What does Drummond bring to the Lakers
* Bringe energy - problem since he has been drafted
* Rebounds - Inconsistent and rarely against top centers/teams
* Offensive - nope
* Block shots - inconsistent
* P&R - nope
Drummond has the 7th best per-game rebounding average in NBA history.
Pretending he does nothing well doesn't make your opinion stronger; it just undercuts the legitimate criticisms.
As highighted earlier in this thread, a bottom feeder team didn't want him on their team.
If Drummond feels that his present game provide enough evidence that he deserves to be a starting center that closes games for an elite title-contending team with a MAX contract he will be rudely awaken or shocked.
Drummond needs to expand his game if he wants to be even considered for a starting position (with a MAX contract and closing games).
"According to Rod Beard of the Detroit News, the 26-year-old Drummond feels he is already the best rebounder in NBA history: "I think I'm definitely the best ever when it comes to rebounding. I don't think there's anybody who's even remotely close to the things I've done when it comes to [rebounding].""
~ Laughable when compared to people such as Dennis Rodman!
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2861848-pistons-andre-drummond-says-hes-the-best-ever-when-it-comes-to-rebounding
In NBA history, Drummond is nowhere to be found
http://www.espn.com/nba/history/leaders/_/stat/rebounds
Rebounds Leaders
RK PLAYER REB
1 Wilt Chamberlain 23,924
2 Bill Russell 21,620
3 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 17,440
4 Elvin Hayes 16,279
5 Moses Malone 16,212
6 Tim Duncan 15,091
7 Karl Malone 14,968
8 Robert Parish 14,715
9 Kevin Garnett 14,662
10 Nate Thurmond 14,464
11 DWIGHT HOWARD 14,271
12 Walt Bellamy 14,241
13 Wes Unseld 13,769
14 Hakeem Olajuwon 13,748
15 Shaquille O'Neal 13,099
16 Buck Williams 13,017
17 Jerry Lucas 12,942
18 Bob Pettit 12,849
19 Charles Barkley 12,546
20 Dikembe Mutombo 12,359
21 Paul Silas 12,357
22 Charles Oakley 12,205
23 Dennis Rodman 11,954
24 Kevin Willis 11,901
25 Patrick Ewing 11,607
*Active players are in CAPS.
I'll be nice but Drummond has loss 90% of his athleticism. If you think I am lying...
It actually seems now, he has gotten comfortable and don't workout as hard as he should on his body. He looks out of shape now. Sluggish because of his weight. He is not as active or mobile.... He needs to get on that Dwight Howard, body work out plan.
I'll be nice but Drummond has loss 90% of his athleticism. If you think I am lying...
It actually seems now, he has gotten comfortable and don't workout as hard as he should on his body. He looks out of shape now. Sluggish because of his weight. He is not as active or mobile.... He needs to get on that Dwight Howard, body work out plan.
He's 10 pounds off his college weight and had been gradually losing weight each off-season.
MJST wrote:
Drummond has been losing weight in the off-seasons leading up to this point.
Back in 2017 he changed up his diet and workout routine and dropped 30 pounds from his heaviest.
So back in 2017 he was 15 pounds off his college weight and felt great.
He followed that up with his two best seasons up until that point.
Near the end of his tenure in Detroit, and when he was traded to Cleveland, his weight also went back up.
But when the Cavs pretty much didn't allow him to play because they were searching for trades or wondering about a buyout. He soent the time off conditioning himself, and trying to lose the weight again. He dropped 10-15 pounds during that time period before he came to the Lakers.
From Drummond himself,
"I used this time to get myself in the best condition possible. I've lost about 10-15 lbs during this time. Right now, I'm probably in the best shape I can be. I'm ready to play today."
https://twitter.com/ESPNLosAngeles/status/1376628396973727745
Taking him back down to around 280 or less. Which puts him around 10 pounds off his college weight(270) and lighter than he was in 2017.
it has been a gradual process he started in Detroit, and rededicated himself to, during his time off from the Cavs. And now he has an entire off-season to continue striving towards that on a winning team instead of a team like Detroit or Cleveland.
Drummond is worthy of being a starter not a max deal. The max deal was a bad idea for the NBA. Why? Because now there isn't anything negotiated becomes "give me max". Only a handful of players are worthy of the max. If Drummond was a max player, Lakers would have overcome AD's absence. Don't get me wrong I liked the original signing and would love him back, but no way he is a max player. Max deals hamper more franchises in the league. Then there is super max, which is completely crippling to a franchise. If a player can will a bad team to the playoffs, they are super max worthy. Lebron, Kobe, etc are those guys. Top 10 players in the league only.
Drummond is worthy of being a starter not a max deal. The max deal was a bad idea for the NBA. Why? Because now there isn't anything negotiated becomes "give me max". Only a handful of players are worthy of the max. If Drummond was a max player, Lakers would have overcome AD's absence. Don't get me wrong I liked the original signing and would love him back, but no way he is a max player. Max deals hamper more franchises in the league. Then there is super max, which is completely crippling to a franchise. If a player can will a bad team to the playoffs, they are super max worthy. Lebron, Kobe, etc are those guys. Top 10 players in the league only.
I mean it comes down to that.
He's not a max player. But he is a starter in today's NBA.
The question is at what price.
Btw, the max contract is a good idea imo. Because if there wasn't, the superstars would be getting $100 million contracts. And most others getting vet mins. I guess it saves the owners and some of the non super stars. _________________ 💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!!
I'll be nice but Drummond has loss 90% of his athleticism. If you think I am lying...
It actually seems now, he has gotten comfortable and don't workout as hard as he should on his body. He looks out of shape now. Sluggish because of his weight. He is not as active or mobile.... He needs to get on that Dwight Howard, body work out plan.
He's 10 pounds off his college weight and had been gradually losing weight each off-season.
MJST wrote:
Drummond has been losing weight in the off-seasons leading up to this point.
Back in 2017 he changed up his diet and workout routine and dropped 30 pounds from his heaviest.
So back in 2017 he was 15 pounds off his college weight and felt great.
He followed that up with his two best seasons up until that point.
Near the end of his tenure in Detroit, and when he was traded to Cleveland, his weight also went back up.
But when the Cavs pretty much didn't allow him to play because they were searching for trades or wondering about a buyout. He soent the time off conditioning himself, and trying to lose the weight again. He dropped 10-15 pounds during that time period before he came to the Lakers.
From Drummond himself,
"I used this time to get myself in the best condition possible. I've lost about 10-15 lbs during this time. Right now, I'm probably in the best shape I can be. I'm ready to play today."
https://twitter.com/ESPNLosAngeles/status/1376628396973727745
Taking him back down to around 280 or less. Which puts him around 10 pounds off his college weight(270) and lighter than he was in 2017.
it has been a gradual process he started in Detroit, and rededicated himself to, during his time off from the Cavs. And now he has an entire off-season to continue striving towards that on a winning team instead of a team like Detroit or Cleveland.
I can see that it's not only 10 pounds; like you could see his videos, look at pictures, and actually compare from then and now.
I'll be nice but Drummond has loss 90% of his athleticism. If you think I am lying...
It actually seems now, he has gotten comfortable and don't workout as hard as he should on his body. He looks out of shape now. Sluggish because of his weight. He is not as active or mobile.... He needs to get on that Dwight Howard, body work out plan.
He's 10 pounds off his college weight and had been gradually losing weight each off-season.
MJST wrote:
Drummond has been losing weight in the off-seasons leading up to this point.
Back in 2017 he changed up his diet and workout routine and dropped 30 pounds from his heaviest.
So back in 2017 he was 15 pounds off his college weight and felt great.
He followed that up with his two best seasons up until that point.
Near the end of his tenure in Detroit, and when he was traded to Cleveland, his weight also went back up.
But when the Cavs pretty much didn't allow him to play because they were searching for trades or wondering about a buyout. He soent the time off conditioning himself, and trying to lose the weight again. He dropped 10-15 pounds during that time period before he came to the Lakers.
From Drummond himself,
"I used this time to get myself in the best condition possible. I've lost about 10-15 lbs during this time. Right now, I'm probably in the best shape I can be. I'm ready to play today."
https://twitter.com/ESPNLosAngeles/status/1376628396973727745
Taking him back down to around 280 or less. Which puts him around 10 pounds off his college weight(270) and lighter than he was in 2017.
it has been a gradual process he started in Detroit, and rededicated himself to, during his time off from the Cavs. And now he has an entire off-season to continue striving towards that on a winning team instead of a team like Detroit or Cleveland.
I can see that it's not only 10 pounds; like you could see his videos, look at pictures, and actually compare from then and now.
Drummond has the height and athleticism to be a NBA player, like just about everyone else in ther NBA
Drummond has the right to get the most $$$$$ he can, anytime that he is a FA.
In a championship team, it consist of every player playing an important role and with management finding ways to fit under the salary constraints
With Drummond's current abilities on offense/defense/rebounding/assists/screens/assists, even at its most efficient, would not be in the Lakers' closing lineup - even if Gobert, Embiid and other similar "old-school" type centers are playing. Will Drummond accept that - ahem, probably no. Hence he wouldn't accept a contract where he would be the starting center but not part of the closing lineup.
As Rondo, JaVale, Dwight and Green found out - they got higher salaries after winning a ring. Noting that they were all on legitimate title-contending teams but (obviously) not in The Finals.
Since Drummond has already made $100+M in his career, could one ask what are his present goals. If it is not winning a ring, his and the Lakers' paths are clear
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