Ask Houston and then ask the OKC the past 3 seasons.
Chris Paul over Westbrook. He actually impacts the teams in a positive way and in a greater way than Westbrook does. Look at what CP3 did with Harden, and then look what Westbrook did the next season. Look what Westbrook did with PG, and then look what Chris Paul did with an OKC team without PG at all.
CP3 is the one that makes the most sense in comparison to Rondo, and what playoff Rondo was about. He would be great. He would be playing a lot less minutes and would mainly be there to set up the offense and organise things, and then Bron could take over later in games.
The odds are low we can pull it off. I mean CP3 would need to be convinced Suns wouldn’t win a chip. That’s hard to say because they’re young and just went to 6 games in the NBA Finals . Saying they "reached" game 6 really isn't much to hang their hat on when they were up 2-0 before getting the receiving end of a backdoor sweep.
Let’s say he does prefer the Lakers route and odds he then has to convince Sarvar that he is walking for nothing. We don’t wanna give up too much though, sort of like we did with Steve Nash in 2012.
I think Lonzo Ball is a great Rondo replacement as well. Just not sure if he would be let go. The klutch thing helps us, but again, we would need to give the Pels a lot of picks and players. I would just speculate - Kuz, 22 pick this year, future picks etc. and we are hard capped. If Ball is BYC that makes it even tougher.
He's kidding himself if he thinks they have as good, or greater chance of getting back to the finals next season. The West will be better, healthier, and stronger next season. I'm not saying it's impossible for PHX to make it back, but they were very fortunate to face all 3 opponents in the West that didn't have star(s) playing, or playing at 100%. There's no certainty that happens next season.
CP3 can work with either Booker/Ayton or Bron/AD, but his chances to win a championship next season are greater with Bron/AD. Let's be real. CP3 can easily make that happen simply by opting out and signing with the Lakers. There are two problems with that though, 1) he'd be turning down an insane amount of money, and 2) as the President of the Player's Association, bailing on a team he helped reach the finals, then opting out this mega contract to go form a super team for a fraction of the cost would cause terrible optics.
NBA legacies are built on championships. Malone, Stockton, Barkley, Ewing, et al. aren't held in the same regard as other great players that actually won a championship. All the personal accolades are good, but actually winning the championship puts them into another echelon of legends. I would think CP3 wants to be talked about among the legends when his playing days are over. He has to think that his chances are better with Bron/AD, but doing so will come with a financial sacrifice, and lots of ire and criticism. I can't see the Lakers being able to trade for CP3 and his $40M+ salary and still fill out a championship caliber supporting cast. CP3 would need opt out and sign with the Lakers outright, or opt out and do a S&T for a lesser AAV.
CP3 is the one that makes the most sense in comparison to Rondo, and what playoff Rondo was about. He would be great. He would be playing a lot less minutes and would mainly be there to set up the offense and organise things, and then Bron could take over later in games.
The odds are low we can pull it off. I mean CP3 would need to be convinced Suns wouldn’t win a chip. That’s hard to say because they’re young and just went to 6 games in the NBA Finals . Saying they "reached" game 6 really isn't much to hang their hat on when they were up 2-0 before getting the receiving end of a backdoor sweep.
Let’s say he does prefer the Lakers route and odds he then has to convince Sarvar that he is walking for nothing. We don’t wanna give up too much though, sort of like we did with Steve Nash in 2012.
I think Lonzo Ball is a great Rondo replacement as well. Just not sure if he would be let go. The klutch thing helps us, but again, we would need to give the Pels a lot of picks and players. I would just speculate - Kuz, 22 pick this year, future picks etc. and we are hard capped. If Ball is BYC that makes it even tougher.
He's kidding himself if he thinks they have as good, or greater chance of getting back to the finals next season. The West will be better, healthier, and stronger next season. I'm not saying it's impossible for PHX to make it back, but they were very fortunate to face all 3 opponents in the West that didn't have star(s) playing, or playing at 100%. There's no certainty that happens next season.
CP3 can work with either Booker/Ayton or Bron/AD, but his chances to win a championship next season are greater with Bron/AD. Let's be real. CP3 can easily make that happen simply by opting out and signing with the Lakers. There are two problems with that though, 1) he'd be turning down an insane amount of money, and 2) as the President of the Player's Association, bailing on a team he helped reach the finals, then opting out this mega contract to go form a super team for a fraction of the cost would cause terrible optics.
NBA legacies are built on championships. Malone, Stockton, Barkley, Ewing, et al. aren't held in the same regard as other great players that actually won a championship. All the personal accolades are good, but actually winning the championship puts them into another echelon of legends. I would think CP3 wants to be talked about among the legends when his playing days are over. He has to think that his chances are better with Bron/AD, but doing so will come with a financial sacrifice, and lots of ire and criticism. I can't see the Lakers being able to trade for CP3 and his $40M+ salary and still fill out a championship caliber supporting cast. CP3 would need opt out and sign with the Lakers outright, or opt out and do a S&T for a lesser AAV.
Almost nobody will talk about CP3s ring chasing in a couple of years anymore. So this is not an issue in CP3s mind. Money might be one but maybe he feels he has enough and it doesn't make him as happy as chasing/having a ring.
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Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:06 pm Post subject:
RashardA wrote:
jodeke wrote:
RashardA wrote:
Kyle Lowry.
Not in the mix
Why not?
Only 2 PG were discussed on ESPN this morning. Lowry wasn't one. I made another poll about PG. He's on the list. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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Not sure how CP3 is leading this poll. Did we not learn from Steve Nash? We have one PG that is perpetually injured and close to retirement. We have another PG that is close to his athletic prime and went on a tear to end last season while leading the league in assists.
Cp3 is old, I know he had a good year but I think his production is ready to drop like a rock like often happens to 36-37 year olds, don’t like Westbrook’s game so neither of those two guys….
My choice if the lakers could get him would be Damian Lilliard
Not sure how CP3 is leading this poll. Did we not learn from Steve Nash? We have one PG that is perpetually injured and close to retirement. We have another PG that is close to his athletic prime and went on a tear to end last season while leading the league in assists.
They are both in that danger group age wise. Westbrook will be 33 last season and he is far more reliant on his athleticism than Chris Paul is. But in terms of fit Westbrook is a poor fit, where Paul is ideal.
Westbrook would be great when Lebron is on the bench but that is only going to be for about 15 minutes per game. I'd rather have the ball in Lebron's hand rather than Westbrooks, but that then creates spacing problems if they are both in the game.
I'd rather pass on both and get someone younger and cheaper. But if the choice is one of these two and giving up assets for them I'd much rather have Paul.
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Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:30 pm Post subject:
CP3 would be a monumental mistake at his age and salary imo when mixed with two already max salary question marks health wise in Bron and AD.
As hard of a pass as humanly possible on both CP3 and Westbrook. No way we make it into the Playoffs healthy on top of having a very likely brutally awful bench. We're in a scary position right now where a wrong move or two could easily take us out of contention real fast but we're also a move or two away from being a top contender. I'd much rather hold out hope for another move then touch either of these awful choices.
Only way I take CP3 is if he opts out and takes the mmle, i.e. low risk scenario. He’s a great player but his age and health have to be a concern at this point.
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:40 am Post subject:
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For the purpose of this poll...Russ. Maybe I'm suffering from Steve Nash PTSD, but I've got a feeling CP3 is about to fall off a cliff.
That being said, neither of those two are perfect solutions.
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