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Thugnomoe
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| I think fedor would destroy chuck... |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| Thugnomoe wrote: | | I think fedor would destroy chuck... |
Yes fedor would destroy chuck however they are in different weight classes. Fedor is heavyweight, chuck is middleweight in pride terms and light heavyweight in ufc. So i dont think chuck would dare fight fedor cuz yes he would get destroyed, but who doesnt get destroyed fighting fedor. |
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Triumph
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| Thugnomoe wrote: | | I think fedor would destroy chuck... |
Yeah, no doubt. I think most of the elite HW's (PRIDE or UFC) would beat Chuck simply because of weight, height, and especially reach advantages. Fedor, Nogueira, Crocop, Barnett, Aleks, and Hunt would all beat Chuck. I think Tim Sylvia would also have the upperhand against Chuck. That height and reach advantage would just be too much. But that's not a knock on Liddell. In fact, it says a lot that Chuck would have a chance against any of those guys simply because of his punching power and any fight can end with one punch. Well, except against Hunt or Nog, they cannot be knocked out. Those two are freaks of nature 
On paper, Chuck would be very problematic for Wanderlei though. Chuck is the best counterpuncher at 205 and moves very well around the cage/ring. If you had asked me a year ago or so, I would've said Silva all the way. But Wanderlei has not impressed in his last few fights (Arona x2, Fujita, Crocop (wow!). Wanderlei is showing age while Chuck seems to have gotten better in his late 30's (!). I see a TKO in favor of Liddell if that match happens in the near future. It most likely won't and if it ever does Chuck will be like 40. It's a shame.
Against some other PRIDE MW's, I think Chuck would knock Arona the F out. Arona is a superb wrestler, but Chuck disposes of those guys very easily of late. Lil Nog would be intriguing, tough to call that one. Overeem he has already beaten and he seems to have lost a lot of confidence recently. Although no longer a PRIDE fighter, I think Chuck would beat Rampage soundly if they faced today. Shogun would be the best matchup against Chuck and would be the best striker he has ever faced. But really, any fights between Chuck and the top PRIDE MW's could go either way because they are all great fighters. It's too bad we won't ever get to see any of these fights. |
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methdxman
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| Thugnomoe wrote: | | I think fedor would destroy chuck... |
LOL. Chuck would probably lose in just a few minutes. I mean, seriously, Chuck has zero chance against Fedor. I mean, he doesn't even have a puncher's chance against Fedor (and Chuck is a great puncher).
2 minutes max. |
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| Quote: | | No fighter that trains in one discipline can be considered the best fighter because no one discipline is strong enough on its own. Traditional martial arts have many weaknesses. |
so true, and belive me ive experienced this first hand in a tournamnent, i specialised in kickboxing following my father footsteps, but over the years have extended to boxing and jujitsu its extended my capabillities alot, you can pre empt and use different techniques depending on the situation its somehting i couldnt do when i knew kickboxing.
as for fighters being unfit at the pro level, there is no such thing. to be a pro fighter you must be conditioned at a level so that you can last for the period of time. every master i have been taught by or fought have been in sublime condition.
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Thugnomoe
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| yeah..I realize that fedor is in a different weight class..but we're comparing punchers right? |
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Triumph
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Thugnomoe wrote: | | yeah..I realize that fedor is in a different weight class..but we're comparing punchers right? |
What do you mean? Like a Fedor/Chuck boxing match? Or simply who punches harder? If they fought in a boxing match, Chuck's chances to win just went up by a lot.
For such a hard puncher, Fedor surprisingly has only one KO in his MMA career. He's the most well-rounded fighter in MMA's short history, but his bread and butter is his ground game and patented flying ground and pound. Chuck's strength is his punching power and amazing ability to hit opponents right on the button for knockouts. He looks wild, but the results speak for themselves. He's very accurate. He has finished his fights by KO more than any other way (TKO, submission, decision). Chuck knocked out Randy Couture twice, something no one could ever do before.
So even though Fedor has proven he can stand with K1 level strikers, the lesser of two evils would be to stand with him because no one is beating him on the ground. But at least standing it is possible to rock him (see his dizzy dance against Fujita). If a wrestler like Fujita can rock him like that, certainly Chuck could do so as well. Not likely, but possible.
When Fedor loses (it has to happen someday), it will most likely be from a standing strike. Out of any current heavyweight in MMA, CroCop has the best chance to accomplish this in a rematch. |
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| Triumph wrote: |
On paper, Chuck would be very problematic for Wanderlei though. Chuck is the best counterpuncher at 205 and moves very well around the cage/ring. If you had asked me a year ago or so, I would've said Silva all the way. But Wanderlei has not impressed in his last few fights (Arona x2, Fujita, Crocop (wow!). Wanderlei is showing age while Chuck seems to have gotten better in his late 30's (!). I see a TKO in favor of Liddell if that match happens in the near future. It most likely won't and if it ever does Chuck will be like 40. It's a shame.
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You don't give Silva enough credit. Arona is one of the best fighters in Brazilian Top Team. His only recent losses are to Silva and Shogun who are the top two guys from Chute Boxe.
In regards to Silva's recent fights. Fujita is a heavyweight and has fought some of the top guys like CroCop and Fedor throughout his career. CroCop is a devastating striker. Silva lost to Arona but also beat him. I agree that he's not the same fighter he was. However I wouldn't count guys like Silva out against anyone.
I think a Silva vs Chuck fight would be a good one. Even though Chuck is a deadly striker, he's not as big as CroCop and Silva was able to take several blows from CroCop before he went out. |
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Triumph
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Tark the Shark wrote: |
You don't give Silva enough credit. Arona is one of the best fighters in Brazilian Top Team. His only recent losses are to Silva and Shogun who are the top two guys from Chute Boxe.
In regards to Silva's recent fights. Fujita is a heavyweight and has fought some of the top guys like CroCop and Fedor throughout his career. CroCop is a devastating striker. Silva lost to Arona but also beat him. I agree that he's not the same fighter he was. However I wouldn't count guys like Silva out against anyone.
I think a Silva vs Chuck fight would be a good one. Even though Chuck is a deadly striker, he's not as big as CroCop and Silva was able to take several blows from CroCop before he went out. |
I'm aware of how good Arona and CroCop are. I'm not trying to discredit Wand at all. He's still an elite 205'er. He's a warrior just for stepping into the ring with guys like CroCop and Hunt. What I'm saying is that recently he hasn't been himself. And I'm not saying Chuck would destroy him or anything, it would be a good fight. I just think Chuck would win. It's not the cool answer I know ("PRIDE>UFC you TUF noob!"  ), but that's what I think.
The recent OWGP fight against CroCop was very disappointing. I know it's CroCop and all, but Wand hung with him in their first match. This time he got dominated. It was not close at all. I agree with the current MMAWeekly rankings with Chuck #1 and Shogun #2. |
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Thugnomoe
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I want them to add elbows to pride... |
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methdxman
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| Thugnomoe wrote: | | I want them to add elbows to pride... |
I think you can throw elbows as long as you wear elbow pads. (Elbows cause too many cuts) |
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Triumph
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Fedor vs. Mark Hunt for the title at Shockwave 06.
Don't see Fedor losing to Hunt so his undefeated streak should remain intact. Fedor is too smart to stand with Hunt for long. He'll clinch, get Hunt to the ground, and start working from there. Fedor by some kind of submission, probably armbar or kimura.
Good weekend of fights with Liddell/Ortiz 2 and Fedor/Hunt. |
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Ay Airkobe, me and you can take it outside right now and find out if it is you.  |
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| I'm just waiting to see what Denis Kang can do when he's at his best... |
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Who would win, Fedor versus Rosie O'Donnell? Tough call man.
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| F Snaq wrote: | | Who would win, Fedor versus Rosie O'Donnell? Tough call man. |
I don't think Manatees are allowed in Pride. |
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Triumph
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I cannot believe the week that the UFC has just had. First buying out WEC and WFA (which allows them to sign Rampage), and now signing Cro Cop!
A match between CroCop and Tim Sylvia along with a rematch for Chuck with Rampage are dream fights for any MMA fan.
The UFC just got a lot better. This is a big blow to PRIDE. |
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| Triumph wrote: | I cannot believe the week that the UFC has just had. First buying out WEC and WFA (which allows them to sign Rampage), and now signing Cro Cop!
A match between CroCop and Tim Sylvia along with a rematch for Chuck with Rampage are dream fights for any MMA fan.
The UFC just got a lot better. This is a big blow to PRIDE. |
I would hardly call a match between CroCop and Sylvia a dream matchup. It's going to be a slaughter. And besides, there's the very real possibility that Timmy won't even have the belt come February. |
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| VindicatioN wrote: | | Triumph wrote: | I cannot believe the week that the UFC has just had. First buying out WEC and WFA (which allows them to sign Rampage), and now signing Cro Cop!
A match between CroCop and Tim Sylvia along with a rematch for Chuck with Rampage are dream fights for any MMA fan.
The UFC just got a lot better. This is a big blow to PRIDE. |
I would hardly call a match between CroCop and Sylvia a dream matchup. It's going to be a slaughter. And besides, there's the very real possibility that Timmy won't even have the belt come February. |
Are you kidding me? You don't want to see CroCop knock Sylvia's head into the 15th row? What kind of fan are you? In all seriousness, I think CroCop is a much better fighter than Tim, but I don't think it would be a slaughter. Tim's size just poses problems for opponents even if they are superior to him.
I do think it's a dream fight from the perspective that fans want a top heavyweight to validate that division and CroCop can certainly do that for them by taking it from Sylvia. Tim is not a crowd pleaser anymore because he fights to hold onto the belt versus trying to knock opponents out now (Arlovski 3, Monson). He's doing the UFC a disservice by holding their heavyweight belt.
Come February? Are you referring to Brandon Vera? If so, I don't think he's going to beat Tim. He's a good fighter, but I think Tim's size advantage is going to prove too much. And from watching/reading interviews with him, he doesn't even seem to want that fight, at least not anytime soon. He's a strange dude. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:11 am Post subject: |
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I hate the elbows in UFC b/c they open up too many cuts and increase the chance of a BS stoppage in the fight. BTW Cro Cop would kill Tim
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The problem is always the grapple issues. Most martial arts that do not deal with grappling just flat out loses. Except in rare instances. Once instance was Bruce Lee where he was so damn fast that grappling him was extremely difficult.
Fedor might kick Bruce Lee's ass if he was grappled. The problem will be in trying to grapple him. There is a very low probability of him being grappled due to his quickness. But even if he is grappled, he does mixed martial arts, so there is a quick way for him to slip out of the grapple.
Good grapple->Fedor wins. No good grapple->Bruce wins. The issue will always be the grapple. |
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| Triumph wrote: | | VindicatioN wrote: | | Triumph wrote: | I cannot believe the week that the UFC has just had. First buying out WEC and WFA (which allows them to sign Rampage), and now signing Cro Cop!
A match between CroCop and Tim Sylvia along with a rematch for Chuck with Rampage are dream fights for any MMA fan.
The UFC just got a lot better. This is a big blow to PRIDE. |
I would hardly call a match between CroCop and Sylvia a dream matchup. It's going to be a slaughter. And besides, there's the very real possibility that Timmy won't even have the belt come February. |
Are you kidding me? You don't want to see CroCop knock Sylvia's head into the 15th row? What kind of fan are you? In all seriousness, I think CroCop is a much better fighter than Tim, but I don't think it would be a slaughter. Tim's size just poses problems for opponents even if they are superior to him.
I do think it's a dream fight from the perspective that fans want a top heavyweight to validate that division and CroCop can certainly do that for them by taking it from Sylvia. Tim is not a crowd pleaser anymore because he fights to hold onto the belt versus trying to knock opponents out now (Arlovski 3, Monson). He's doing the UFC a disservice by holding their heavyweight belt.
Come February? Are you referring to Brandon Vera? If so, I don't think he's going to beat Tim. He's a good fighter, but I think Tim's size advantage is going to prove too much. And from watching/reading interviews with him, he doesn't even seem to want that fight, at least not anytime soon. He's a strange dude. |
Of course I want to see Timmy get his head caved in, who doesn't! but i mean as far as a competitive match, which i doubt this will be. Timmy will give him some problems with his reach, but this isn't 5'8" Monson we're talking about. He'll work Timmy's legs, then his body, then BAM LHK, game over!
Yeah, Vera seems to be a strange dude, i've heard interviews with him where he doesn't sound like he wants a 5 round fight. We'll see how it pans out though, i give him a good shot at taking Timmy out. |
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| "Right kick, hospital....Left kick, morgue" -Crocop |
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I would have to say either Ryu or Ken. Urien is not that bad either. If Goku counts, he's probably the best ever.
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| Zhengi wrote: | | I would have to say either Ryu or Ken. Urien is not that bad either. If Goku counts, he's probably the best ever. |
Gohan would DOMINATE Goku. |
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