Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:57 am Post subject: Worst Trades in Laker History
LG: What are the worst trades in Laker history? (Maybe we can create a poll with the best submissions?)
Of course, Kuzma/KCP/Trez/1st round pick for Russell Westbrook has been a disaster (and the inspiration for this thread). It's obvious Russ fits horribly alongside LeBron and AD, but that isn't the only reason this trade is terrible. In this trade, the Lakers also lost two championship quality two-way rotation players. In addition, it will certainly cost the Lakers another 1st round pick to dump Westbrook, if not two 1st round picks (meaning Russ will have cost the Lakers a total of 3 1st round picks for the return of one of the most miserable seasons in Lakers history). And then there's this to consider: could the Lakers already have Irving if they kept Kuzma/KCP/1st because the Nets would obviously be much more willing to add two excellent rotation players than Russ' toxicity? We can keep peeling the layers on this horrific trade, but you all get the picture.
What else stacks up?
A few trades to consider:
- Shaq for Caron Butler, Odom, Brian Grant, and a 1st round pick (Jordan Farmar)
- Caron Butler for Kwame
- Dantley for Haywood
- Eddie Jones for Glen Rice, J.R. Reid, and B.J. Armstrong
The Shaq trade may be the most controversial here because Odom becomes the 3rd/4th best player on the 2009/2010 title teams, Farmar becomes a decent bench player for those teams, and of course, Caron gets traded for Kwame who gets traded for Pau. However, this trade ostensibly burned four years of Kobe's prime from age 25 to 29 (nearly unprecedented for a player of his caliber). Could the Lakers have held out and traded Shaq to Dallas for Dirk? (Cuban swears he would have never traded Dirk, but the Mavs were in flux in 2004 after multiple playoff failures and many people questioned Dirk's ability to be a #1 in those days.)
Three trades in a row listed ^^^ where we gave up 1st round picks for an aging vet (Nash) or players who generally do not have 1st round pick value (Hill and Dennis).
Wonder if the many years of throwing away 1st round picks is influencing the current FO's thinking on whether they're willing to give up 2 more 1st round picks to dump Russ and add Kyrie.
Didn’t we have a tread on this?
Anyway: Adrian Dantley for Spencer Haywood.
That wasn't that bad, as it allowed 190# Jamaal Wilkes to move from PF to SF, and Haywood was a Hall of Famer. The issue was, that Lakers team was full of cokeheads and adding another one in Haywood wasn't helpful to chemistry.
Dantley is a personal favorite of mine, but as a 6'3" forward, his teams were limited defensively. Utah and Detroit had to trade him in order to make deep playoff runs.
Worst Laker trade in my book?
1 - Dick Barnett for Bob Boozer. Lakers traded away Barnett, who became an All Star/2X NBA Champ, for Boozer - then left Boozer unprotected in the expansion draft and Boozer goes on to become an All Star/NBA Champ. In fact, both of those guys won rings before Jerry West did.
2 - WB trade. Enough said.
3 - Orlando Woolridge for two 2nd round picks (which did not convey to us). Woolridge scored 25.1 ppg for Denver and we literally got nothing in return. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:55 am Post subject:
The Odom for a late first rounder and TPE (later used on Nash) is one that I’ve always found very strange. A guy who had just won Sixth Man of the Year and been the third best player on three straight finals teams traded for that? Granted, he wasn’t the same player the next season and was out of the league soon after, but nobody could have predicted that at the time.
One trade that seemed horrible at the time but aged surprisingly well was D’Angelo and Mozgov for Brook Lopez and a late first rounder. If we had kept Lopez, then we would have won that trade. Dump Mozgov’s contract, get a former all star stretch 5, plus a nearly equivalent player to D’Angelo in either Kuzma or Hart. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Danny Green and the 1st round pick which turned out to be Desmond Bane was a all time dumpster fire trade
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Yeah, that was an awful trade. Plus we gave him 3 years for $27M. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold.
The Odom for a late first rounder and TPE (later used on Nash) is one that I’ve always found very strange. A guy who had just won Sixth Man of the Year and been the third best player on three straight finals teams traded for that? Granted, he wasn’t the same player the next season and was out of the league soon after, but nobody could have predicted that at the time.
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IIRC, Odom was butt hurt that he was in the voided CP3 trade and he asked to be traded. LO TRADE
Quote:
In the aftermath of the canceled deal, Odom skipped the Lakers' first day of training camp Friday. He did, however, go to the practice facility to have a face-to-face meeting with general manager Mitch Kupchak, during which he expressed his desire to be traded, according to the source. Kupchak asked Odom to reconsider his position and told the 12-year veteran to think over his decision.
"You don't want to go to no place you're not wanted," Odom told the Los Angeles Times on Thursday.
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Haywood was a cocaine addict and Nash got a fluke injury.
Both trades were reasonable if they were healthy... although certainly Nash was an overpay at his age. (Think of CP3 contributing at his age)
But the crazy thing about Russ is that he's been totally healthy.
I've never liked his play, even when he was at "MVP level" just like I never liked Iverson's game. I don't care for super athletic, fast but inefficient chuckers.
People marvel at the athletic feats but ultimately they usually don't get you titles.
I gave Russ a chance... thought he might work as the third option. Still might surprise us if AD stays healthy... but the fact that neither AD or Russ can shoot right now is killing us. If they both start shooting decently this season, anything can happen... but if that happened I still wouldn't sign Russ... I'd just enjoy the season for what it brings and move on.
Haywood was a cocaine addict and Nash got a fluke injury.
Both trades were reasonable if they were healthy... although certainly Nash was an overpay at his age. (Think of CP3 contributing at his age)
But the crazy thing about Russ is that he's been totally healthy.
I've never liked his play, even when he was at "MVP level" just like I never liked Iverson's game. I don't care for super athletic, fast but inefficient chuckers.
People marvel at the athletic feats but ultimately they usually don't get you titles.
I gave Russ a chance... thought he might work as the third option. Still might surprise us if AD stays healthy... but the fact that neither AD or Russ can shoot right now is killing us. If they both start shooting decently this season, anything can happen... but if that happened I still wouldn't sign Russ... I'd just enjoy the season for what it brings and move on.
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Three trades in a row listed ^^^ where we gave up 1st round picks for an aging vet (Nash) or players who generally do not have 1st round pick value (Hill and Dennis).
Wonder if the many years of throwing away 1st round picks is influencing the current FO's thinking on whether they're willing to give up 2 more 1st round picks to dump Russ and add Kyrie.
It’s not hard to see (even for the basketball blind Lakers FO) that the best teams in the NBA right now are homegrown and young.
Three trades in a row listed ^^^ where we gave up 1st round picks for an aging vet (Nash) or players who generally do not have 1st round pick value (Hill and Dennis).
Wonder if the many years of throwing away 1st round picks is influencing the current FO's thinking on whether they're willing to give up 2 more 1st round picks to dump Russ and add Kyrie.
It’s not hard to see (even for the basketball blind Lakers FO) that the best teams in the NBA right now are homegrown and young.
64-18 Phoenix Suns were led by 16 year vet Chris Paul.
World Champion Dubs led by admittedly homegrown but old Steph (34), Klay (32), Dray (32)
Best Record In The East Heat - Butler (33), Lowry (36) - neither are homegrown.
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