Buffalo shooting: 10 dead; shooter was a fascist, White supremacist and anti-Semite.

Omar Little · Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 10:00 am Post subject:

We could play a little game: anyone who thinks it’s a both sides issue that’s being one sided by the media can post a list of the minority mass shooters, and I will see if I can post ten white right wing mass shooters. Fwiw, you’re already down 18-1 this year…
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Corey78 · Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 11:09 am Post subject:

The Buffalo shooting is a tragedy--plain and simple. Unsurprisingly, these incidents widen the political divide. I (unfortunately) watched the video--barbaric--and read the manifesto. This monster wasn't a conservative; I doubt he ever watched Fox News. While Tucker has espoused some type of replacement theory, I have no reason to believe this monster ever watched Tucker. I don't see how it helps to label this monster as a conservative or right wing or blame Fox News or Tucker Carlson. The inevitable will happen: the people at Fox News or the conservatives will simply read this monster's manifesto and say, "not so." They then will say this is just a media scheme by the left, etc. These groups are great at dodging the issue and labeling themselves as victims. By claiming they caused this monster to do what he did just adds to that fodder and strengthens their base.

At the end of the day, the focus should be on something clear and obvious: how did this monster end up with an AR-15? How? As a first generation immigrant growing up in America, I will never understand the fascination with guns. Most modern countries have outlawed them. But, alas, gun are here to stay in America because of some amendment written over 230 years ago by old men with muskets who barely understood electricity. Still, if we can't convince the masses to get rid of guns because of this archaic amendment, we should at least focus on these individual cases to elicit some reform. Repeatedly, these shootings are committed by individuals who clearly never should have had a gun or had access to a gun; whether its mental health or just insane and racist political views.

Is it so much to ask that people like this 18 year old monster, who was clearly deranged and had purportedly espoused a desire to commit a mass shooting and had been held for a mental health evaluation just a year earlier not be allowed access to semi-automatic guns, let alone any gun?

Also, for those spouting "more guns" is the answer, nonsense. This monster killed 4-5 people within seconds after he stepped out of the car. How would more guns prevent that? A security guard shot him with no effect since the monster wore armor. So, actually having a gun present proved ineffective.

ChefLinda · Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 11:25 am Post subject:

The same people who push white supremacist ideology also block all forms of gun control. The right-wing echo chamber includes both online white supremacist indoctrination which is then amplified by various hosts on Fox News and GOP politicians who use white-fear tactics to motivate their base. They all exist in the same echo system. You can't separate one from the other. They work in synergy with one another. You might want to read the last page of the politics thread with current quotes from GOP politicians pushing this exact same white-replacement propaganda.

Corey78 · Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 1:33 pm Post subject:

jodeke · Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 1:45 pm Post subject:

Corey78 · Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 1:47 pm Post subject:

I hope my post does not come off as low or too pessimistic. I am just increasingly annoyed and frustrated by, what I perceive to be, obviously backwards positions that no reasonable person should take (or if said person does take, should at least think about) but that vast swaths of the American people take, and which many or most don't seem to think about at all opting to adopt the viewpoint of weasels. There is no reason we should still be talking about reasonable gun control laws in 2022. And with the anticipated Roe v. Wade reversal, the list goes on. It's madness.

Corey78 · Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 1:58 pm Post subject:

jodeke · Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 3:39 pm Post subject:

venturalakersfan · Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 4:10 pm Post subject:

Another tragedy with politicians calling for common sense gun laws. The same politicians who don’t try to pass common sense gun laws, they are afraid of losing support from the gun lobby. New York has strict gun laws but they can’t stop this mentally ill person from owning a gun he never should have been allowed to own. Chicago doesn’t allow gun ownership but there are 10’s of people shot there every weekend. If I suspected one of my children of having mental illness there is nothing I could do to prevent them from owning a gun, political pressure has prevented that and put the rights of the mentally ill above the rights of everyone else. It’s a problem that needs a solution but I wouldn’t expect one to come out of DC.
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Omar Little · Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 7:04 pm Post subject:

Everything in that guys manifesto is on Fox nightly. Maybe not quite as stark, but he’s parroting their prime time hosts. And the leading GOP voices in congress. I get that some people who lean conservative don’t like to feel that this represents them, but this has been American conservatism for long before I’ve been alive. This is Goldwater and Nixon and Reagan and Gingrich and the Tea Party and the Oath Keepers and the evangelical movement and the police and every red state. This is what they are. American conservatism is about white nationalism.
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jodeke · Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 7:37 pm Post subject:

Where is KBCB when you need him?
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slavavov · Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 8:49 pm Post subject:

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ContagiousInspiration · Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 7:32 am Post subject:

Can anyone ELI5
Why does/do we allow the media to call "Racist Terrorist Attack(s)" Mass Shootings?

Is it so the other racists don't copycat or so we don't give recognition to these groups?

end this "Mass Shooting" BS and print the truth.

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Does anyone know if the Buffalo shooter identified with a church?
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911 dispatcher on administrative leave

https://www.wgrz.com/video/news/911-despatcher-on-administrative-leave/71-06d6f156-6551-40f6-8f9f-e6e480359f61

Assistant Manager called in the shooting to 911 and the dispatcher hung up on her.
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