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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:33 am    Post subject: BULLS -at- LAKERS - 11/19 - Thoughts and :-)) ratings

Trying Not to Lose Ugly... The Lakers, again, suffered through 22 turnovers and sloppy play on the offensive end. There were plenty of miscues down the stretch, as well, but the Lakers held on to the 82-72 win over the Bulls...and the W is all that counts.

If Kobe and Lamar looked a little more like a one-two punch, Bynum and Kwame looked liked like their own two-headed monster at the center spot. The two Laker bigmen combined for 15 points and 22 boards, owning the paint. "Andrew does a great job of protecting our basket," Lamar said in the Times. "He's learned how to be intimidating. Guys are thinking, 'Where's he at?' It used to be layups against our team. Now there's deflections."

Kirk Hinrich, Ben Gordon and Chris Duhon scored a combined 13 points on 4-21 shooting. Props to the Laker guards. Andres Nocioni, however, lit us up for 30 points.

They've got to clean up the turnovers, of course. They are the second worst in the league in this category and are giving up the ball 3 more times than their opponent on any given night. Lamar, Kobe and Smush combined for 15 turnovers tonight. Despite that, the Lakers hold a 7-3 record ... and their execution will only improve as the season goes on.


Kobe -- -- He got blocked on a reverse layup attempt. He missed a long jumper. He was 0-2 after the first quarter. After a couple of turnovers to start the second, he attacked a crowd and threw in a floater on the baseline. He ball watched badly on one stand and his man ran past him for a putback off a missed jumper. He drained a wing three on a kickout. He had 5 points on 2-6 shooting at the half. He did a much better job getting into the paint and getting to the line in the second half to manufacture some points. He posted up and banked from the wing. He blew past Hinrich on the baseline and scored over the front of the rim. He attacked the lane and drew FTs, making both. He picked up more FTs on a reach call on Hinrich and made both. Kobe iced against Thabo, went back and forth on the dribble six times, then rose up and swished the 20-footer from the wing. He tried it again and missed. He was called for a charge up by 5 with just over a minute left. He sank three of four FTs in the final minute. He finished with 18 points on 5-14 shooting, he had 4 boards, 4 assists, 4 turnovers and 2 steals. Phil wanted Kobe to do a better job moving the ball and keeping the flow of the offense, but also credited him with taking Hinrich out of the game. He also gave Kobe some props for his leadership out there, which Kobe did do a solid job with throughout the game.

Odom -- -- Lamar got a lot more looks and touches in the post in this game and was aggressive with it every time. He had a few miscues, leading the Laker with 7 turnovers...but he also led the team in points, scoring 23 on 8-17 shooting and 7-9 from the line. He also pulled down 10 boards and dished 4 assists. He posted up Deng and scored easily with a jumphook. He attacked strong to his left and powered in a layup over Deng. He had a couple more aggressive attacks to end the first, but we couldn't convert. He fumbled a dribble out of bounds, an unforced turnover. He attacked and kicked out to Evans for a three. He cleaned up a miss by Kobe against the zone with a weakside putback. He posted up Deng, overpowered him and scored with his right. He had 8 points, 6 boards and 4 assists at the half. He attacked down the middle of the lane and finger rolled in an And-1, he made the FT. Good battle to pull down a defensive board, tipping it to himself several times. He grabbed a defensive board, pushed out with speed, attacked the lane, spun between defenders and scored a layup, falling to the ground. He drew a whistle and had his shot goaltended for an And-1, he made the FT. He attacked, drew a foul and a T on Noccioni, he made two of three FTs. After a rest, he came back in midway through the fourth, immediately went to the post, got the ball and drew FTs. He sank two FTs and then took an outlet pass, cradled the ball and threwdown with 3 seconds left. "I'm still out of shape," Lamar said after the game.

Smush -- -- Smush got his first poster job of the year, this one on Wallace, hammering it over him off a pinch post drive. After the last game, where he more resembled how he played last year. It's good to also see him cram on someone like that, too. Hopefully, he's starting to return to where he was last year. He finished with 7 points on 2-6 shooting, 4 boards and 1 steal. He had 1 assist with 4 turnovers. Defensively, that stats of the Bull guards show that we were playing some solid ball. He didn't give up a ton of penetration and had some good hustle and contests. He had some foul trouble that limited his playing time a little. Early on, Smush attacked, hung in the air and drew Wallace's second foul of the first quarter and a couple FTs. He got a kind bounce on a three to start the second half. Poor angled entry pass forcing it into the post for a turnover and breakaway score on the other end. He was called for a charge that erased an And-1, bad call as Wallace was in the restricted circle. He had to sit with his fourth foul after that one. He was called for a charge with just over a minute left and 16 on the shotclock.

Bynum -- -- He out "Ben Wallaced" Ben Wallace. I loved the energy at times on the boards and the number of times he changed shots to anchor the D. In 28 minutes, he pulled down 13 rebounds (3 offensive), blocked 4 shots and scored 12 points on 5-10 shooting before fouling out. Phil had put a target on this game for Drew as a challenge. The kid answered the call. He set the tone early when he swatted Wallace on Ben's first attempt of the game. He challenged two more shots to force a turnover and a miss (Wallace cleaned up the miss). He got tapped on a left-handed up and under on his first post attempt, Luke tipped it back in. He drew a foul on Wallace under the hoop, made one FT. He scored an And-1 trailing a play, catching a pass, spinning and putting it in. He missed a FT jumper on a kickout. He swatted Duhon penetration with a nice leap out from under the hoop. He had Wallace beat on another up and under, but brought the ball up high in the open and Wallace recovered to block it. He challenged several more shots in the first quarter, altering them and anchoring the D. He took an entry pass, spun and scored a layup. He erased a shot by Deng. Farmar fed him in the middle of the lane against the zone and Drew calmly hit a jumphook. He pushed Wallace going for an offensive rebound and picked up his second foul. He drilled Ben while stopping on the break and letting Wallace run into him. He and Lamar got beat on a couple of FT misses when the Bulls ran some simple stunts on Wallace's misses. He had 7 points, 6 boards and 4 blocks at the half. He took back-to-back offensive boards, the second one he put back in at the front of the rim. He was getting a little irked that he wasn't getting any post touches in one sequence, so he grabbed an offensive board and immediately turned, fired and hit the 9-foot jumper. He grabbed another offensive board and drew a foul, he made one FT. After going to the bench, he came back in and quickly picked up two fouls, one going for a block against Hinrich, the other over the back going for an offensive board. He fouled out with 4 minutes left. Ben Wallace on Bynum after the game: "I like what he brings to the table. He's a solid player, doesn't try to do anything he can't do," he said. "That's great anytime you can get a young post player who knows what his limitations are, knows what he can be effective at and just comes out night in night out and does those things he knows he can do." Sounds like he was describing himself a bit.

Walton -- -- Nocioni lit him up. If we had Turiaf, I might have moved LO onto Nocioni because we could have used the extra length to contest jumpers. Luke didn't return the punch, either. He had just 6 points on 2-5 shooting, 4 assists with 2 turnovers and 3 boards in 32 minutes. He put back in a miss from Bynum. He sank a corner three off some good Laker ball movement. He threw a horrible lob pass out of bounds trying to hit Kobe after Drew set a nice pick and Kobe was wide open. He passed up a three and charged in the lane. He missed a wing three over the zone. He only converted one of two FTs with 2:47 left. Luke needs to clean up those FTs.

Kwame -- -- "Dunk are energy lifters. That was a great pass by Kobe, a good finish by me," Kwame said of his poster job late in the game. "The steal before that I think was the turning point of the game." After helping contest a shot on the D end with Kobe to get that steal, he ended up on the floor. Kwame got up and trailed Kobe on the break, Kobe flipped him the ball and Kwame launched from a couple feet in front of the restricted circle and threw down a massive, And-1 posterizer over Nocioni (your Tivo replay of the night). Wow. The was Kwame's only field goal in 20 minutes, but he played a very good game. He pulled down 9 boards, 2 offensive and had 2 steals. His team D was especially effective on the night and he also came up with some big boards. Early on, Farmar set him up on the two-man game for FTs, Kwame made one. Good D, holding his spot in the lane and having his man bounce off him and brick. He drew a couple of charges in the lane in his first stint of the second half. Shortly after his huge jam, you could see Kwame's radar go off defensively when a perimeter player had his back turned, Kwame left Wallace alone, blindsided the ball handler to knock it loose, then he hustled for the loose ball. Very nice defensive gamble. Later, he went up strong to pull down an offensive board, he powered back up, missed, got it back and reset the offense. Great step out on Hinrich to contest a three and Hinrich traveled.

Radmanovic -- -- He missed a point-blank putback. Good D in the backcourt to get PJ to pick up the dribble, then Vlad sagged to double the guard and it resulted in an 8-second violation. He got swatted under the hoop by Thomas. Good challenge on Nocioni to force a rare miss early on. Nice ball fake off the pinch post handoff, then he turned to the lane and hit the open FT jumper (this kind of play will be a weapon he will probably be able to find success every game if he wants). Great D one-on-one against Thabo late in the fourth and Vlad swatted him at the rim.

Evans -- -- Mo hit a couple of big shots, both threes. He drained a wing three on a kickout from Lamar. With the shotclock about to expire he fired off another wing three and got a nice bounce late in the game. That's all it took to lead the bench scoring with 6 points on 2-3 shooting. He also had 3 boards in 15 minutes.

Cook -- -- No notes. He played just 2:10 and had 1 turnover. The athletic PFs that the Bulls have kept Cook on the bench. And Phil wasn't going to stick Cook in there against Wallace at C.

Farmar -- -- He sprained his ankle after putting in a good stint of ball on both ends. The x-rays were negative, but this will limit his effectiveness with one bad wheel. The Lakers didn't think it was too severe, so hopefully he can bounce back. He played 9:30 and scored 3 points on 1-2 shooting, had 2 boards, 1 assist and 1 block. He attacked off the dribble and fed Kwame who was fouled while attempting to throwdown. He drew an clear out foul on Gordon while staying in front of him on a drive. Great recovery on Gordon who drove and Farmar rejected him from behind (something he does well if you've followed his game...and again, where his ups really come into play). He drained a wing three on a kickout. He recognized Bynum had low position against the zone and zipped it to him for a score. He then twisted his ankle while trying to come to a jumpstop and he lost the ball.

Vujacic -- -- Sasha scored 2 points on 1-4 shooting (0-2 from three) in 5 minutes of action. He missed an open three. He banked in his next attempt from the sideline while standing on the three line (he didn't call glass). He missed another three to start his second stint. Good D in transition to help force a miss as the only man back.

Shammond -- -- The Lakers dusted off Shammond with Farmar going down. He missed a corner three on his only attempt in 4:48 of clock.

Phil -- -- Phil after the game: "I'd like to say our defense really improved, but I don't know if it did or not. I thought that [Chicago] had some good looks but didn't shoot the ball well."... The Lakers held Chicago to shooting 31 percent in the first half, but again turnovers were a factor as the Lakers had 11 first half turnovers. The Bulls also had a 9-0 advantage on fastbreak points... PJ Brown tied up Bynum, but Wallace took the jumpball and won it. Coaches didn't even notice... With Farmar done for the night with the ankle, Phil went to a Shammond, Evans, Radmanovic, Odom, Kwame line up to start the fourth... The Lakers had only 14 assists, shooting 28-70 for the night. The Bulls ended up shooting 33.8 percent to the Lakers 40 percent. The Bulls won the battle of the break 12-6...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:35 am    Post subject:

Great re-cap, DB!

IF Farmar can't bounce back for Tuesday's game, who should be the first guard off the bench? I'm tempted to say Shammond Williams, because he is less mistake-prone than Sasha.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:50 am    Post subject:

I don't know. The Clips bring in Maggette and Livingston for Cassell and Ross. We may have to go big with our second unit. A Shammond vs. Livingston matchup could be tricky.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:53 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB! Nice to see the hustling d. Would have liked to see the refs call the over the back more. The bulls were climbing our guys and shoving them from behind on the boards. It kept them in the game.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:58 am    Post subject:

Where has Turiaf been the last couple games? Is he hurt or has Phil just decided to not play him? He only got 3 minutes in the Memphis game and had two DNPs for the last two games. We could have used him more in the past few games.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:00 am    Post subject:

Dorray - He's been sitting behind the bench with sore hips. That's all I know.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject:

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The Lakers didn't think it was too severe


Which means he'll probably miss the next 18 months.


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Sasha scored 2 points on 1-4 shooting


...and his FG% went up!


But, seriously, good to see the guys grinding out these ugly wins and hanging on to games that they would've easily squandered around this time during the past couple of seasons.

Good test here with the 2 vs Utah and LAC.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:06 am    Post subject:

And what more can be said about Bynum's night? Amazing to see how far this kid has come even since SPL this summer, let alone last season. When you beat Big Ben at his own game, you are doing something right.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:19 am    Post subject:

Might see a lot of Sasha if we play the clips. Might be the one guarding Livingston with his height but Livingston might tear us a new one unless Bynum/Kwame can guard the paint effectively.
I just hope Sasha gets out of his funk. He's just lost all of his confidence.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:26 am    Post subject:

Great write up DB. Sucks that Farmar got hurt.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:23 am    Post subject:

I like what LO did out there tonight. It wasn't one of those games where everything went his way i.e. it wasn't raining jumpshots. Rather, he had to make things happen for himself. At times, his apparent discomfort w/ the aggressive brand of basketball he was playing led to some confusion. However, his single mindedness paid off as the game wore on. Eventually, he eased into the invaluable role of that second all-star type talent for this team.

He needs to keep pressing until the aggressiveness permanently seeps into his veins.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:44 am    Post subject:

Funny quote in the Press Enterprise:

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"I think I had an OK night," said Bynum, who was 5 for 10 from the field, 2 for 5 from the free-throw line. "I missed some easy bunnies (layups) down there and also I missed like (three) free throws, so they were fouling me pretty much for profit. We can't have that."


I'm reminded of Shaq when he says "bunnies" instead of Shaq's "chippies"... and then that quickly disappears when Bynum gets into the "We can't have that" about missing FTs.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:05 am    Post subject:

I just loved lamar being agressive. Just his agressiveness in the post gave me a huge smile
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:19 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB!

Between the two young centers, Andrew and Kwame, there was an impressive amount of defensive effort. It really helps Kobe to shut down the guards having a good defensive center behind him. Hinrich and Gordon didn't do much, which is a credit to the team defense. If the Lakers can put out this kind of defensive effort on a regular basis, there is no doubt they can contend for Championships.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:28 am    Post subject:

As always, great to see a thorough breakdown of the games.

Re: Smush
Good and the Ugly of Smush that Equals No Consistency
** He attacked off the pinch post to dunk over Wallace
** Went for a steal at the wrong time (he missed) when the Lakers were pressing that left them at a 2 man disadvantaged
** Badly misused a screen, then lost the ball, got the ball back, tried to drive into the paint (out of control), ran into Wallace for a charge - this play was funny and I was laughing for 5+ minutes because it was a play right out of the Summer Leagues
What will it take to get him to be (at least a little more) consistent?

Re: Kobe
With Kobe/LO being forced to bring up the ball to initiate the offense
** How long do you think this will last because it is taking energy away from Kobe
** With LO/Kobe ignoring Smush in bringing up the ball, it is (as I've stated elsewhere) 4 vs. 5 since I'm unsure why Smush is in the game. At least with Vlad/Evans/Jordan/Cook/Kwame/etc. - we know what is the main focus of their respective games. How long can this last and what options can we/Phil explore

Re: Farmar
Weird on how he got injuried, did he properly tape his ankles? If he is injury-prone, how can we depend on him and what can he do to guard against these type of injuries?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:51 am    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:

Re: Farmar
Weird on how he got injuried, did he properly tape his ankles? If he is injury-prone, how can we depend on him and what can he do to guard against these type of injuries?


Injury prone? Talk about a glass half-empty reaction. Let's get rid of him now before he ends up in a body cast.

The guy twisted an ankle for God's sake. We don't know how long he'll be out. It could be nothing but even if he goes on the DL it's certainly something that could happen to anyone at any time.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:15 am    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
Funny quote in the Press Enterprise:

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"I think I had an OK night," said Bynum, who was 5 for 10 from the field, 2 for 5 from the free-throw line. "I missed some easy bunnies (layups) down there and also I missed like (three) free throws, so they were fouling me pretty much for profit. We can't have that."


I'm reminded of Shaq when he says "bunnies" instead of Shaq's "chippies"... and then that quickly disappears when Bynum gets into the "We can't have that" about missing FTs.


Good to see Bynum acknowledge missing those FTs
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:34 am    Post subject:

Again very sloppy play, Bynum and Kwame seemed to be ok, nice to have those two coming, but everyone else, horrid execution of the offense and defense, Kobe really needs to step it up.....he is chronically making bad decisions, and being the vet in this system that should not happen as often as it does....he has continued to play well in spurts but he is far too inconsistent and taking very questionable shots once again...he really needs to steady his game...LO has been up and down, he just needs to asert himself...and the Lakers really need to feed the post more often to their big men more quickly when they have established position rather than having the guards barreling into a collapsed defense which happen often last night....on the flipside they do seem to be having fun playing together which is a plus, but the are playing too loose...not building a lead and putting them away, rather building a lead, then playing sloppy for extended periods to let the other team back in...not a good sign
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:08 am    Post subject:

Great recap DB! I'll take a sloppy win anyday...

Regarding Bynum: he out boarded, out rebounded, and out swatted a former DPOY. He would look so much better with Kwame next to him. Do it PJ!! If Mihm were healthy, we will see the Bynum/Kwame/LO front court. But since he is not, Kwame/Bynum center tandem. Throw Turiaf in there and we will start rolling...

BTW Kwame's dunk would have been better if Snaq was under the basket.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:16 am    Post subject:

ElginBaylor wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:

Re: Farmar
Weird on how he got injuried, did he properly tape his ankles? If he is injury-prone, how can we depend on him and what can he do to guard against these type of injuries?


Injury prone? Talk about a glass half-empty reaction. Let's get rid of him now before he ends up in a body cast.

The guy twisted an ankle for God's sake. We don't know how long he'll be out. It could be nothing but even if he goes on the DL it's certainly something that could happen to anyone at any time.


Westphal said last night that Farmar's bad ankles at UCLA kept him from being drafted higher than he was.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:24 am    Post subject:

Right now, is this Odom's team? I felt that they were trying too hard to go to Kobe early in the game. He seemed to gain energy after Kwame's monster dunk, but before then it seemed all too forced. Yes, he needs to come in and get his energy and shot back, but the more Odom and others can carry the team, the better off Kobe will be at the end of the season.

I know there is the whole pride thing, and Kobe is an overall better player, but maybe Kobe needs to give Odom control of the team, let him be the go-to guy for now, get his confidence up, and thus make him a dangerous asset for the rest of the season, as well as post-season.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:40 am    Post subject:

Thanks for the write-up, DB.

I hate to say it, but I have a feeling that Farmar is going to be plagued with ankle injuries throughout his career. He injured them (both) at least three or four times at UCLA, and now only ten games in to the season he's sprained one of them yet again.

I didn't tape the game, but it looked like Farmar was caught in a moment of indecision where he was caught between two different thoughts and actions. He seems too young for a trick ankle, but his history of repeated injury could have taken a toll.


By the way, I figured I was just too groggy when I saw PJ Brown tie-up Andrew, and then watch as Big Ben take the jumpball. Thanks for pointing that out... weird that it wasn't caught.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:43 am    Post subject:

Solid recap DB.

As Lamar likes to put it we "won ugly".

The first 3 quarters we difficult to sit through

Co-Players of the Game: Kwame and Bynum. Just great play from the center position.

and I must say, I am a little concerned about Farmar. He does have a history of ankle problems, and I just don't want him to be out long term. I don't want anything to be forced and if he needs 2 days to get back to 90% but 10 days to get back to 100%, I'd perfer he take the 10 days. I just don't want to gamble the future...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:04 am    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
Funny quote in the Press Enterprise:

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"I think I had an OK night," said Bynum, who was 5 for 10 from the field, 2 for 5 from the free-throw line. "I missed some easy bunnies (layups) down there and also I missed like (three) free throws, so they were fouling me pretty much for profit. We can't have that."


I'm reminded of Shaq when he says "bunnies" instead of Shaq's "chippies"... and then that quickly disappears when Bynum gets into the "We can't have that" about missing FTs.

I agree with Bynum here. He has missed a few shots in the last few games that I feel he can make easily. Very high percentage shots. Used great footwork to get the seperation - just missed the ending. He just has to repeat, repeat and repeat.
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