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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:25 pm Post subject:
venturalakersfan wrote:
I would try to trade Simmons, if he can’t shoot he limits what the team can do.
Elite defender and playmaker, though. Not sure they will get a fair return. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
I really don't know what the 76ers can do. They're paying Tobias Harris superstar money (disclaimer: he's not a superstar) and paying Al Horford $26M until he's 37 years old.
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:01 am Post subject:
unleasHell wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
I would try to trade Simmons, if he can’t shoot he limits what the team can do.
Elite defender and playmaker, though. Not sure they will get a fair return.
How about Lilliard or Bradley Beal?
Salaries line up as well...
Does Portland make that trade?
Washington is definitely in rebuild mode with post-Achilles John Wall, so that’s intriguing... _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
I would try to trade Simmons, if he can’t shoot he limits what the team can do.
Elite defender and playmaker, though. Not sure they will get a fair return.
Elite defenders can also make a shot. Except for Tony Allen, defensive specialists in the past all can make an open shot: Bobby Jones, Coop, Artest, Bowen, Ariza. _________________ “Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.”
― Isaac Asimov
How Rivers keeps getting the best jobs, with 2 all-stars, is beyond me. He has been failing since he had CP3, DAJ, Blake in their all-star PRIMES. I mean, that team never went beyond the 2nd round.
Then, he got prime Kawhi and PG13, and a deep Clipper team that was the most talented team in the NBA. Again, 2nd round.
He is still living off the brilliance of the 2007-08 season, where he had prime KG/Pierce/Allen/Rondo on offense, and coach Thibs organized one of the best defensive schemes ever seen at that time. If not for coach Thibs, that Boston team would not have that D they had. It was their weapon.
Sixers made a mistake. They needed to look for the next Nick Nurse, not the guy that has shown he can not lead 2 all-star teams past the 2nd round. I mean if he weren't Doc, if he were anyone else, he wouldn't have gotten this job based on his work the last 7 years.
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:23 pm Post subject:
The Sixers best shot was with the team they had last year. They had a great star and closer in Butler, and he's a true leader who could've been the mentor Simmons and Embiid need. They messed up by not keeping Butler and instead giving that money to Tobias Harris and Al Horford.
They need a coach with the championship pedigree where Simmons and Embiid will listen to him willingly. Not sure if that's Doc.
I still see lots of potential in their duo, but I don't know how much desire either of them have to overcome their flaws. If Simmons became a decent perimeter shooter, he could become a bonafide superstar and open things up for Embiid. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
Doc Rivers only has 1 ring, but that’s more than Jerry Sloan, Mike D’Antoni, Don Nelson and George Karl ever won. Larry Brown only has 1 ring. Rivers nearly won another ring in 2010.
Rivers is also a good talker so he can sell himself.
And he has a lot of head coaching experience in the NBA.
These things will lead to him getting good job offers, even if he isn’t that good of a coach.
The Sixers best shot was with the team they had last year. They had a great star and closer in Butler, and he's a true leader who could've been the mentor Simmons and Embiid need. They messed up by not keeping Butler and instead giving that money to Tobias Harris and Al Horford.
They need a coach with the championship pedigree where Simmons and Embiid will listen to him willingly. Not sure if that's Doc.
I still see lots of potential in their duo, but I don't know how much desire either of them have to overcome their flaws. If Simmons became a decent perimeter shooter, he could become a bonafide superstar and open things up for Embiid.
Tobias Harris over Butler. W t f. _________________ KOBE
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:25 am Post subject:
jonnybravo wrote:
slavavov wrote:
The Sixers best shot was with the team they had last year. They had a great star and closer in Butler, and he's a true leader who could've been the mentor Simmons and Embiid need. They messed up by not keeping Butler and instead giving that money to Tobias Harris and Al Horford.
They need a coach with the championship pedigree where Simmons and Embiid will listen to him willingly. Not sure if that's Doc.
I still see lots of potential in their duo, but I don't know how much desire either of them have to overcome their flaws. If Simmons became a decent perimeter shooter, he could become a bonafide superstar and open things up for Embiid.
Tobias Harris over Butler. W t f.
That team with Butler, Simmons and Embiid had a HIGH ceiling. They ran us out of the gym in January of 2019 and looked downright scary.
Better for us though, I wouldn't have looked forward to playing that team in the Finals. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
Doc Rivers’ comment after the Celtic had blown his 76ers out of the water in Game 7 of the second round proved to be prophetic — Tuesday the 76ers fired Doc Rivers, a story first reported by Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN and confirmed by Noah Levick of NBC Sports Philadelphia and, eventually, the 76ers themselves.
“Doc is one of the most successful coaches in NBA history, a future Hall of Famer, and someone I respect immensely,” 76ers President of Basketball Operations Daryl Morey said in a statement. “We’re grateful for all he did in his three seasons here and thank him for the important impact he made on our franchise. After having the chance to reflect upon our season, we decided that certain changes are necessary to further our goals of competing for a championship.”
This wasn’t a surprise.
Last week’s ugly exit from the playoffs — the 76ers were up 3-2 in the series and ahead in the fourth quarter of Game 6 at home before five quarters of basketball where Joel Embiid and James Harden fell off the map — was the team’s third straight exit in the second round of the playoffs (Rivers never got them to the Conference Finals). This team has the MVP in Embiid and a deep roster that finished with the third-best record in the NBA (they lost to the second-best). More was expected of them, even if Rivers had to navigate challenging situations like Ben Simmons and everything around him. Two other things helped lead to Rivers’ firing:
1) He was not Morey’s hire. This was not his guy and it was a button Morey could push to deflect any criticism coming his way for roster construction.
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2) Any hope they have a re-signing Harden — who has a $35.6 million player option he is widely expected to decline unless the 76ers extend him off it — meant Rivers was out the door. After the 76ers were eliminated, Harden was asked about Rivers and said, “Our relationship is OK.” Not exactly a ringing endorsement. What 33-year-old Harden wants is more years and security (and Houston looms as an option).
Who will replace Rivers? Monty Williams, the highly respected players coach just fired by the Suns is an obvious choice. Players love and respect him, and he helped get the Suns to the NBA Finals in 2021. Wojnarowski reports three other championship coaches will get a look in Mike Budenholzer, Nick Nurse (who Morey hired to coach the Rockets’ G-League team back in the day) and Frank Vogel also will get consideration. Also on the list are Sam Cassell and Mike D’Antoni.
Whoever takes the Philly job gets a championship-level roster, but also the expectations that come with it.
Rivers could get looks from other teams — Philly fans may complain about his playoff record (as did Clippers fans before them), but a lot of teams could use a coach that can get a team to the playoffs as often and as steadily as Rivers (who does have a ring from the 2008 Celtics, don’t forget). Also, don’t be surprised if Rivers returns to the broadcast booth for a year or two before taking another job.
This was expected. 3 straight years your teams doesn't improve in results. It was expected. The NBA is basically becoming the NFL now. Even elite coaches seem to have 3-4 year lifetime with a team.
The only surprise for me was Bud. He won you a title. His system works. This is like firing Giannis after he has a down playoffs. You can't do that, as Giannis is proven. So is Bud. He works with Giannis. If Pop got fired everytime his Spurs had a down series, he'd be out of a job from 2000-2002. And again 2004 (lost a 2-0 series lead to us).
With Nurse, a little different. He won with Kawhi, and a group that is no longer there anymore (Lowry etc). Only main character left is Siakam. Everyone else from that core is gone (Lowry, Green, Ibaka, Gasol, Kawhi etc). So I somewhat understand the change.
Monty again, like Rivers. The team is an elite team with superstars, They can't win in the playoffs. Nothing proven to work, yet. Yep, these situations unfortunately makes sense to go look for a coach that may get you over the top.
But there's probably a lot of backtalk already going on with the coaching agents where they will end up. Bud will land somewhere, Nurse will as well. So will Monty. Teams are basically trading for these guys.
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