The Goodbye Ronny Turiaf Thread (ESPN - LA Doesn't Match, Turiaf a Warrior, p. 47)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:38 am    Post subject:

the general sentiments on this thread are odd for me.

i actually think that the lakers can use ronny a lot more than the jazz, and the jazz could use kwame a lot more than the lakers.

i hope this is only the beggining, and eventually we keep ronny.

the sensible economic thing for us is to have ronny as our long term back up pf - not odom.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:42 am    Post subject:

The Jazz hmmm, i actually prefer Milsap than Ronny
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:53 am    Post subject:

We have Mihm, who I get the feeling will be back at a good percentage of his previous performance. We may also have Kwame, who (when in shape) can defend pretty well.

This is entirely my opinion:
I do think Phil has a soft spot for the guy, possibly because he realizes he was abused as a child and then further abused by Jordan. Jackson more than most knows how Jordan can treat his teammates. Then Kwame got thrown onto a team with a minor (as far as abusive psycho-competitiveness) version of Jordan in Kobe who was desperate to win on a poor team.

I think as a backup with minimal pressure in a winning situation Kwame can flourish situationally. I think he's too emotionally screwed up to ever be the success he was projected to be when he was drafted. At this point the Lakers don't need a savior, just a situationally useful backup.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:55 am    Post subject:

i would take kwame over turiaf coming off the bench. just his sheer size and power. kwame is a better rebounder and defender than turiaf will ever be.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:00 am    Post subject: Re: Utah contacts Ronny to begin talks

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The Jazz contacted agent Mark Bartelstein about L.A. Lakers forward Ronny Turiaf

Bartelstein added that he was planning to talk with O'Connor later Tuesday.


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Please overpay him Connor.. you will be my hero.. goodbye Ronny.


We are gonna lose Ronny and keep Luke....
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:02 am    Post subject:

I'd choose Kwame over Turiaf if I were asked to choose between the two. I'm not saying that Ronny has no NBA skills. Sure, he's an energetic guy and an asset in the locker room, but he must improve a lot in order to be effective. He's too short to be a center, yet too slow to be a power forward.

At least Kwame has an NBA body. He can defend and rebound pretty well. If Turiaf walks then we sign him.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject:

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Tinybus... you also have to factor in.. will he want to be back after he witnessed half of the Laker crowd booing like a midnight hour of a forest when ghosts boo at there own curiosity?


Either a brilliant metaphor I can't quite comprehend, or more weird, nonsensical drivel.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:18 am    Post subject:

If Phil has a soft spot for Kwame then you wouldn't think he would be meowing at him in front of the press indicating that he is a (bleep)(cat). Seems a little low for someone you're so fond of
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:35 am    Post subject:

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I'm not saying there aren't options, I'm saying it is suprising that they're making it public that they have options if Sasha leaves, but not if Turiaf does. On paper, I like what Brown brings as a backup center, but it is hard for me to imagine him coming back. Someone will give him 2-3M to be a big body inside.


The Lakers aren't really making anything public. The media find out about some phone calls/conversations/speculation and they don't find about others. We only hear about a small fraction of the discussions that GMs have about trades and free agents.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:43 am    Post subject:

Caron1 wrote:
KOBE 2.0 wrote:
Tinybus... you also have to factor in.. will he want to be back after he witnessed half of the Laker crowd booing like a midnight hour of a forest when ghosts boo at there own curiosity?


Either a brilliant metaphor I can't quite comprehend, or more weird, nonsensical drivel.


I tend to suspect the latter.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: Utah contacts Ronny to begin talks

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Ronny is fun to watch on the bench with all of his towel waving and all. But on the court, he just needs to control his emotions. If he does transfer to another team... then i wish him all the luck


I don't really care that much either way if Turiaf stays or not. But, I'd say Sasha is the one that needs to control his emotions much moreso than Ronnie. Dude gets all upset and mentally takes himself out of games. Then to make matters worse, you visit the forums and read a bunch of fans talking about how it's a positive thing because "he's just so passionate".
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:51 am    Post subject:

I don't see Utah breaking the bank for Ronny.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:57 am    Post subject: Re: Utah contacts Ronny to begin talks

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The Jazz contacted agent Mark Bartelstein about L.A. Lakers forward Ronny Turiaf

Bartelstein added that he was planning to talk with O'Connor later Tuesday.


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Please overpay him Connor.. you will be my hero.. goodbye Ronny.



Then who in the world is going to play backup PF for us? Why do you want Ronny gone?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:58 am    Post subject:

Dont forget what Ronny did in the regular season
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:07 am    Post subject:

KOBE 2.0 wrote:
George W Buss wrote:
There is a FA big guy named Kwame Brown somewhere out there


Well that guy smells bad. I'm not sure if Phil can handle him hes not about to bring a mental case on this team when we need to get rid of Odom and Vlad.



have you nothing positive to say about anyone or anything?

Ronny a the right prie s a fantasti element on this eam. Not to mention he's kobe's best friend.

Kwame would be great or us as well.

Really, the mindless yammering gets old.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:12 am    Post subject:

targetman wrote:
If Phil has a soft spot for Kwame then you wouldn't think he would be meowing at him in front of the press indicating that he is a <I is ignorant>(cat). Seems a little low for someone you're so fond of


I think on the other hand, it shows how positive he is about Kwame.
Phil never joked about Smush, but he joked a lot about Kwame and as far as I know, Kwame was not angry with those jokes.
But this argument has its flaws as well since Phil doesn't joke about Kobe either, but he loves Kobe.

Maybe another sign that Phil likes Kwame is how he gave a lot of time to him even when he was playing terrible (just like how Phil handles Luke).
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: Utah contacts Ronny to begin talks

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The Jazz contacted agent Mark Bartelstein about L.A. Lakers forward Ronny Turiaf

Bartelstein added that he was planning to talk with O'Connor later Tuesday.


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Please overpay him Connor.. you will be my hero.. goodbye Ronny.


why? ronny is like kobe's best friend. and he brings a lot of energy on the bench. plus hes a good defender. and has improved a little on offence. ronny just stay here
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: Utah contacts Ronny to begin talks

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KOBE 2.0 wrote:
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The Jazz contacted agent Mark Bartelstein about L.A. Lakers forward Ronny Turiaf

Bartelstein added that he was planning to talk with O'Connor later Tuesday.


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Please overpay him Connor.. you will be my hero.. goodbye Ronny.


We are gonna lose Ronny and keep Luke....


Yup .... how pathetic! I HATE LUKE!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:18 am    Post subject: Re: Utah contacts Ronny to begin talks

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The Jazz contacted agent Mark Bartelstein about L.A. Lakers forward Ronny Turiaf

Bartelstein added that he was planning to talk with O'Connor later Tuesday.


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Please overpay him Connor.. you will be my hero.. goodbye Ronny.


why? ronny is like kobe's best friend. and he brings a lot of energy on the bench


Caron was Kobe's best friend and workout partner and they traded him for Kwame. Since when does our front office care...?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: Utah contacts Ronny to begin talks

TNLakersFanInLA wrote:
Lakersalltheway17 wrote:
KOBE 2.0 wrote:
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The Jazz contacted agent Mark Bartelstein about L.A. Lakers forward Ronny Turiaf

Bartelstein added that he was planning to talk with O'Connor later Tuesday.


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Please overpay him Connor.. you will be my hero.. goodbye Ronny.


why? ronny is like kobe's best friend. and he brings a lot of energy on the bench


Caron was Kobe's best friend and workout partner and they traded him for Kwame. Since when does our front office care...?


oh plz when was the last time you saw caron with kobe in something like this...

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject:

Good for Ronny. If he can't stick here, I hope he goes to a situation that is good for him.

And Utah is perfect for Ronny...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: Utah contacts Ronny to begin talks

Lakersalltheway17 wrote:
KOBE 2.0 wrote:
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The Jazz contacted agent Mark Bartelstein about L.A. Lakers forward Ronny Turiaf

Bartelstein added that he was planning to talk with O'Connor later Tuesday.


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Please overpay him Connor.. you will be my hero.. goodbye Ronny.


why? ronny is like kobe's best friend. and he brings a lot of energy on the bench. plus hes a good defender. and has improved a little on offence. ronny just stay here


1. Ronny doesn't rebound
2. Ronny would rather pass out of the post than make a strong move
3. Ronny's too small to play C
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:32 am    Post subject: Re: Utah contacts Ronny to begin talks

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Lakersalltheway17 wrote:
KOBE 2.0 wrote:
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The Jazz contacted agent Mark Bartelstein about L.A. Lakers forward Ronny Turiaf

Bartelstein added that he was planning to talk with O'Connor later Tuesday.


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Please overpay him Connor.. you will be my hero.. goodbye Ronny.


why? ronny is like kobe's best friend. and he brings a lot of energy on the bench. plus hes a good defender. and has improved a little on offence. ronny just stay here


1. Ronny doesn't rebound
2. Ronny would rather pass out of the post than make a strong move
3. Ronny's too small to play C


1. your high
2. thats because thats not his thing. he just shoots the mid jay. but your right he should do that more.
3. ben wallace is a 6'9 center. barkley was a 6'4 PF. the hieght doesen't mean sh**.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:34 am    Post subject:

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Caron1 wrote:
KOBE 2.0 wrote:
Tinybus... you also have to factor in.. will he want to be back after he witnessed half of the Laker crowd booing like a midnight hour of a forest when ghosts boo at there own curiosity?


Either a brilliant metaphor I can't quite comprehend, or more weird, nonsensical drivel.


I tend to suspect the latter.


Wow, you could probably write a book about that sentence.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:44 am    Post subject:

So Ronny has the same agent as Posey, Mark Bartelstein.
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