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| MJST wrote: | | The thing with Jim is, the Lakers were in a rebuild. The fans refused to believe that because they had this false thought in their mind that the Lakers were above rebuilding while at the same time refreshing Tankathon whenever we lost a game. |
Jim's 4 year rebuild did not fair very well, at all....
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | KingKobe20 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Anyway, without Jeanie and her pettiness + decision making.
Jerry West would be back in the FO as a consultant.
Ryan West would still be here.
The FO would have told the fans to embrace the rebuild.
We'd have likely landed LaMarcus Aldridge in Free Agency
Jerry Buss's promise to Jerry West would have been fulfilled(the lifetime tickets).
Linda and Kurt Rambis wouldn't be making or forcing decisions.
We'd have Tyronn Lue or Monty Williams as our coach.
Magic wouldn't have been empowered beyond 'advisor' and we wouldn't have traded away some of our pieces for nothing as a result of that.
LeBron would have still come. |
You could also add the clippers of today wouldn't be this "championship juggernaut" that some LGers foolishly gush about on a daily.
Kawhi doesn't sign there without Jerry telling him the dysfunctional Lakers are trash |
Jerry had to buy KL family member a house to sign. Plus did KL want to play with bron? AAAAnd thank goodness we didn't pay KL 100Mil. he plays less than AD and unlike AD's injuries his are actually degenerative. |
Kawhi wants to beat Lebron, not be his sidekick. |
Right now he's doing neither. |
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| Obviously not, because Frank Vogel is still the head coach of the Lakers... |
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Rams and Dodgers are showing what it takes in the modern sports world.
Just sell, Jeanie. You can’t hang. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| deal wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | The thing with Jim is, the Lakers were in a rebuild. The fans refused to believe that because they had this false thought in their mind that the Lakers were above rebuilding while at the same time refreshing Tankathon whenever we lost a game. |
Jim's 4 year rebuild did not fair very well, at all.... |
Sometimes, actually, most of the time, 4 years isn't enough. It takes time to build a consistent winner that's young and talented. We had pieces that we didn't utilize very well.
Imo, we're worst off in the long run since Jeanie took over. It sucks.
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | deal wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | The thing with Jim is, the Lakers were in a rebuild. The fans refused to believe that because they had this false thought in their mind that the Lakers were above rebuilding while at the same time refreshing Tankathon whenever we lost a game. |
Jim's 4 year rebuild did not fair very well, at all.... |
Sometimes, actually, most of the time, 4 years isn't enough. It takes time to build a consistent winner that's young and talented. We had pieces that we didn't utilize very well.
Imo, we're worst off in the long run since Jeanie took over. It sucks. |
We won a ring
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| deal wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | The thing with Jim is, the Lakers were in a rebuild. The fans refused to believe that because they had this false thought in their mind that the Lakers were above rebuilding while at the same time refreshing Tankathon whenever we lost a game. |
Jim's 4 year rebuild did not fair very well, at all.... |
Really? It got us the players to trade for AD. If Jeanie and Pelinka were in charge that never would have happened.
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| Halflife wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | deal wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | The thing with Jim is, the Lakers were in a rebuild. The fans refused to believe that because they had this false thought in their mind that the Lakers were above rebuilding while at the same time refreshing Tankathon whenever we lost a game. |
Jim's 4 year rebuild did not fair very well, at all.... |
Sometimes, actually, most of the time, 4 years isn't enough. It takes time to build a consistent winner that's young and talented. We had pieces that we didn't utilize very well.
Imo, we're worst off in the long run since Jeanie took over. It sucks. |
We won a ring |
And twice in the lottery with no picks to show for it
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | deal wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | The thing with Jim is, the Lakers were in a rebuild. The fans refused to believe that because they had this false thought in their mind that the Lakers were above rebuilding while at the same time refreshing Tankathon whenever we lost a game. |
Jim's 4 year rebuild did not fair very well, at all.... |
Sometimes, actually, most of the time, 4 years isn't enough. It takes time to build a consistent winner that's young and talented. We had pieces that we didn't utilize very well.
Imo, we're worst off in the long run since Jeanie took over. It sucks. |
We won a ring |
And twice in the lottery with no picks to show for it |
I know. But hindsight is on our side. You do whatever it takes to win ring, bubble or not and deal with consequences later.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| deal wrote: | | Jim's 4 year rebuild did not fair very well, at all.... |
With the exception of the last season moves for Deng and Mozgov to try to make the playoffs so he didn't get replaced, the Lakers rebuild had gone pretty well. They had cleared cap space but couldn't find takers. But they drafted Clarkson (6MOY), Russell (All-Star), Ingram (All-Star), Randle (All-Star), Lonzo, Nance, Hart, Caruso, and Kuzma. They had stockpiled some assets. |
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| I’ve seen enough Of her to be honest |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | deal wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | The thing with Jim is, the Lakers were in a rebuild. The fans refused to believe that because they had this false thought in their mind that the Lakers were above rebuilding while at the same time refreshing Tankathon whenever we lost a game. |
Jim's 4 year rebuild did not fair very well, at all.... |
Really? It got us the players to trade for AD. If Jeanie and Pelinka were in charge that never would have happened. |
and he tried to trade tho pieces for Cousins but thankfully Mitch prevented |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| Palin wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | deal wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | The thing with Jim is, the Lakers were in a rebuild. The fans refused to believe that because they had this false thought in their mind that the Lakers were above rebuilding while at the same time refreshing Tankathon whenever we lost a game. |
Jim's 4 year rebuild did not fair very well, at all.... |
Really? It got us the players to trade for AD. If Jeanie and Pelinka were in charge that never would have happened. |
and he tried to trade tho pieces for Cousins but thankfully Mitch prevented |
Funny that lots of posters here want Cousins, even now. They would have supported that trade.
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| LakerSD wrote: | Rams and Dodgers are showing what it takes in the modern sports world.
Just sell, Jeanie. You can’t hang. |
I agree with this as modern sports teams owned by a corporate type ownership that have no personal ties. Love what the Dodgers have done, they put in the best people to run the team and payed them well. No buddies or ex coaches just a professional corporation that has the resources to out compete anyone. |
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| Stumpy25 wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | Rams and Dodgers are showing what it takes in the modern sports world.
Just sell, Jeanie. You can’t hang. |
I agree with this as modern sports teams owned by a corporate type ownership that have no personal ties. Love what the Dodgers have done, they put in the best people to run the team and payed them well. No buddies or ex coaches just a professional corporation that has the resources to out compete anyone. |
I hope she sees the light.' Her family needs to sell the team. Rambis are apparently clueless. Pelinka had no idea how to convince Lebron that Westbrook was a poor fit. He approved the deal when most people would not do it.
Other organizations with deeper pockets are being managed better.
Look at the recent articles on the Grizziles.
Report: Grizzlies owner Robert Pera signaling intent to spend big
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2022/03/31/report-grizzlies-owner-robert-pera-signaling-intent-to-spend-big/ |
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i don't understand why is she clinging onto the power. Buss family can sell some of their shares and become a minority owner, so they still maintain the Laker owner title to brag. it's not like we're asking them to sell all their shares and get out of the Lakers completely. just become a minority owner and let someone with deeper pocket and more forward thinking become the majority owner who can call the shots.
problem is Jeannie has too many mouths around her to tell her how great she is as the Laker owner, and what a terrible idea to give up the majority ownership. those people are her closest friends, because they know once she does that, they all be out of jobs. |
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I’m glad you brought up Pera, I read that yesterday. I had no idea that the Griz owner was the third richest in the NBA (or that Gilbert was #2). They are building a nice core in Memphis and it looks like they have the means to keep the ones they want.
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | i don't understand why is she clinging onto the power. Buss family can sell some of their shares and become a minority owner, so they still maintain the Laker owner title to brag. it's not like we're asking them to sell all their shares and get out of the Lakers completely. just become a minority owner and let someone with deeper pocket and more forward thinking become the majority owner who can call the shots.
problem is Jeannie has too many mouths around her to tell her how great she is as the Laker owner, and what a terrible idea to give up the majority ownership. those people are her closest friends, because they know once she does that, they all be out of jobs. |
The problem is that selling any stock requires cooperation with multiple family members. Family members who don’t associate with each other. The family dysfunction is real, they are more likely to sue one another than cooperate with one another.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | i don't understand why is she clinging onto the power. Buss family can sell some of their shares and become a minority owner, so they still maintain the Laker owner title to brag. it's not like we're asking them to sell all their shares and get out of the Lakers completely. just become a minority owner and let someone with deeper pocket and more forward thinking become the majority owner who can call the shots.
problem is Jeannie has too many mouths around her to tell her how great she is as the Laker owner, and what a terrible idea to give up the majority ownership. those people are her closest friends, because they know once she does that, they all be out of jobs. |
The problem is that selling any stock requires cooperation with multiple family members. Family members who don’t associate with each other. The family dysfunction is real, they are more likely to sue one another than cooperate with one another. |
also to make the matter worse, if there is some bitter family in-fighting, other owners and the league most likely won't step in for a ownership change like they did with the Clippers, they want Jeannie Buss continue to ruin (oops, i meant run) the Lakers forever. |
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| If Jeanie's depiction in Winning Time: The Rise of the Lakers Dynasty is accurate, then it's clear that she is a deer caught in the headlights; idealistic, innocently gullible, but with no real conviction or backbone. I can imagine her now, sitting in some board room, shyly having ideas, but being ignored by the likes of Rob, Rambis, Lebron and Klutch. People are what they are. Jeanie is not and will never be a hands-on, basketball educated owner. We just have to accept that. |
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| laker4life wrote: |
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Other organizations with deeper pockets are being managed better.
Look at the recent articles on the Grizziles.
Report: Grizzlies owner Robert Pera signaling intent to spend big
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It's a myth that great management incurs a prohibitive cost. The lion's share of the cost is the players' contracts, coaching/management costs pale compared to that. And the Lakers have absolutely been paying so (4th highest lux tax bill) so deep pockets are not an issue unless you're making the argument that ownership is choosing to skimp on non-player-salary expenses. Therein you may be right but I contend that's just lazy/ineffectual ownership/management that's acting "scared" when handed the bill.
Now the NBA has only a hundred or so management positions. Meanwhile corporate America is loaded with excellent raw managerial talent that has powered, and is powering, the largest most successful economy in the world. And basketball isn't some unique entity that requires some otherworldly talent/knowledge to operate; wise owners, especially ones who have cut their teeth in competitive real-world corporations, should (and I'm certain will) create superior organizations by harnessing this available talent and putting sueprior executive teams and a governance model that holds them accountable. This is what corporate America does day in and day out.
The new generation of NBA ownership (GS/Memphis etc.) has only taken root in the past 10-20 years. The more there are teams that bring modern hungry management to their franchises, the more difficult it will be for ad-hoc ownership/management styles like the Lakers to remain competitive over the long haul. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | deal wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | The thing with Jim is, the Lakers were in a rebuild. The fans refused to believe that because they had this false thought in their mind that the Lakers were above rebuilding while at the same time refreshing Tankathon whenever we lost a game. |
Jim's 4 year rebuild did not fair very well, at all.... |
Sometimes, actually, most of the time, 4 years isn't enough. It takes time to build a consistent winner that's young and talented. We had pieces that we didn't utilize very well.
Imo, we're worst off in the long run since Jeanie took over. It sucks. |
Maybe, but the Lakers should not be in the hands of bad or worse. Jeanie needs to wake up and rethink a decent strategy which does no include the current individuals the lead her down this path.
It would be adding insult to injury to even consider Jim, again.
It's a great business but you need to invest wisely. To no avail is it
that the Lakers dish out the 5th or 6th highest payroll to be the laughing
stock of the league.
Sometimes you only wish the FO would read all many these pleads to improve
from the fan base in general.
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| sadly, we will be looking at Phil Jackson and Linda Rambis as shadow owners, Kurt Rambis as head coach, and some "yes man" as the GM for years to come. |
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I don’t think that things are as they are because Jeanie doesn’t care or isn’t trying to fix things, I think that she doesn’t know how to run the team. She doesn’t know who to reach out to and who to trust so she relies on her inner circle. And of course they aren’t going to recommend someone to run the team, they would probably be out. She had a sliver of a chance when West wanted to return but let her pettiness get in the way of a good business decision. I think that the future looks a lot like the past, 4-5 years of bottom dwelling followed by a couple of years of competing and then another 4-5 years of low playoff seed/no playoffs.
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We've seen enough of Jeannie Buss.
Unfortunately, Jeannie doesn't answer to anyone.
The Buss family doesn't have to sell anything to bring in top FO talent. All they need is for Jeannie to step away from her role and let real talent create a top notch organization that understands the NBA, the competitive environment among teams/owners, and makes smart decisions. Then again it might be easier to raise the Titanic from the ocean floor.
Jeannie doesn't answer to anyone. Laker fans, family, advisors, anyone. |
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