was already drawing up plays for Dalton, I immediately thought of that StateFarm ad 
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| alleyoop wrote: | | When I heard that Rob was saying JJ was already drawing up plays for Dalton, I immediately thought of that StateFarm ad |
JJ gonna open up the floor for our penetrators
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| Quote: | | New Orleans Pelicans associate head coach James Borrego has removed himself from consideration for the Detroit Pistons head coach opening, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport. |
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| ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | New Orleans Pelicans associate head coach James Borrego has removed himself from consideration for the Detroit Pistons head coach opening, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport. |
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| rybee wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | New Orleans Pelicans associate head coach James Borrego has removed himself from consideration for the Detroit Pistons head coach opening, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport. |
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Probably goes back to NO? |
He’s either staying there or taking a lateral move here. There are no other HC openings.
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| ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | New Orleans Pelicans associate head coach James Borrego has removed himself from consideration for the Detroit Pistons head coach opening, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport. |
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Can you blame him? Who wants to start a HC career with a team who had a 123-95 W L record last season? Monty Williams escaped with a big payday and a Thank You Lawd.
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| ocho wrote: | | rybee wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | New Orleans Pelicans associate head coach James Borrego has removed himself from consideration for the Detroit Pistons head coach opening, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport. |
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Probably goes back to NO? |
He’s either staying there or taking a lateral move here. There are no other HC openings. |
Despite the Lakers history of replacing head coaches, the NO position will likely open up first.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | rybee wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | New Orleans Pelicans associate head coach James Borrego has removed himself from consideration for the Detroit Pistons head coach opening, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport. |
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Probably goes back to NO? |
He’s either staying there or taking a lateral move here. There are no other HC openings. |
Despite the Lakers history of replacing head coaches, the NO position will likely open up first. |
And it is pretty rare that teams replace a fired head coach from someone on the staff
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| Hard_Butter wrote: | | Dominic1981 wrote: |
Betts/Freeman/Ohtani/Yamamoto are Dodgers bc they outbid every other team. |
You keep acting like free agents only sign because of the money. That's simply not true. There's other factors involved like winning, culture, desired location, etc. If it was solely about outbidding, then certainly the Yankees would've at least won one since '09, right?
AF cooked the BoSox on the Mookie trade. Betts re-signed and remained a Dodger because of the culture and the assurance of being a part of a winning team. Freeman came for the same. Sho wanted to be a Dodger when he posted but unfortunately there was no DH at the time. So we had to wait for the GOAT to become a FA. He spurnned all offers becasuse he wanted to a part of an org fully committed to winning -- even deferring money in the process. lol Yamamoto was the next domino. Not because of money but Friedman's strategery. So put some respect on that name. |
Looking at contracts... Betts, Freeman and Ohtani are very team friendly. Yamamoto is the only one that seems big although he's only 25.
The Dodgers let Corey Saeger, Bellinger, Machado, etc walk because they weren't willing to match contracts (or because the agent is Scott Boras whom they absolutely will not deal with).
Glasnow and Teoscar Hernandez contracts were absolute steals.
The Dodgers actually build internally. Lux, Smith, Miller, Stone, Barnes, Andy Pages, Miguel Vargas, Kershaw, Gonsolin, Dustin May, Walker Buehler, Sheehan, etc are all dodgers prospects. Muncy, Taylor, Rojas, Heyward, etc are all rehab projects.
Management is extremely good.
Despite all the purchases, the Dodgers only have the 7th largest payroll: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/_/year/2024/sort/cap_total2
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If Ohtani doesn't defer the money, then the Dodgers are right there with the New York teams.
But I agree the Dodgers are well run.
They wouldn't let a sports agency call all the shots.
I didn't mind the Lakers signing Bronny, but I minded Rich strong arming the league and the team into drafting him. |
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| silkwilkes wrote: | | Hard_Butter wrote: | | Dominic1981 wrote: |
Betts/Freeman/Ohtani/Yamamoto are Dodgers bc they outbid every other team. |
You keep acting like free agents only sign because of the money. That's simply not true. There's other factors involved like winning, culture, desired location, etc. If it was solely about outbidding, then certainly the Yankees would've at least won one since '09, right?
AF cooked the BoSox on the Mookie trade. Betts re-signed and remained a Dodger because of the culture and the assurance of being a part of a winning team. Freeman came for the same. Sho wanted to be a Dodger when he posted but unfortunately there was no DH at the time. So we had to wait for the GOAT to become a FA. He spurnned all offers becasuse he wanted to a part of an org fully committed to winning -- even deferring money in the process. lol Yamamoto was the next domino. Not because of money but Friedman's strategery. So put some respect on that name. |
Looking at contracts... Betts, Freeman and Ohtani are very team friendly. Yamamoto is the only one that seems big although he's only 25.
The Dodgers let Corey Saeger, Bellinger, Machado, etc walk because they weren't willing to match contracts (or because the agent is Scott Boras whom they absolutely will not deal with).
Glasnow and Teoscar Hernandez contracts were absolute steals.
The Dodgers actually build internally. Lux, Smith, Miller, Stone, Barnes, Andy Pages, Miguel Vargas, Kershaw, Gonsolin, Dustin May, Walker Buehler, Sheehan, etc are all dodgers prospects. Muncy, Taylor, Rojas, Heyward, etc are all rehab projects.
Management is extremely good.
Despite all the purchases, the Dodgers only have the 7th largest payroll: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/_/year/2024/sort/cap_total2 |
Don't forget about hopefully rookie of the year this season Gavin Stone
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| ocho wrote: | | rybee wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | New Orleans Pelicans associate head coach James Borrego has removed himself from consideration for the Detroit Pistons head coach opening, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport. |
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Probably goes back to NO? |
He’s either staying there or taking a lateral move here. There are no other HC openings. |
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| LET'S PLEASE TAKE THE EXTENDED BASEBALL AND DODGER DISCUSSION TO THE OT FORUM. ONE REFERENCE WAS OKAY BUT NOW IT'S DERAILING THE THREAD. THANKS. |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | This site is a trip. We call our last head coach a terrorist. We call our new head coach a racist. |
What did I miss?!??!! |
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| BILBJH wrote: | If Ohtani doesn't defer the money, then the Dodgers are right there with the New York teams.
But I agree the Dodgers are well run.
They wouldn't let a sports agency call all the shots.
I didn't mind the Lakers signing Bronny, but I minded Rich strong arming the league and the team into drafting him. |
They wouldn't because they're a very smart organization with a deep scouting infrastructure and analytics department that's right up there with any other in the league. They have confidence in their talent-rating and roster-building acumen. If Mookie Betts or Shohei came up to them and said "you should sign this guy i used to play with, he's my best friend and he's also good," Friedman would come back with stacks of data and hours of tape showing said player's weaknesses and why other options are better. This is something our Mom and Pop shoestring budget ass front office can't do. Jeanie can't afford and/or isn't smart enough to build this kind of front office. It's cheaper and easier to outsource it to an agency and its star players. |
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| Quote: | | Dallas Mavericks assistant coach Jared Dudley is signing with @KlutchSports for representation as he continues climbing the coaching ranks, sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport. |
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| ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | Dallas Mavericks assistant coach Jared Dudley is signing with @KlutchSports for representation as he continues climbing the coaching ranks, sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport. |
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Klutch is funny. “We got a job for you. Just sign”
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