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Kblo247! wrote:
| Quote: | | He’s the one who chose to go to the clippers and then Jeanie beat him to the punch of winning a title and recruiting the two right players in Bron and AD over Kawhi and PG. |
Pardon the interruption. Jerry beat her to Kawhi and PG13. The Lakers thought they had locked both up. They stiffed us.
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Jesus, West averaged more per game in the playoffs than either LeBron or AD.
He did this before the three point line when many of his shots were taken from that distance. So his actual scoring would have been way more.
He once averaged 46 points in a playoff series.
He once won finals MVP when the Lakers lost.
West was stopped by Russell and a deeper team.
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Lakers got very lucky Kawhi stiffed them. Very very fortunate because Bron/Kawhi duo wasn't going to win anything especially when Kawhi is even more injury proned than AD.
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| jodeke wrote: | Kblo247! wrote:
| Quote: | | He’s the one who chose to go to the clippers and then Jeanie beat him to the punch of winning a title and recruiting the two right players in Bron and AD over Kawhi and PG. |
Pardon the interruption. Jerry beat her to Kawhi and PG13. The Lakers thought they had locked both up. They stiffed us. |
The lakers got Bron. That was the most important. They got AD the second most important. PG and Kawhi were recruited at guy 3. The clippers stole guy 3a and 3b. Haven’t won anything, have made just 1 conference finals in all this time, their duo played less games, and they have fired multiple coaches and traded multiple picks too. West failed as a clipper exec, he got no results. Balmer has got no results as an owner. Pelinka and West/Frank have been in charge of the LA teams and Pelinka has the ring. Jeanie and Balmer have been the primary owners for both about the same time and Jeanie has the ring and more conference finals appearances. Pelinka and Jeanie have them beat in the race so far
If you gave Jeanie and Robs, Balmers checkbook, you don’t think they have more rings and say f more taxes, when they have already one upped them to the finish line?
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Kblo247!
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| BILBJH wrote: | Jesus, West averaged more per game in the playoffs than either LeBron or AD.
He did this before the three point line when many of his shots were taken from that distance. So his actual scoring would have been way more.
He once averaged 46 points in a playoff series.
He once won finals MVP when the Lakers lost.
West was stopped by Russell and a deeper team.
To say he wasn't a winning player is f*cking crazy. |
He was 1/9 and needed Wilt. Him and Elgin weren’t beating Boston. Him, Elgin, and Goodrich not beating Boston. It took wilt, a person who had won without him to win it all. Wilt was the superior player and reason for the lakers winning, don’t get that twisted at all. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | Miss America was forced to relinquish her crown because she posed nude and that tarnished the pageant. Should Jeanie be forced to sell because she posed for Playboy in her birthday suit? The NFL went after Kraft for being in a massage parlor. |
You really shouldn't discuss things you know NOTHING about. |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | Jesus, West averaged more per game in the playoffs than either LeBron or AD.
He did this before the three point line when many of his shots were taken from that distance. So his actual scoring would have been way more.
He once averaged 46 points in a playoff series.
He once won finals MVP when the Lakers lost.
West was stopped by Russell and a deeper team.
To say he wasn't a winning player is f*cking crazy. |
He was 1/9 and needed Wilt. Him and Elgin weren’t beating Boston. Him, Elgin, and Goodrich not beating Boston. It took wilt, a person who had won without him to win it all. Wilt was the superior player and reason for the lakers winning, don’t get that twisted at all. |
Hey Kurt... how are you? |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | Jesus, West averaged more per game in the playoffs than either LeBron or AD.
He did this before the three point line when many of his shots were taken from that distance. So his actual scoring would have been way more.
He once averaged 46 points in a playoff series.
He once won finals MVP when the Lakers lost.
West was stopped by Russell and a deeper team.
To say he wasn't a winning player is f*cking crazy. |
He was 1/9 and needed Wilt. Him and Elgin weren’t beating Boston. Him, Elgin, and Goodrich not beating Boston. It took wilt, a person who had won without him to win it all. Wilt was the superior player and reason for the lakers winning, don’t get that twisted at all. |
he never jumped to another mans team.
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| Quote: | | Gary Vitti admitted that the recent decisions the Lakers have made, including their treatment of Jerry West, currently makes it hard to root for the franchise. |
Jeanie stays f'ing things up..sucks that there's a higher chance she'd let her husband run things than her selling the team. |
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Kblo247!
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| Halflife wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | Jesus, West averaged more per game in the playoffs than either LeBron or AD.
He did this before the three point line when many of his shots were taken from that distance. So his actual scoring would have been way more.
He once averaged 46 points in a playoff series.
He once won finals MVP when the Lakers lost.
West was stopped by Russell and a deeper team.
To say he wasn't a winning player is f*cking crazy. |
He was 1/9 and needed Wilt. Him and Elgin weren’t beating Boston. Him, Elgin, and Goodrich not beating Boston. It took wilt, a person who had won without him to win it all. Wilt was the superior player and reason for the lakers winning, don’t get that twisted at all. |
he never jumped to another mans team. |
1 because it would have been taboo. You can’t name a time where a white player forced his way to another team back then. A black one like Wilt or Kareem sure but it would have been the ultimate taboo. And he lucked into Wilt coming there. Then wilt won the ring, not Wilts only ring either.
I’ll give him all the credit for showtime.
But you have to think it’s strange how Kobe, Shaq, Fox, Fisher, Horry, Elden, Rice, Rodman, Nick, Eddie in different variations can’t win and their coaches can’t hold a locker room … Then Phil comes an literally tells West in front the team to get the fk out his locker room because they weren’t going to be going to him and the team hauls off with less talent and wins 5 titles, in 7 finals appearances, where never missing the playoffs and always being over 500 (even the smush and Kwame team).
West holds a grudge for Phil doing it but once it happened the team won, and never looked back and he became incredibly bitter towards the lakers. |
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Gary Vitti isn't pleased:
| Quote: | | “The decisions that they’ve made, it makes it really hard to root for the Lakers. Not impossible. But it’s hard. Because you’re torn. Because there’s people that you love that were hurt,” Vitti said. |
Until they clean house or establish some kind of winning culture, the ostracization of West will hang over their heads for a long time. Just painful to see how low this organization has fallen.
Mitch, despite his blunders, was all class when it came to these things. I remember MozDeng and I'd still prefer that to the current (bleep) show.
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | Gary Vitti isn't pleased:
| Quote: | | “The decisions that they’ve made, it makes it really hard to root for the Lakers. Not impossible. But it’s hard. Because you’re torn. Because there’s people that you love that were hurt,” Vitti said. |
Until they clean house or establish some kind of winning culture, the ostracization of West will hang over their heads for a long time. Just painful to see how low this organization has fallen.
Mitch, despite his blunders, was all class when it came to these things. I remember MozDeng and I'd still prefer that to the current (bleep) show. |
And Gary Vitti widely known to be one of the good guys around the league. There's a reason why he was with the Lakers for so long. If HE don't like you, then there's something wrong with YOU.
| Quote: | | In fact, it reached the point where West's cachet nearly drew Kobe Bryant to the Grizzlies; in 2004, Bryant reached free agency and, according to West, reached out to the Grizzlies with the desire to play for his former general manager. West, however, told Bryant to stay in LA, saying that he belonged there. |
Just another tidbit where West lent a helping hand from afar.
Thank you, Jerry.
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| Hard_Butter wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | Gary Vitti isn't pleased:
| Quote: | | “The decisions that they’ve made, it makes it really hard to root for the Lakers. Not impossible. But it’s hard. Because you’re torn. Because there’s people that you love that were hurt,” Vitti said. |
Until they clean house or establish some kind of winning culture, the ostracization of West will hang over their heads for a long time. Just painful to see how low this organization has fallen.
Mitch, despite his blunders, was all class when it came to these things. I remember MozDeng and I'd still prefer that to the current (bleep) show. |
And Gary Vitti widely known to be one of the good guys around the league. There's a reason why he was with the Lakers for so long. If HE don't like you, then there's something wrong with YOU.
| Quote: | | In fact, it reached the point where West's cachet nearly drew Kobe Bryant to the Grizzlies; in 2004, Bryant reached free agency and, according to West, reached out to the Grizzlies with the desire to play for his former general manager. West, however, told Bryant to stay in LA, saying that he belonged there. |
Just another tidbit where West lent a helping hand from afar.
Thank you, Jerry. |
I remember this and its kinda insane what West did here. Kobe is interesting in joining your team and yet you turn him down simply because you want to look out for him and do what you think is in his best interests. Im sure there is a lot of "there is no f'ing way Kobe actually comes here" thing going on but still incredible story how West told Kobe to stay with the Lakers. |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | Jesus, West averaged more per game in the playoffs than either LeBron or AD.
He did this before the three point line when many of his shots were taken from that distance. So his actual scoring would have been way more.
He once averaged 46 points in a playoff series.
He once won finals MVP when the Lakers lost.
West was stopped by Russell and a deeper team.
To say he wasn't a winning player is f*cking crazy. |
He was 1/9 and needed Wilt. Him and Elgin weren’t beating Boston. Him, Elgin, and Goodrich not beating Boston. It took wilt, a person who had won without him to win it all. Wilt was the superior player and reason for the lakers winning, don’t get that twisted at all. |
By 1972 Wilt needed West as much as West needed him.
Wilt also fought with Van Breda Kolff to the point where they probably lost the title in 1969 because there was a Pippen like feud in Game 7 where Van Breda Kolff was pissed that Wilt wanted out at the end of the game and then he asked back in.
I'm not saying it wasn't half Van Breda Kolff's fault because he was a prick and egomaniac also but if those two got along we'd already have 18.
My family had season tickets back then and I saw Wilt as a little kid. He was still amazing but this wasn't like 1962. His knees were going and he relied on a lot of fall away jump shots because he couldn't just overpower everyone inside like he used to. I remember my dad would get pissed because he'd just do that fall away or finger roll instead of just dunking the ball.
That was a team effort to win that title. Happy Hairston, Jim McMillian, Stumpy, Keith Erickson... even Riley was on that team.
Wilt was important but West was still averaging 26 and Wilt only 15 that year. |
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Oh my, things are starting to come out about the Governor of the Lakers.
Despite the calls by some (if not most) of the LG community to sell, we know that will not happen. I would concede that she should at least appoint Jesse and Joey to run the team. That way she can truly just sit back in the 100 section, and just watch the games with Linda.
That way she can truly say she's "hands off" over the direction of the team.
Perception seems to be reality and it will be very challenging for her to shake this impression. Especially when sports shows, the internet blogs, and discussion boards are pushing the narrative.
Jerry and Gary's words don't help.
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Maybe all the negative news about the Lakers being cheap and Jeanie Buss being a penny pincher will prompt a change in the team’s culture. Jeanie might reflect on whether she wants her team to resemble the Donald Sterling-era Clippers or maintain the prestigious reputation of the Lakers.
This change must begin at the top, with the owner. Jeanie needs to stop hiring friends and instead bring in someone with genuine basketball expertise to oversee basketball operations. She should focus on managing the business aspects, as she did when Dr. Buss was alive. |
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Jeannie Buss pissed off all these laker greats was not for herself, it was all for sticking up for Phil Jackson. Phil was using her to gain power within the organization, any fool can see that coming from miles away. Okay, I get it, she defended Phil and went against Jerry West when they were together. But the latest Jerry west diss came long after the she and Phil broke up, that’s what I don’t understand. Can she be this naive and dumb?
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | Jeannie Buss pissed off all these laker greats not for herself, it was all for stick up for Phil Jackson. Phil has was using her to get power within the organization, any fool can see that coming from miles away. Okay, I get it, she defended Phil and went against Jerry West when they were together. But the latest Jerry west diss came long after the she and Phil broke up, that’s what I don’t understand. Can she be this naive and dumb? |
Listen to some of her interviews and follow some of her tweets, yes she absolutely can be this naive and dumb |
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| BEazy wrote: | Maybe all the negative news about the Lakers being cheap and Jeanie Buss being a penny pincher will prompt a change in the team’s culture. Jeanie might reflect on whether she wants her team to resemble the Donald Sterling-era Clippers or maintain the prestigious reputation of the Lakers.
This change must begin at the top, with the owner. Jeanie needs to stop hiring friends and instead bring in someone with genuine basketball expertise to oversee basketball operations. She should focus on managing the business aspects, as she did when Dr. Buss was alive. |
We've been saying she's cheap for 10 years now. It's not like it's something new. Never underestimate the stubbornness of Ms. Jeanie Buss.
I feel like the more we press her to change, the more she would stubbornly remain the same. The only person who could change her is herself. I don't think even Jay Mohr could convince her. She's like Mrs. Hurley. They're the alpha females in the family.
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| BILBJH wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | Jesus, West averaged more per game in the playoffs than either LeBron or AD.
He did this before the three point line when many of his shots were taken from that distance. So his actual scoring would have been way more.
He once averaged 46 points in a playoff series.
He once won finals MVP when the Lakers lost.
West was stopped by Russell and a deeper team.
To say he wasn't a winning player is f*cking crazy. |
He was 1/9 and needed Wilt. Him and Elgin weren’t beating Boston. Him, Elgin, and Goodrich not beating Boston. It took wilt, a person who had won without him to win it all. Wilt was the superior player and reason for the lakers winning, don’t get that twisted at all. |
By 1972 Wilt needed West as much as West needed him.
Wilt also fought with Van Breda Kolff to the point where they probably lost the title in 1969 because there was a Pippen like feud in Game 7 where Van Breda Kolff was pissed that Wilt wanted out at the end of the game and then he asked back in.
I'm not saying it wasn't half Van Breda Kolff's fault because he was a prick and egomaniac also but if those two got along we'd already have 18.
My family had season tickets back then and I saw Wilt as a little kid. He was still amazing but this wasn't like 1962. His knees were going and he relied on a lot of fall away jump shots because he couldn't just overpower everyone inside like he used to. I remember my dad would get pissed because he'd just do that fall away or finger roll instead of just dunking the ball.
That was a team effort to win that title. Happy Hairston, Jim McMillian, Stumpy, Keith Erickson... even Riley was on that team.
Wilt was important but West was still averaging 26 and Wilt only 15 that year. |
I agree. I watched that series because it was included on one of the Kobe/Pau championship DVD's. Wilt was more of a super role player than a dominant force at that point.
If I recall, he even had a cast on his arm for that series, so he wasn't at full strength. He was there to rebound and block shots, and he did that very well. But he wasn't the focal point of the offense at all. |
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| Halflife wrote: | | She is not the problem. Being beholden to a player whose stats dont lead to wins and a GM who listens to him are. Her crime is being too emotionally attached |
Do you have a basic understanding of how the league works? She is the reason that the player and GM are Laker employees. She is definitely a big part of the problem.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | She is not the problem. Being beholden to a player whose stats dont lead to wins and a GM who listens to him are. Her crime is being too emotionally attached |
Do you have a basic understanding of how the league works? She is the reason that the player and GM are Laker employees. She is definitely a big part of the problem. |
Literally president of the Lakers. She's been president for 10 years and an executive for much longer. Whatever she's learned over that time, it doesn't seem to be reflected in her decision-making. I don't think she's comfortable making hard decisions but also doesn't want to give up control, which explains the prominence of the Rambii, Magic and Rob. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | She is not the problem. Being beholden to a player whose stats dont lead to wins and a GM who listens to him are. Her crime is being too emotionally attached |
Do you have a basic understanding of how the league works? She is the reason that the player and GM are Laker employees. She is definitely a big part of the problem. |
No matter how one feels about where the blame should fall, everyone should agree that solving the team's problems starts with Jeanie. She has to be the one to change, or no one else below her will. |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Lakers got very lucky Kawhi stiffed them. Very very fortunate because Bron/Kawhi duo wasn't going to win anything especially when Kawhi is even more injury proned than AD. |
Lakers did get lucky. Kawhi hasn't been fully available or healthy for the playoffs the last four years. And the one year he was healthy before that he was really bad in a do or die game. Lakers fans would lose their minds with that kind of failure rate and his salary obliterating any depth. |
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| BILBJH wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | Jesus, West averaged more per game in the playoffs than either LeBron or AD.
He did this before the three point line when many of his shots were taken from that distance. So his actual scoring would have been way more.
He once averaged 46 points in a playoff series.
He once won finals MVP when the Lakers lost.
West was stopped by Russell and a deeper team.
To say he wasn't a winning player is f*cking crazy. |
He was 1/9 and needed Wilt. Him and Elgin weren’t beating Boston. Him, Elgin, and Goodrich not beating Boston. It took wilt, a person who had won without him to win it all. Wilt was the superior player and reason for the lakers winning, don’t get that twisted at all. |
By 1972 Wilt needed West as much as West needed him.
Wilt also fought with Van Breda Kolff to the point where they probably lost the title in 1969 because there was a Pippen like feud in Game 7 where Van Breda Kolff was pissed that Wilt wanted out at the end of the game and then he asked back in.
I'm not saying it wasn't half Van Breda Kolff's fault because he was a prick and egomaniac also but if those two got along we'd already have 18.
My family had season tickets back then and I saw Wilt as a little kid. He was still amazing but this wasn't like 1962. His knees were going and he relied on a lot of fall away jump shots because he couldn't just overpower everyone inside like he used to. I remember my dad would get pissed because he'd just do that fall away or finger roll instead of just dunking the ball.
That was a team effort to win that title. Happy Hairston, Jim McMillian, Stumpy, Keith Erickson... even Riley was on that team.
Wilt was important but West was still averaging 26 and Wilt only 15 that year. |
Funny that the 1972 Finals was his worst performance in the finals. He used to carry the team with legendary performances but with no title, while he played like sh*t yet he won his lone title.
He was 38-117 (.325) for the series.
Game 1: 3-15, 12 points
Game 2: 6-21, 15 points
Game 3: 10-28, 21 points
Game 4: 9-25, 28 points
Game 5: 10-28, 23 points. |
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