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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:20 am    Post subject: LAKERS -vs- GRIZZLIES - 7/8 - Thoughts and :-(( ratings

Jump to Conclusions Day... The first game of the SPL always seems to get swallowed up by folks making sweeping generalizations about players (both good and bad). One thing that cannot be denied... that cow has some skills. I'm sure the original Dancing Barry that used to rock the Forum in his white suit back in the '80s would have been proud.

The Lakers trudged through their first SPL game trying to get their offense in tune. They trailed big at times, but took a small lead late. A couple of key turnovers iced their fate as they fell to the Grizzlies 89-87 in front of a packed Pyramid crowd.


Bynum -- 8) -- Comparing Bynum's debut last season in the SPL to this year, there were several noticeable difference in his game. The first was his ability to get up and down the floor. Last SPL, Andrew was kind of huffing and puffing and lumbering up and down the court in transition. During the regular season, this was one of Phil's criticisms, even mentioning it in the Suns series, saying that Drew would probably be at half court by the time the Suns shot. Today, time and time again in his limited minutes, Bynum would be one of the first guys down court, changing ends with enough speed that it led to several fastbreak opportunities. In the first half, he missed a lob finish on the breakaway. He later followed up a Devin Green breakaway miss with a putback jam. In the second half, he finished an And-1 dunk off a breakaway feed by Farmar. Again down the floor quickly, he picked up FTs when he was fouled on an alley-oop attempt. And then Farmar and Bynum finally connected on another breakaway alley-oop dunk. When Bynum didn't have an advantage beating guys down the court, he'd look to quickly set up in the post, but often the ball wouldn't come and he'd have to vacate the lane and try to repost. Farmar found Bynum once when he changed ends like this with a nice post entry bounce pass and Andrew swished both FTs after drawing a foul. So, this aspect of Bynum's game was much improved. Hopefully, we will continue to see more of it throughout the SPL. He had one sequence where he swatted a shot in the lane and then was the first guy down the floor on the other end in transition. Very nice.

The second area that you could see a difference was in Bynum's strength. Last year, in the SPL and during the regular season, he had some difficulty finishing around the rim when he would take contact. There were a couple dunk finishes during this game that he wouldn't have made last year. His arms and legs (sporting the old school socks), looked more defined. However, he will still need to continue to put on muscle in order to overpower people. He had only a couple of genuine back-to-the-basket post up attempts as the offensive execution was fairly sad. He definitely drew attention as he tried to go to work, and unfortunately our cutters didn't know how to take advantage of this. (You could see Bynum giving his guys instructions with his head to cut down the lane, but they were clueless). On his first post up attempt, he overshot a little turnaround one hander from the right block. On a second post up attempt, he overpowered the first man but got swatted as he shot. During the regular season, Bynum was able to establish decent post position and get his jumphooks or find cutters. Why? Because the offensive execution and post entry passing was far superior. With the sloppy Tri execution in both this SPL and the last SPL, the post entry passes and looks were few and far between. If a team wants to take away our post, all they have to do is front it or send a double and the offense falls apart. Look for Bynum's post opportunities to increase as the team gets better at executing. I think Bynum still needs a couple more years of developing his body until he turns into a Kwame-like wall on the defensive end. However, if you saw him playing in the high school All Star games a couple months before the Lakers drafted him, you know that he's made some pretty amazing progress in that time.

The third difference to his game was that he played with more of a chip on his shoulder. In the first SPL, he was just trying to adapt to the size and speed of the game. Von Wafer commented last year that he was trying to get Bynum to play with more meanness out on the floor. It never really manifested itself. Although it was just one game (and Bynum could have just as easily been ticked off about the foul calls), he clearly had a bit more of an edge to his game. He had a couple strong finishes that he might have tried to put in softly last year. He was called for an offensive foul when he shed the opposing center to the floor while he was trying to fight for position. He challenged Warrick on an all-NBA confrontation in the air as Hakim was going to show off his athleticism and throw down ... Bynum met him up top and rejected the attempt. He was called for the foul, Rambis was livid wanting a clear-out on Warrick. The foul trouble Bynum got into (some cheapies) led to him only playing 20:26 of playing time and collecting 6 fouls.

In the end, Bynum finished with 12 points on 3-7 shooting and 5 boards. He sank 6-9 FTs and his stroke looked smoother than last time he played at the SPL. Hopefully, once the offensive execution clears up in a few games, we will get to see more of Bynum working in the post. We saw virtually none of that today.

Farmar -- -- The obvious thing about Farmar's game today was how well he was working off the ball or picking his spots. There was no ball domination, no excessive dribbling, just Farmar running the offense and picking his spots. At the end of the day, even though it was a quiet and smooth game from him, he still led all Lakers with 17 points on 5-9 shooting. He seemed to look a little more aggressive in the second half, where he scored 10 of his points. When the offense was scattered or moving in transition, you could see him assert himself a bit more. He attacked the paint more in the second half (again out of the offense, not being ball dominant) and his athleticism and ups allowed him to draw some FTs or get good looks. He stole a pass, used his body smartly to shield the man behind him and scored a layup. He attacked off the dribble, exploded and finished an And-1 layup. He attacked off the pinch post and drew FTs as he got hit going up for a jumper. He missed a three, cut down the lane, got a return feed and hit a pull-up jumper from 9 feet. In the second half, he scored a layup off a weakside Tri cut. He rebounded the ball, pushed the break up in traffic and fed Bynum with a bounce pass for an And-1 dunk. He attacked and drew FTs. He picked another spot in the offense and attacked the lane for FTs. Then, he made a rare, but nicely executed cut off the weakside pinch post...instead of going around the top, he cut back down the lane, got the pass from the highpost and drew FTs (very nice). In the fourth quarter, he missed a couple of very good looks at threes. He made another nice cut within the offense to get the feed from Douthit and score a layup.

Working with Bynum... he had a couple miscues and a couple great plays. He threw a crappy post entry to Bynum that was picked off easily. He also missed Andrew on a screen roll that would have been nice to see what Bynum would have done with it. On the good side, he found Bynum early in the offense for one of his few post attempts and it earned FTs. He hit Bynum with a bounce pass on a breakaway for a highlight And-1 score. And, he hooked up with him for an alley-oop on the break.

Miscues...he had an 8-second backcourt violation that was a result of running our two-guard front weakly by both him and Von. He also passed up a three and had the shotclock expire with the ball in his hands for another violation. This stuff will work itself out as the team learns the offense. Although it was just one game, Farmar's effeciency in the offense was nice to see. What I mean by efficiency is his ability to work off the ball, make cuts to get open, or when he had the ball to either quickly pass or seize an opportunity that he saw. This could prove to be very complimentary to our stars as he gets regular season playing time. His leadership, of course, could be seen from time to time on the court as he tried to organize the offense and get players on the same page. BShaw was instructing Farmar throughout the game.

Defensively, he does a good job closing out and challenging shots. One of the areas I always felt you could see his hops on was on his shot contesting...especially if he's tracking someone down. He ended up hustling for a key foul late in the game to save an easy basket. A lot of guards might not have been able to get up and knock away that breakaway. He drew a couple fouls 7 minutes into the game and had to sit, but didn't have any foul trouble later in the game. He didn't gamble for steals and tried to stay in front of his man or recover and did a decent job for the most part. He played under a lot of screens. I was really hoping to see a match up against Kyle Lowry, but he didn't play. So, for the most part, it wasn't really top-level competition. He has potential to get quite a bit better in this area, and one of the first things he mentioned after being drafted by the Lakers was working hard on the defensive end.

Pinnock -- -- Well, going into this game I was hoping Pinnock would surprise everyone with his play on both ends. I was also conscious to try not to project my pre-game hopes on my evaulation of his game as I watched. In the end, I thought his game did enough talking. Pinnock played very well on both ends of the floor. Defensively, he did a great job at times of contesting perimeter shots, even forcing one player to pass it away while in the air or get rejected. He stole the ball from Farmar's man as he was trying to take Farmar off the dribble. He knocked away a pass in transition D. He deflected another pass in the backcourt. In the second half, he had another good perimeter contest and got a piece of the ball. He hustled for a loose ball on an offensive board that went over the backboard and threw it off a defender to get us another possession. He doubled down on the post, avoided a foul when nearly coming down on the post player, then hustled back out to contest the jumper by his man. He couldn't pull down a key defensive board late in the game and then couldn't recover around a big to get out to a Memphis shooter and we gave up a big three. He was okay defensively on denying penetration and got beat off the dribble once trying to cheat on a screen. We'll keep an eye on this as the SPL goes along. It would be nice to see him matched up against a quick PG sometime. He spent a good chunk of time against Roberson in this game (Roberson went 6-15 for 12 points).

He got a very long run in the first half and he closed out the game instead of Wafer in the second half. In the first half, he hit a catch-and-shoot three from the wing. He passed up a three on a kickout, dribbled to the wing spot and hit a pull-up jumper. In the second half, he attacked off in the dribble in transition and drew FTs. He showed some great handles and reaction as his man reached for the ball, Pinnock spun the opposite way, reversing his dribble and hitting a pull-up jumper in the lane. He had a nice look under the hoop with a bullet pass from about 15 feet out to Horvath for a layup. Pinnock attacked the baseline, went up, pulled the ball down and brought it back up around the defender for a score. He attacked off the dribble, spun in the lane and finished an And-1 off the glass. He took an outlet at the end of the game, pushed it down court, rose up for a good look and bricked badly wide left at the buzzer.

Pinnock was tallied for a team-high 5 turnvoers in the game. On one, he ran into his own man as he tried to attack the lane and coughed it up (Tri miscue). Another was a call refs don't normally make, he got the ball poked loose when he exposed the dribble and the ref said Pinnock knocked it out of bounds (weak call). One turnover he caused, but didn't get called for as he didn't wait for a pick to get set before he took off and the bigman got called for a moving screen (that was Pinnock's mistake). OVerall, he seems much more adept at running the Tri or initiating the offense than Wafer is (even after a year of work). With just one game under his belt, Pinnock did a very solid job in the Tri. He's definitely got room to improve his read and reacts and cuts, but I wouldn't expect more at this point. He clearly outplayed Von, who had just 2 points on 1-6 shooting in this game. Consistency will be key, but this round definitely went to Pinnock. Pinnock scored 16 points on 6-9 shooting in 26:41 of action. He had 3 boards, 3 assists and 1 block.

Green -- -- Green played with a lot of activity on both ends and was rewarded with a team-high 35:44 of playing time. He led the team with 4 assists, had 7 points on 4-7 shooting and pulled down 4 boards (2 offensive). He sank a baseline jumper from 18 feet on his first attempt from the perimeter. He created off the dribble, got into the lane and kicked it out to Pinnock for a three. He sank another baseline jumper on his second perimeter attempt. He executed within the offense and set up Horvath for FTs with a nice feed. He cleaned up a miss by Wafer. He attacked the baseline off the dribble and drew a foul. His missed a contested 18-footer on his third perimeter attempt. He attacked off the dribble, drew FTs, made one and missed one. He got tagged for 3 turnovers. One was a drive into traffic where he lost the ball. One was a poor perimeter pass. Another was a key backcourt turnover after he did a great job hustling to recover a loose ball. Defensively, he hustled a ton, breaking up a transition play and whistled for a foul. He soared to knock away another alley-oop in transition. He matched up against Warrick on the defensive end and more than held his own. He stole the ball from Warrick on one play, pushed it up at high speed and missed, but Bynum was hustling to jam it back in. Warrick, the most talented Memphis player on the floor, finished with just 9 points on 4-11 shooting and 5 turnovers. Great all around game from Green, doing a lot of little things, hustling, and running the offense well on a day when we had clear problems getting it organized. The key for Green, of course, will be his outside shooting. Today, he did a solid job in that area. We will keep an eye on his perimeter shot to see if he has improved his consistency.

Douthit -- -- Marcus was putting together a solid game, showing his usual midrange jumper skills and turnarounds. In the last 30 seconds, he killed the Lakers on two key possessions. The first looked liked we were setting up a ball reversal to iso Bynum alone in the lane and Douthit had the ball knocked away. The second he dribble the ball into traffic with under 15 seconds left and had it swiped. He looks to be a little bigger size-wise, but not near strong enough...that will keep him from making the team. Douthit scored 14 points on 6-10 shooting and had 7 boards, 5 fouls and 3 turnovers in 33 minutes.

Wafer -- -- He scored his only points in six attempts on a dunk on a breakout early in the game. Von's handles looked improved from last year, but still seemed to be something he was thinking about while bringing the ball up the court. I remember a sequence from the SPL last year that I have described a few times since, and I think this maybe says what the biggest problem with Von's game is. It was the fifth game of the SPL last season and Von had just made a three. At a deadball, Rambis gave him some instructions about the offense and where Wafer should be. The next time down the court, Wafer took the ball to the spot on the floor Rambis described and clanked a three. Rambis smiled. Shortly later, Wafer took the ball to the same spot on the other side of the floor and sank a three. This time Rambis laughed. There was no Tri savvy and the plays didn't really come out of the offense, they were more forced on the offense. Von did catch fire in that game and played well on both ends. He will probably get on fire and have some decent games in the SPL, but what he needs to show is that Triangle savvy...the ability to work within the offense instead of around it. Farmar showed that efficiency tonight with his cuts away from the ball or his timely attacks into the paint. Pinnock and Green also showed much more Tri skills. Had the Lakers the ability to send Wafer to an NBDL that ran the Tri last year, that might have made a big difference. Who knows? They have their NBDL team now. Wafer lost the first challenge tonight for our limited roster space to both Green and Pinnock. He'll have to bounce back.

Everyone Else -- -- The rest of the team combined for 12 points. Marcus Slaughter looked active, but wasn't effective. Doron Perkins had 7 boards and hustled throughout. Not much else worth mentioning in this one.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:42 am    Post subject: Re: LAKERS -vs- GRIZZLIES - 7/8 - Thoughts and :-(( ratings

Outstanding! Thanks for the real scoop on the game. Looks like things are looking good!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject:

thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:50 am    Post subject:

good job db. thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:36 am    Post subject:

DB - Thanks and keep it up. Appreciate the report
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:01 am    Post subject:

sounds like wafer hasn't learnt anything...dude just seems undisciplined and still wants to shoot all the time, despite not having a good enough shot to earn the right.

i'm really hoping that bynum explodes this season, and that farmar proves to be an immediate contributor - between him, sasha and smush, we might just be able to get by at PG. but if shammond williams comes in, then who the heck makes way?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:03 am    Post subject:

I was really looking forward to this. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:18 am    Post subject:

Thanks for the in-depth report! Look forward to future ones!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:42 am    Post subject:

Thanks for the info.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:37 am    Post subject:

From your report, it sounds like Bynum's confidence is way up, too. By telling people where to be or when to cut (even if they didn't), it seems he is comfortable out there, more so than last year. Who knows, maybe with Tri-experienced players out there, he makes extra assists, gets more points since he set up for position, etc.

This makes me very excited about this season. Sure, there are still more SPL games to be played, but if this is a sign of things to come, maybe Bynum can play the backup at the C effectively.

We'll find out soon enough if he can play substantial minutes this year. Maybe not, as he will also be playing against much stronger opponents.

Thanks, DB.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:45 am    Post subject:

Nice.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:56 am    Post subject:

Was disappointed when work plans kept me from ahving time to hit SPL this eyar (AGAIN!), but my annoyance is eased knowing DB's on the job, too.

Thanks, DB! Owe you big time!

And way to go, Jordan. One more day the bashers are at bay...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:13 am    Post subject:

LOve you DB for this !

Thanks a lot - much appreciated.

If reports are accurate on Bynum - I think he will be ready to backup Kwame next season.

Farmar-Bynum plays are always great to read about. Those 2 guys need to make things work for the Lakers to succeed longterm.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:40 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB!

Do you take notes during the game? Your recall and ability to track the plays without a Tivo is damned remarkable.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:57 am    Post subject:

Thanks for the recap DB. Great read.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:58 am    Post subject:

DB, and anyone else, what do you think the coaching staff has to see during the summer (SPL and practices) so that Farmar gets any minutes this season (more so than Bynum got last year) and for Bynum to play a significant role? I know Farmar comes from a different background, actually playing in the NCAA, but he is still a rookie learning to get a feel for the triangle.

And anyone else who knows, do these rookies get a triangle playbook from day one, like NFL players do, or are they expected to learn the system during practice? I am just curious how soon after being drafted Farmar got introduced to the triangle?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:16 am    Post subject:

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...And way to go, Jordan. One more day the bashers are at bay...



Well, not fully. He bricked a few (I think three) 3 pointers today. "He can't shoot! He can't shoot!!"
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:43 am    Post subject:

Great Job! Thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:57 am    Post subject:

I was a bit worried in the warm ups before the game, because I don't think I saw Farmar hit one mid or 3pt shot, clank after clank. So I'm not surprised that he was getting most of his pts from driving in and drawing fouls and such.

Right now, he looks like he might be able to get 5-10 minutes of real NBA time and not do any damage. But breaking into the rotation is out until he develops a jump shot. (How was he in college? Are we just seeing nerves?)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:03 am    Post subject:

Hot damn, DB! All this without the aid of Tivo?!

I agree with your assessments, but you might be a bit more optimistic on Bynum than I am.

A few things:

You mentioned the speed of the game last last year compared to this one. I still see this as a major issue for him. He takes so long when he receives the ball in the post. Some of it (as you mentioned) is looking for cutters, but the majority of it doesn't appear to be calm deliberation; rather it looks like frazzled indecision. I suppose his back to the basket repertoire will be the last part of his game that fully comes around, but I was watching for a more determined player, one who caught the entry, spun/ made his move, and went hard to the hole. I didn't see anything like that.

Also, despite the added strength (which appears to be considerable), he was still getting balls ripped from his hands, and most glaringly, the new muscle doesn't seem to have translated into more explosiveness. Granted, he did have that one angry putback, but too often he was struggling to get the ball up through a couple of defenders that I'd hoped he'd be shedding by now. Again, he's only 18, but nonetheless, this is what I saw.

On the good side, he most definitely was able to hold low block position light years beyond what he could do last year. Last summer he was getting shoved out 20' away from the basket. He wasn't having any of that yesterday (though it bears mention that he played most of the game against a soft Euroflopper), and that's where his new bulk seems to really make a difference: His post base is now much more Shaq than Keith Closs (who looked worthless in that preceding free agent game).

Right on, on Pinnock. Based on the reports, even though he was connecting I would still be suspect of his jumper (he has a funky, shot-put form), but his "D" was nice. He even handled alright, though I'm curious why he did so much of it when either Farmar or Perkins was on the floor. To me he was the Lakers best player out there. Energetic, serious, and in addition to taking Von Wafer's second half minutes, he may have stolen his title as the Lakers 'layup line dink king'. Man, can he jump. Tony Bobbitt, make room for Von Wafer; Von Wafer, make way for J.R. Pinnock. BTW, is it pronounced PINNuck, or pinnAHK? The P.A. guy kept saying the latter.

Dag, just realized what time it is, gotta get down to Long Beach.

BTW II: Is it okay to complain about refs and coaching in the summer league? Those refs made the first half unbearable, and Rambis? Since when do you get 12 deep into the rotation 9 minutes into a game in the SPL. No fouling out out in the summer league Kurt- let your starters (Bynum) get that burn. The most curious though was when he yanked Andrew on that defensive possession immediately after the Lakers took the lead with 40 sec left, which led to two offensive rebounds for Memphis and the eventual 3 pointer by Carlos Powell to seal the game for good. Stay away from the head coaches seat, Kurt. Hey, if we can critique the players for their SPL perfromance, why not the coach? And that "Urkel" referee... Aargh. Much love to the cow though, and Vic The Brick is nice dude in real life too.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:10 am    Post subject:

scotter wrote:
I was a bit worried in the warm ups before the game, because I don't think I saw Farmar hit one mid or 3pt shot, clank after clank.


I saw him hit a lot of threes in warmups, especially from the right wing, but he didn't come close during the game. He just doesn't have legit NBA three 'game' range yet, and he's got the classic diagonal to the floor shooting elbow too. It'll come. My biggest thing with him was picking up his dribble in the backcourt. Yikes. I'd never have expected that out of him.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:24 am    Post subject:

DB, as usual -- thanks for the great analysis! much better and informative than the LA Times

glad to hear that Bynum is *developing* his game. he's more comfortable with the offense and it's showing on-court, I really hope this continues to develop throughout the SPL and into the regular season. I'm also thrilled to hear that his conditioning has improved.

as for farmar -- thanks for emphasizing that it was the offense that dictated his play. so the lakers don't need a true pg for the triangle...but it makes it so much easier if our pg fits into what the triangle needs...and it's sounding like farmar could be that guy -- eventually.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:57 am    Post subject:

DB in mid season form for the pre-season. Way to go DB!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:17 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB! It's a very informative analysis.

The rookies seem to be doing quite well, so far. Let's hope they continue to progress.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:05 pm    Post subject:

Awesome to read all this DB, I was waiting for a extensive report like this.
By your report, it sounds like everyone important play solidly, with the exception on Von.

I am going on tuesday and I hope to see more post play than what has been described.
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