Thank you MARC GASOL - traded with 2024 second pick to Memphis
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2021 2:41 pm    Post subject:

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I thought he struggled in rim protection but that was my only beef.

He has been much better in that area for a while now.


That's correct in one way, but not entirely correct. By that I mean Vogel's defensive scheme was different with Gasol - the design was to NOT meet the attack at the rim (since Gasol is NOT McGee/Howard - he doesn't shot-block and does not erase defensive mistakes). What Gasol can do instead is to play superior positional/team defense so the attacker does not get to the basket as often as they would against average inferior defense.
Now, you may think this is all hooey, but then just take a look at the percentage of time the offense was successful in getting a basket - which is really what matters. (This is what defensive metrics are based on that ranked the Lakers #1). And those say that the Lakers starting lineup (with Gasol) was high up there in defense - it allowed fewer points overall than most (if not all) other lineups. And I'm talking about the first 30 games, not just the recent ones. And I agree with you, Gasol has been even better in the recent games - call it health, familiarity, motivation, or whatever.


I realize what the numbers said, but just watching the games there is a noticeable difference in Marc’s defensive game since that stretch right before he got COVID.

Analytics is fine, but just combining it with the game tape...Marc is a lot better imo. It’s not easy to score on him like it was. Before he would have to rely on quick hands at the last minute to strip the player going up but now he’s able to challenge more than just a prayer that he strips the ball.

And of course from an offensive perspective, he got off to a bad start from 3, but ever since around that @Minnesota game, he’s been knocking them down pretty good.


Sure, I'm on board with this - he's better now.
Let me put it this way, at the start of the season he was a net-plus, but by no means playing well, just adequately. Now he's playing well.
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2021 3:14 pm    Post subject:

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Sure, I'm on board with this - he's better now.
Let me put it this way, at the start of the season he was a net-plus, but by no means playing well, just adequately. Now he's playing well.


That’s fair 👍
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2021 9:37 am    Post subject:

Gasol needs to start plain and simple. I think his play making can help the team get out to better starts.

Drummond needs to play pick n' roll with Lebron or Dennis when AD is getting a breather.

Closing lineup I actually prefer AD slide to the 5 with Trez at the 4.
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2021 10:28 am    Post subject:

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Gasol needs to start plain and simple. I think his play making can help the team get out to better starts.

Drummond needs to play pick n' roll with Lebron or Dennis when AD is getting a breather.

Closing lineup I actually prefer AD slide to the 5 with Trez at the 4.


Closing big gotta be able to stretch so AD has room to drive, Kuz/Kief-Bron-AD or KCP-Bron-AD with DS-AC
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 7:55 pm    Post subject:

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Will we learn the lesson this time?


We did not.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 8:11 pm    Post subject:

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Will we learn the lesson this time?


We did not.

Not yet, anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 9:39 pm    Post subject:

we need Gasol at least 10-15 mins a game.

His basketball IQ is enough to get us some easy buketz
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 11:32 pm    Post subject:

Well at least Marc should be fresh and ready to roll against Ayton, this extended rest allows the pinkie to heal up.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 1:03 am    Post subject:

Unbelievable how he didn't play tonight.

AD was great when he was feed at the 5. Gasol he's great on that cause he plays outside and would let AD be the center offensively. And he would be another one feeding him, we needed his IQ, with the plus that he's a good 3 point shooter.

I can't understand.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 5:49 am    Post subject:

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Unbelievable how he didn't play tonight.

AD was great when he was feed at the 5. Gasol he's great on that cause he plays outside and would let AD be the center offensively. And he would be another one feeding him, we needed his IQ, with the plus that he's a good 3 point shooter.

I can't understand.


The only thing I can think of is Vogel was worried about Gasol's lack of speed and recovery against a small-ball team like GS. Not saying I agree with it - I think he should've tried it for a few minutes to see if Gasol could make up for the defensive vulnerability by facilitating/enabling both AD and Schroeder on offense.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 5:52 am    Post subject:

Come on, Vogel. Play the man.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 5:55 am    Post subject:

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Come on, Vogel. Play the man.


He would been destroyed last night with the Warriors small ball lineup.

His time will come against Ayton, and if we/Denver move on, Jokic.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 5:58 am    Post subject:

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Come on, Vogel. Play the man.


He would been destroyed last night with the Warriors small ball lineup.

His time will come against Ayton, and if we/Denver move on, Jokic.


He would give us a better production than Drummond, who looked completely lost out there. At least he would free the paint for AD.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 6:00 am    Post subject:

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Come on, Vogel. Play the man.


He would been destroyed last night with the Warriors small ball lineup.

His time will come against Ayton, and if we/Denver move on, Jokic.


He would give us a better production than Drummond, who looked completely lost out there. At least he would free the paint for AD.


But he would have been utterly destroyed on switches.

It's ok. I expect to see more Marc against the Suns.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 6:01 am    Post subject:

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Come on, Vogel. Play the man.


He would been destroyed last night with the Warriors small ball lineup.

His time will come against Ayton, and if we/Denver move on, Jokic.


He would give us a better production than Drummond, who looked completely lost out there. At least he would free the paint for AD.


Agreed, it was worth a try with how badly Trezz/Drummond were affecting AD/Schroeder's games.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 6:01 am    Post subject:

Yeah, that's one thing to keep in mind as we move forward. Drummond absolutely kills spacing for us for sure.
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 12:40 pm    Post subject:

Why isn’t he playing?
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 12:41 pm    Post subject:

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Why isn’t he playing?


There’s an apparent obsession with Andre Drummond.
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 12:50 pm    Post subject:

Seriously? I like Vogel but this is pissing me off. Drummond and Harrell are NOT better than Gasol.
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 12:54 pm    Post subject:

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Why isn’t he playing?


There’s an apparent obsession with Andre Drummond.


I was excited when we got Drummond, but now... there’s a reason he’s a buyout player. For all the rebounding he does, he gives it right back with turnovers and blown easy baskets.
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 1:21 pm    Post subject:

Really miss seeing Gasol help get the court spaced and still be a defensive big. z Drummond and AD have yet to mesh well on the offensive end of court and defensively he's tough to watch.
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 1:59 pm    Post subject:

He needs to play next game. Ayton is looking like a god out there and we have so little offensive movement.
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 2:00 pm    Post subject:

Closest thing we have to a Rondo type and his ass is glued to the bench.
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 2:01 pm    Post subject:

Vogel's idiocy should cost him his coaching job if the Lakers lose this series.
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 2:08 pm    Post subject:

Gasol is NOT injured? and Vogel wants us to lose?

Why was the 2nd highest BBall IQ on the team on the bench
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