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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:02 pm    Post subject:

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Vlad on defense.. what is Phil thinking?


Why isn't Ariza in the game for defensive purposes? Again, why does Fisher insist on drifting down to the post and leave the 3 pt shooter wide open, we have 2 freaking 7 footers in there, what's he going to do in the paint, block shots?
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rpadma12 wrote:
Vlad on defense.. what is Phil thinking?


Why isn't Ariza in the game for defensive purposes? Again, why does Fisher insist on drifting down to the post and leave the 3 pt shooter wide open, we have 2 freaking 7 footers in there, what's he going to do in the paint, block shots?

ariza gambles for steals more than vlad. also, vlad has longer arms, so if he was in position, he would be better at distracting the shooter
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Y'all won't lose vs Houston. We will probably be without Artest & McGrady........


The Rockets are better off without those two on the floor. You might actually give the ball to your bigs who can actually make shots.


Houston was a much better team with McGrady and Battier. They are completely different with Artest. McGrady and Artest can't play together, they're like Bryant and Odom. Good individually, but their games are like Oil and Water...
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Y'all won't lose vs Houston. We will probably be without Artest & McGrady........


The Rockets are better off without those two on the floor. You might actually give the ball to your bigs who can actually make shots.


T-Mac I may give you because the rest of the team seems lethargic when he is on the court, but the attitude is completely different when Ron is out there.

But you won't say we are better once Battier gets in foul trouble or rests and you see Von Wafer or Brent Barry trying to check Kobe. Can you say field day!!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:04 pm    Post subject:

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Why isn't Ariza in the game for defensive purposes? Again, why does Fisher insist on drifting down to the post and leave the 3 pt shooter wide open, we have 2 freaking 7 footers in there, what's he going to do in the paint, block shots?



Ariza's offense is consistenly hot n cold, Fish is a defensive liability but has a veteran presence.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:04 pm    Post subject:

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THIS IS NOT A CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER TEAM!!!


Man I could have told you that a month ago. It's not about how you win, it's about how you play, and this team is not very good. Expect them to lose 2 of 3 against the Rockets, Spurs, and Magic.


Y'all won't lose vs Houston. We will probably be without Artest & McGrady........


Portland didn't have Brandon Roy, and the Celtics still lost. They will lose 1 of the 2, maybe both, but they will lose because so many of our players have low BBIQ. And Orlando has two matchup nightmares for us Howard, and Nelson.
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Vlad on defense.. what is Phil thinking?


Why isn't Ariza in the game for defensive purposes? Again, why does Fisher insist on drifting down to the post and leave the 3 pt shooter wide open, we have 2 freaking 7 footers in there, what's he going to do in the paint, block shots?

ariza gambles for steals more than vlad. also, vlad has longer arms, so if he was in position, he would be better at distracting the shooter


That's a big "if"
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:05 pm    Post subject:

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Why isn't Ariza in the game for defensive purposes? Again, why does Fisher insist on drifting down to the post and leave the 3 pt shooter wide open, we have 2 freaking 7 footers in there, what's he going to do in the paint, block shots?



Ariza's offense is consistenly hot n cold, Fish is a defensive liability but has a veteran presence.


You have to find balance. Fisher has the swagger and experience, but Ariza has the tools. At any rate, we need to make a trade.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:06 pm    Post subject:

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Vlad on defense.. what is Phil thinking?


Why isn't Ariza in the game for defensive purposes? Again, why does Fisher insist on drifting down to the post and leave the 3 pt shooter wide open, we have 2 freaking 7 footers in there, what's he going to do in the paint, block shots?

ariza gambles for steals more than vlad. also, vlad has longer arms, so if he was in position, he would be better at distracting the shooter


That's a big "if"

I agree with you, but even phil looked like he couldn't understand why vlad did that play
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:07 pm    Post subject:

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Why isn't Ariza in the game for defensive purposes? Again, why does Fisher insist on drifting down to the post and leave the 3 pt shooter wide open, we have 2 freaking 7 footers in there, what's he going to do in the paint, block shots?



Ariza's offense is consistenly hot n cold, Fish is a defensive liability but has a veteran presence.


Ariza would be in for Borat, and if radmonvich's offense isn't consistantley hot and cold, then i dont know what is.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:08 pm    Post subject:

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You have to find balance. Fisher has the swagger and experience, but Ariza has the tools. At any rate, we need to make a trade.


Phil could probably sub them in and out depending on the offensive/defensive scenarios.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:08 pm    Post subject:

A reporter should ask Vladi why he left the shooter, I think it would be very interesting for all to hear what he has to say about that.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:08 pm    Post subject:

10scott10 wrote:
DocK36 wrote:
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DocK36 wrote:
rpadma12 wrote:
Vlad on defense.. what is Phil thinking?


Why isn't Ariza in the game for defensive purposes? Again, why does Fisher insist on drifting down to the post and leave the 3 pt shooter wide open, we have 2 freaking 7 footers in there, what's he going to do in the paint, block shots?

ariza gambles for steals more than vlad. also, vlad has longer arms, so if he was in position, he would be better at distracting the shooter


That's a big "if"

I agree with you, but even phil looked like he couldn't understand why vlad did that play


nobody can understand wtf vlad was doing there. just stupid, beyond stupid, really. even stupid people know to stay on your man there and run him off the 3.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:08 pm    Post subject:

If the Lakers can make a trade for a player like Shane Battier at the deadline, it would be a God-Send.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:11 pm    Post subject:

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You have to find balance. Fisher has the swagger and experience, but Ariza has the tools. At any rate, we need to make a trade.


Phil could probably sub them in and out depending on the offensive/defensive scenarios.


I agree. I wish someone would make a point of this in the forum itself, so it can be discussed more indepth.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject:

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That's just greeeeat, no one tried to foul in the backcourt, but Fish fouls the shooter (lucky no call).

I guess the Lakers got their revenge this time, but another lazy Sunday game.


it was definitely a foul that should have been called. Last play of the game or not. This stupid rule they (the refs) go by (and not consistent in that either) of 'letting the players decide, swallow the whistle' is dead wrong - whether it benefits the Lakers or hurts them...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:13 pm    Post subject:

There it is, it's official. Phil decides whether Drew gets touches or not, so the team is following his instructions.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:14 pm    Post subject:



Rick Fox is hilarious with this 'Boston sucks' t-shirt
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:14 pm    Post subject:

Anyone else notice that on a few shots, Wade would jumpe up for the running jumper and would lean or jerk in the air like he's trying to draw contact or sell the refs on a foul call, the defender was no where near him when he did that. Is that like his signature move now? Kind of like the skyhook.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:15 pm    Post subject:

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That's just greeeeat, no one tried to foul in the backcourt, but Fish fouls the shooter (lucky no call).

I guess the Lakers got their revenge this time, but another lazy Sunday game.


it was definitely a foul that should have been called. Last play of the game or not. This stupid rule they (the refs) go by (and not consistent in that either) of 'letting the players decide, swallow the whistle' is dead wrong - whether it benefits the Lakers or hurts them...


Be that as it may, i can't ever remember Kobe getting a game ending foul call, and I've seen him actually get ridiculously hammered.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:15 pm    Post subject:

Rick12322 wrote:
A reporter should ask Vladi why he left the shooter, I think it would be very interesting for all to hear what he has to say about that.


As long as Vlad didn't detect something moving in his peripheral vision, or hear a noise in the background, he might, just maybe, be able to focus enough to at least realize he was being asked a question and ask the reporter to repeat the question. I'm not sure he could focus long enough on one thought to answer it though.
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Wildchild027 wrote:
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JUST-MING wrote:
THIS IS NOT A CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER TEAM!!!


Man I could have told you that a month ago. It's not about how you win, it's about how you play, and this team is not very good. Expect them to lose 2 of 3 against the Rockets, Spurs, and Magic.


Y'all won't lose vs Houston. We will probably be without Artest & McGrady........


Portland didn't have Brandon Roy, and the Celtics still lost. They will lose 1 of the 2, maybe both, but they will lose because so many of our players have low BBIQ. And Orlando has two matchup nightmares for us Howard, and Nelson.


Yep, and they're one of the best, if not the best, 3 pt shooting team in the league. They shot 16-28 against Atlanta and 14-21 against the Spurs tonight. Seeing as how we love giving open 3s to just about everyone, Orlando should have a really fun time from there against us
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:24 pm    Post subject:

Man that was some ugly minutes at the end there. Thank God we got the W though.

It was probaly a foul, but in the NBA, you just dont get that call in that situation if your name is Chris Quinn

Lets hope for at least one win in Texas, this team seems to step up in big games. If Artest AND T-mac is out we should have a really good shot against them, and Spurs have lost some games on their on floor as well.

Oh and Odom said he might be back sometime on the Texas-trip, that's good news
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Lamar Odom sighting...

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:32 pm    Post subject:

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That's just greeeeat, no one tried to foul in the backcourt, but Fish fouls the shooter (lucky no call).

I guess the Lakers got their revenge this time, but another lazy Sunday game.


it was definitely a foul that should have been called. Last play of the game or not. This stupid rule they (the refs) go by (and not consistent in that either) of 'letting the players decide, swallow the whistle' is dead wrong - whether it benefits the Lakers or hurts them...


Be that as it may, i can't ever remember Kobe getting a game ending foul call, and I've seen him actually get ridiculously hammered.


I don't dispute that - it's obvious. It doesn't make it right...
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