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frijolero01 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: |
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non-player zealot wrote: | frijolero01 wrote: |
Eddie Van Halen <ducks for cover>
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Good thing you ducked. I slung poo.
Nirvana? Chuck Berry? Zeppelin? Musical ubersuccess is mistrusted by some music fans no matter what. It's the old, "If everyone likes it, it must be overrated." |
I mentioned Link Wray. I'm sure a lot of people like Link Wray. But I don't think he's given enough credit. He invented distortion and the power chord. It's not always "what everyone likes" that's overrated. Jimi Hendrix is worshiped by everyone and in my opinion, i don't think he's overrated at all. _________________ Thank you, Kobe. We love you. |
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Bballguru5000 Star Player
Joined: 06 Mar 2008 Posts: 8125 Location: Born and Raised in Los Angeles, now living in Manhattan, NY.
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | i've always seen EVH as a supreme talent who made music i didn't enjoy listening to. |
That sums it up pretty well. |
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non-player zealot Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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While he has contributed some brilliant technique that is used by many, where he falls short to me is that his music does not transcend his era. |
Depends on how you mean "transcend". Led Zeppelin doesn't transcend the 70s judging by the poopscape of today's popular music. Even the alternative stuff from just 15 yrs ago is about as unheard of today as 80s pop (which in itself is damn near high art compared to 2000s pop).
Or do you mean transcend as in "stuff that's still played, listened to and appreciated today"? Zeppelin certainly is, but then again, Roth VH is too, albeit to a lesser extent. Their first album alone has 5 tracks that have been classic rock station staples for years. They're also making a lot of money on tour after years of insulting their fans with feuds that would make Shaq and Kobe blush.
Any of the younger crowd who knows what Roth VH is does so almost assuredly because of EVH. Interestingly, Weezer, who was also listed overrated, is probably the contemporary band most influenced by VH, right down to their logo. Green Day and Pantera were two other divergent acts who listed VH as influences. Dimebag Darryl had one of EVH's guitars buried with him. JC Mellencamp says they're the greatest music act of the 80s. I think VH have always been more respected by other musicians than by critics. _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL
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AFrailey Rookie
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 22
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Lil Wayne and Kanye West!!!
Oh and Elvis and Frank are so not overrated!!! |
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vanexelent Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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non-player zealot wrote: | 24 wrote: |
While he has contributed some brilliant technique that is used by many, where he falls short to me is that his music does not transcend his era. |
Depends on how you mean "transcend". Led Zeppelin doesn't transcend the 70s judging by the poopscape of today's popular music. Even the alternative stuff from just 15 yrs ago is about as unheard of today as 80s pop (which in itself is damn near high art compared to 2000s pop).
Or do you mean transcend as in "stuff that's still played, listened to and appreciated today"? Zeppelin certainly is, but then again, Roth VH is too, albeit to a lesser extent. Their first album alone has 5 tracks that have been classic rock station staples for years. They're also making a lot of money on tour after years of insulting their fans with feuds that would make Shaq and Kobe blush.
Any of the younger crowd who knows what Roth VH is does so almost assuredly because of EVH. Interestingly, Weezer, who was also listed overrated, is probably the contemporary band most influenced by VH, right down to their logo. Green Day and Pantera were two other divergent acts who listed VH as influences. Dimebag Darryl had one of EVH's guitars buried with him. JC Mellencamp says they're the greatest music act of the 80s. I think VH have always been more respected by other musicians than by critics. |
EVH is regarded as a great guitarist but it would be disengenuous to say Jump and Panama are trancsendent, no matter what the definition is. |
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Omar Little Moderator
Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 90299 Location: Formerly Known As 24
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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non-player zealot wrote: | 24 wrote: |
While he has contributed some brilliant technique that is used by many, where he falls short to me is that his music does not transcend his era. |
Depends on how you mean "transcend". Led Zeppelin doesn't transcend the 70s judging by the poopscape of today's popular music. Even the alternative stuff from just 15 yrs ago is about as unheard of today as 80s pop (which in itself is damn near high art compared to 2000s pop).
Or do you mean transcend as in "stuff that's still played, listened to and appreciated today"? Zeppelin certainly is, but then again, Roth VH is too, albeit to a lesser extent. Their first album alone has 5 tracks that have been classic rock station staples for years. They're also making a lot of money on tour after years of insulting their fans with feuds that would make Shaq and Kobe blush.
Any of the younger crowd who knows what Roth VH is does so almost assuredly because of EVH. Interestingly, Weezer, who was also listed overrated, is probably the contemporary band most influenced by VH, right down to their logo. Green Day and Pantera were two other divergent acts who listed VH as influences. Dimebag Darryl had one of EVH's guitars buried with him. JC Mellencamp says they're the greatest music act of the 80s. I think VH have always been more respected by other musicians than by critics. |
I meant that in artistic terms, as in having something of lasting artistic value. I consider VH to be very vapid, with some really great guitar riffs, sort of like Yngvie Malmsteen or Joe Satriani, but with the pop celebrity of David Lee Roth thrown in.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the innovative technique of Eddie, but I don't think he really used it to any meaningful end. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Sportsmuze Star Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Led Zepplin cannot possibly be overrated.
I wish it was so I didnt have to listen to the new utter garbage rock/alternative thats all over any radio anywhere today. |
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slippy Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:21 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Led Zepplin cannot possibly be overrated. |
Zeppelin was kind of the Jay-Z of their time. Before Zep, there was the Experience and Cream, both wildly popular and genre-defining bands that broke up about the time Zeppelin released their first album. Zeppelin vs. The Who is in effect the Jay-Z/Nas debate, especially since there were rumors that Jimmy Page had wanted to recruit Entwistle and Moon. Zep was frequently accused for biting off lyrics and riffs from blues artists. Zep essentially became a super-brand name only rivaled by the Stones -- singles, shirts, megaevent concerts -- and eventually became the standard bearer of "Hard Rock" to people who don't listen to the stuff. This is similar to Jay-Z's relationship with commercial hip-hop. Both can come to define an era. And so, at some point, people started included Zep in GOAT discussions in the same way that kids often bring up Jay-Z. |
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Vishnu Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: |
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Michael Jackson is not overrated |
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southgate Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Elvis and Weezy |
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chino Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Amy Whinehouse... _________________ Excuse me for my bad english.
Portuguese Lakers Fan! |
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SirRunnethOfSoCal Star Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Kanye West hands down is the MOST overrated musician living today. _________________ =======================
"The mafia appeal to your intellect - 'You're an intelligent person aren't you? And you realize it's very difficult to walk without knees?'" - Richard Pryor |
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Ares24 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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SirRunnethOfSoCal wrote: | Kanye West hands down is the MOST overrated musician living today. |
AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Ares24 wrote: | SirRunnethOfSoCal wrote: | Kanye West hands down is the MOST overrated musician living today. |
AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
It would be a tough fight between him and Sean Puff Daddy P Diddy Combs. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Vishnu Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: |
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24 wrote: | Ares24 wrote: | SirRunnethOfSoCal wrote: | Kanye West hands down is the MOST overrated musician living today. |
AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
It would be a tough fight between him and Sean Puff Daddy P Diddy Combs. |
I don't think anyone rates Puffy very high on the list of great musicians. |
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prisma8slg Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Vishnu wrote: | 24 wrote: | Ares24 wrote: | SirRunnethOfSoCal wrote: | Kanye West hands down is the MOST overrated musician living today. |
AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
It would be a tough fight between him and Sean Puff Daddy P Diddy Combs. |
I don't think anyone rates Puffy very high on the list of great musicians. |
I don't. but I really like "I need a Girl (part ii)." _________________ "I define success by championships, by winning..." Kobe Bryant
"I've seen it all. Sasha dunked on somebody," Kobe Bryant said. "I'm ready to retire now." |
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chino Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:16 am Post subject: |
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Madonna...she's not a good singer, not a great dancer...she is great managing her image... _________________ Excuse me for my bad english.
Portuguese Lakers Fan! |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: |
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chino wrote: | Madonna...she's not a good singer, not a great dancer...she is great managing her image... |
i think we may have a winner here. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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Vancouver Fan Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Kanye's new tracks are garbage so far....I hate the computer altered voice ish. |
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TACH Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Vancouver Fan wrote: | Kanye's new tracks are garbage so far....I hate the computer altered voice ish. | Death to Auto Tune!!!!! |
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n9c Star Player
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:39 am Post subject: |
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Puff Daddy SUCKS. Him and all of Bad Boy minus Biggie. Definition of Garbage |
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