The Lakers are hosting a draft workout today with these participants:
Omari Moore - San Jose State
Lester Quinones - Memphis
Trevion Williams - Purdue
Trey McGowens - Nebraska
Will Richardson - Oregon
Brison Gresham - Texas Southern
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The Lakers are hosting a draft workout today with these participants:
Omari Moore - San Jose State
Lester Quinones - Memphis
Trevion Williams - Purdue
Trey McGowens - Nebraska
Will Richardson - Oregon
Brison Gresham - Texas Southern
Good article from The Stepien looking at different “Connector” archetypes, I’ve highlighted some names that are projected second rounders or undrafted they think can thrive as a 3&D type wing the Lakers really need:
Vince Williams Jr - VCU
Gabriel Procida - Fortitudo Bologna
Jaylen Slawson - Furman
Keon Ellis - Alabama
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:41 am Post subject:
LakersMD wrote:
Good article from The Stepien looking at different “Connector” archetypes, I’ve highlighted some names that are projected second rounders or undrafted they think can thrive as a 3&D type wing the Lakers really need:
Vince Williams Jr - VCU
Gabriel Procida - Fortitudo Bologna
Jaylen Slawson - Furman
Keon Ellis - Alabama
Already have Vince Williams Jr., Procida, and Ellis Top 35.
Though, I don't agree with the article. Vince Williams got more initiating duty and I don't like his TO rate through all four years at the college level. Anything around 20% TO rate is bad, role player or not. Laker fans would hate his man-defense.
Procida isn't really a connector. Dude spots up and attacks, and has limited connectivity.
Ellis, actually is a connector, mostly based on knowing how to optimize an offensive possession when he can't get his shot. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Lakers will hold predraft workout Friday with:
Lucas Williamson – Loyola Chicago
Hyunjung Lee – Davidson
Paul Atkinson Jr. – Notre Dame
Scotty Pippen Jr. – Vanderbilt
Jamal Cain – Oakland
Gaige Prim – Missouri State
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:35 pm Post subject:
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Lakers will hold predraft workout Friday with:
Lucas Williamson – Loyola Chicago
Hyunjung Lee – Davidson
Paul Atkinson Jr. – Notre Dame
Scotty Pippen Jr. – Vanderbilt
Jamal Cain – Oakland
Gaige Prim – Missouri State
Pippen coming into town.
I like Hyunjung Lee but his scrimmage didn't look good at all. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Good article from The Stepien looking at different “Connector” archetypes, I’ve highlighted some names that are projected second rounders or undrafted they think can thrive as a 3&D type wing the Lakers really need:
Vince Williams Jr - VCU
Gabriel Procida - Fortitudo Bologna
Jaylen Slawson - Furman
Keon Ellis - Alabama
Already have Vince Williams Jr., Procida, and Ellis Top 35.
Though, I don't agree with the article. Vince Williams got more initiating duty and I don't like his TO rate through all four years at the college level. Anything around 20% TO rate is bad, role player or not. Laker fans would hate his man-defense.
Procida isn't really a connector. Dude spots up and attacks, and has limited connectivity.
Ellis, actually is a connector, mostly based on knowing how to optimize an offensive possession when he can't get his shot.
Thanks for that. Looks like Slawson withdrew from the draft today as well.
What I like about him is he plays his size, aggressive, and seems strong as hell. He has a NBA ready body (probably because he has been in college 4 years and developed it). He is athletic and could use the right and left, nice touch around the rim, and despite what the stats say, he has a nice mid range shot. He is not one that could stretch the floor beyond the 3 point line, he is more of a traditional big. Above average defender and will body up against the opponent and not back down. (Though I do feel he could get better on defense, when rotating to smaller players). Most importantly to me, he seems to be strong mentally. I also feel he will be a good rebounder on the next level.
The things I feel he could improve are his passing. I don't think he is that good of a passer, which could possibly draw a problem if he gets doubled or reading the floor and getting it to the open man. I think his post moves could be better; playmaking within the post. He is more of a back to the basket big, which is some thing that I like because I feel there are way too many face up bigs that struggle playing back to the basket. But I think he could incorporate face up in his game.
What I like about him is he plays his size, aggressive, and seems strong as hell. He has a NBA ready body (probably because he has been in college 4 years and developed it). He is athletic and could use the right and left, nice touch around the rim, and despite what the stats say, he has a nice mid range shot. He is not one that could stretch the floor beyond the 3 point line, he is more of a traditional big. Above average defender and will body up against the opponent and not back down. (Though I do feel he could get better on defense, when rotating to smaller players). Most importantly to me, he seems to be strong mentally. I also feel he will be a good rebounder on the next level.
The things I feel he could improve are his passing. I don't think he is that good of a passer, which could possibly draw a problem if he gets doubled or reading the floor and getting it to the open man. I think his post moves could be better; playmaking within the post. He is more of a back to the basket big, which is some thing that I like because I feel there are way too many face up bigs that struggle playing back to the basket. But I think he could incorporate face up in his game.
nice! sounds like he can fill in for AD when he's out. we need fundamental post players who can create down low, draw doubles to an open guy. sounds like a work in progress and thats fine. and if he's strong and plays defense, that's even better
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:11 pm Post subject:
cycl0nus wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
cycl0nus wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
I really like David McCormack.
who is he? what does he do? details
Play big.
that sound like a winner
Not when he shoots 60% at the rim and has a 7.7% Assist rate, which is basically half his TO rate. That two rhythm dribble in the post is way predictable.
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McCormack measured 6-10 3/4 with shoes, 6-9 1/4 barefoot. He weighed in at 260.6 pounds with a 7-2 wingspan and 9-0 standing reach. He had 12.8% body fat, second highest of the 44 combine players. Kenny Lofton of Louisiana Tech’s body fat was 15.15%.
i like both but if I have to chose between Trevion or McCormack, for this Lakers squad I have to choose McCormack. We need a bruiser in this team, plays big and can shoot from both hand and have legit post moves that demand double team. Trevion on the other have is such a great passer, but needs the ball in his hands which we know will be in LBJ. Plus Trevion needs to improve his shooting specially on FT and seems to reach a lot on D.
Not when he shoots 60% at the rim and has a 7.7% Assist rate, which is basically half his TO rate. That two rhythm dribble in the post is way predictable.
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McCormack measured 6-10 3/4 with shoes, 6-9 1/4 barefoot. He weighed in at 260.6 pounds with a 7-2 wingspan and 9-0 standing reach. He had 12.8% body fat, second highest of the 44 combine players. Kenny Lofton of Louisiana Tech’s body fat was 15.15%.
I like Trevion Williams as well, from an offensive standpoint. I think his passing stands out the most for his size, he could spread floor if he works on his shot, and has a bit of post moves, but he isn't that good going left. He isn't good on defense, not that good of a rebounder, and he doesn't play that aggressive neither. So, that tells me he needs the ball to be effective and I don't know how that would translate on our team. He'll have minimal effect on the offensive end (until he works on his shot) and really no effect on the defensive end.
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:26 am Post subject:
Outspoken wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
cycl0nus wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
cycl0nus wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
I really like David McCormack.
who is he? what does he do? details
Play big.
that sound like a winner
Not when he shoots 60% at the rim and has a 7.7% Assist rate, which is basically half his TO rate. That two rhythm dribble in the post is way predictable.
Quote:
McCormack measured 6-10 3/4 with shoes, 6-9 1/4 barefoot. He weighed in at 260.6 pounds with a 7-2 wingspan and 9-0 standing reach. He had 12.8% body fat, second highest of the 44 combine players. Kenny Lofton of Louisiana Tech’s body fat was 15.15%.
I like Trevion Williams as well, from an offensive standpoint. I think his passing stands out the most for his size, he could spread floor if he works on it, and has a bit of post moves, but he isn't that good going left. He isn't good on defense, he isn't that good of a rebounder, and he doesn't play that aggressive neither. So, that tells me he needs the ball to be effective and I don't know how that would translate on our team. He'll have minimal effect on the offensive end (until he works on his shot) and no effect on the defensive end.
I think you can find a lot of relative 6'9"+ centers in the FA market. At a certain point, it's worth looking for a guy that has a unique or special skill.
Also, he's a better rebounder.. Same standing reach.
I also disagree about *needing* the ball to be effective. He keeps facilitating to everyone else. More importantly than that, he actually reads defenses on and off the ball, and isn't just concerned about getting deep post position, but post position, finding where his teammates are, and where the gap in the defense actually is.
I also think that drafting for specific needs, when LAL is just trying to find guys to just make the league, is a misguided thought process. There are players projected in the lottery that can't play defense.
Trevion isn't Jokic, but if I read your scouting report about Trevion and correlated to Jokic, I'd let Jokic slip into the 40s in the draft too. Unathletic, can't play defense, isn't aggressive enough in the paint, but can find open teammates.
Yup, that's also Jokic. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Not when he shoots 60% at the rim and has a 7.7% Assist rate, which is basically half his TO rate. That two rhythm dribble in the post is way predictable.
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McCormack measured 6-10 3/4 with shoes, 6-9 1/4 barefoot. He weighed in at 260.6 pounds with a 7-2 wingspan and 9-0 standing reach. He had 12.8% body fat, second highest of the 44 combine players. Kenny Lofton of Louisiana Tech’s body fat was 15.15%.
I like Trevion Williams as well, from an offensive standpoint. I think his passing stands out the most for his size, he could spread floor if he works on it, and has a bit of post moves, but he isn't that good going left. He isn't good on defense, he isn't that good of a rebounder, and he doesn't play that aggressive neither. So, that tells me he needs the ball to be effective and I don't know how that would translate on our team. He'll have minimal effect on the offensive end (until he works on his shot) and no effect on the defensive end.
I think you can find a lot of relative 6'9"+ centers in the FA market. At a certain point, it's worth looking for a guy that has a unique or special skill.
Also, he's a better rebounder.. Same standing reach.
I also disagree about *needing* the ball to be effective. He keeps facilitating to everyone else. More importantly than that, he actually reads defenses on and off the ball, and isn't just concerned about getting deep post position, but post position, finding where his teammates are, and where the gap in the defense actually is.
I also think that drafting for specific needs, when LAL is just trying to find guys to just make the league, is a misguided thought process. There are players projected in the lottery that can't play defense.
I will say that when I write this, I'm not really going against what you said. It is just more so me saying what is on my mind after reading what you wrote. I mean I feel they both have things that cancel out each other; like Trevion is better offensively and David is better defensively. What pushes David over the edge for me is his defense, able to use his right and left, and aggressiveness.
Trevion is a better rebounder by stats, but when I watch Trevion play, he doesn't really aggressively attack the boards. He is quick and I seen him quickly get into position. Though, he is not aggressive down there. That could be worked on. One could say that David doesn't aggressively attack the boards based on his stats, though I've seen him get into position, use his body, and move players out the way, for boards. I feel that'll translate better on the elite level, with elite training or get him into foul trouble lol
I definitely agree with you that Trevion could read the defense. He is a really good passer for his size, better than David, but that is really about it without the ball, unless he works on his shot (which to me he could). He doesn't have a left and that is more so concerning for me. If he did have a left, that would put him over the edge.
I wasn't really looking at need. I go for the best player available, within the position we will be in. Lucas Williamson is another player that stands out for me. A 6'5 guard that is an incredible defender, decent dribbler, attacker, that is able to hit the 3, but his defense stands out the most. Christian Braun as well, though his wingspan concerns me on the elite level and I think he is gonna be selected in the 2nd.
I seen that you edited your post.
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Trevion isn't Jokic, but if I read your scouting report about Trevion and correlated to Jokic, I'd let Jokic slip into the 40s in the draft too. Unathletic, can't play defense, isn't aggressive enough in the paint, but can find open teammates.
Yup, that's also Jokic.
True about Jokic. I didn't watch too much of his college tape, but watching him in the NBA, he could use both hands and Trevion doesn't. But you definitely have a point with Jokic. Trevion could make good reads, and if he works on his shot, he could be some thing. He needs to really work on his left, that is the one thing that really gets to me about him. Gets to me about Talen only having a left and absolutely no right.
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