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Hassan Adams.. Hassan Adams.. Hassan Adams (maybe if I wish hard enough)
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Mike,
Where do you think James White will fall in the draft. Do you think he would be a reach at the 26th?
Also what about Leon Powe at 46th?
And (God forbid) if we get the 9th pick, Rojan Rando or Ronnie Brewer. |
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methticaL
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| i hope the lakers get the UConn PG. Smush would be a great backup pg, but def. not the starter type. Marcus williams i think is the best we can get, hes def. a stud, prolly the closest thing to jason kidd. |
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| LakerLove wrote: | | I like Guillermo Diaz I heard he has a near 50" vertical. |
Get outta here! No way. Seriously? 50!?! |
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B_Rabbit1212
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| ^it's way up there. He is a converted volleyball player if I'm not mistaken. |
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NestT
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| LakerJam wrote: | | LakerLove wrote: | | I like Guillermo Diaz I heard he has a near 50" vertical. |
Get outta here! No way. Seriously? 50!?! |
50 was claimed out of Puerto Rico in his High School days.
At the U, 45 is claimed.
We shall see at pre-draft Chicago .
He can jump like Vincanity though. |
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CollegeHoops.net Current Mock Draft
http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/Draft/mockdraft.htm
First Round
1 Adam Morrison
2 Rudy Gay
3 LaMarcus Aldridge
4 Shawne Williams
5 Andrea Bargnani
6 Tiago Splitter
7 JJ Redick
8 Rodney Carney
9 Ronnie Brewer
10 Rajon Rondo
11 Daniel Gibson
12 Tyrus Thomas
13 Maurice Ager
14 Rudy Fernandez
15 Hassan Adams
16 Richard Roby
17 Shelden Williams
18 Paul Millsap
19 Marcus Vinicius
20 Randy Foye
21 Marco Belinelli
22 Brandon Roy
23 Hilton Armstrong
24 Marko Thomas
25 Josh Boone
26 Marco Killingsworth
27 Paul Davis
28 Matt Haryasz
29 Nick Fazekas
30 Guillermo Diaz
2nd Round
31 Mike Gansey
32 Taj Gray
33 Kevin Pittsnogle
34 Mardy Collins
35 Dee Brown
36 James White
37 V.Veremeenko
38 Al Thornton
39 Denham Brown
40 Craig Smith
41 Damir Markota
42 Rashad Anderson
43 Ivan Chiriev
44 Steven Smith
45 Kosta Perovic
46 Louis Amundson
47 Allan Ray
48 Thabo Sefolosha
49 Steve Novak
50 Matias Sandes
51 Terrell Everett
52 Taquan Dean
53 JP Batista
54 Curtis Withers
55 Justin Williams
56 Yemi Nicholson
57 Bobby Jones
58 Torin Francis
59 Pops Mensah-Bonsu
60 James Augustine |
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Mr. EiGhTy-OnE
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i wanted Dee Brown last year and i still want him this year
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Mr. EiGhTy-OnE
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i'll settle for Pittsnogle though
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ArrOhBee
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i wanna see the lakers trade up and pick up JJ Reddick!!!
WOOOHAAA! how bout them cowboys!?!?!?!
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| How about Brandon Heath from SDSU. He is a great scorer and ball handler. He is an unselfish combo guard who is one of the best players no one knows about. |
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| NestT wrote: | This is my draft board as of right now. We have the 26th and 46th pick. Things can and will change after the tourny.
1) Adam Morrison
2) LeMarcus Aldridge
3) Rudy Gay
4) Rodney Carney
5) Tyrus Thomas
6) Andrea Bargnani
7) Sheldon Williams
8) Shawn Williams
9) Rajon Rando
10) Ronnie Brewer
11) Tiago Splitter
12) Randy Foye
13) J.J. Redick
14) Hilton Armstrong
15) Mardy Collins
16) Josh Boone
17) Taj Gray
18) Guillermo Diaz
19) Darius Washington
20) Daniel Gibson
21) Marko Tomas
22) Jordan Farmar
23) Maurice Ager
24) Richard Roby
25) Taquan Dean
26) Marcus Williams
27) Paul Davis
28) Marcus Vinicus
29) Paul Millsap
30) Hassan Adams
At least one of those guys will be available for the first round and maybe another for the second round. If not my break in case of emergency second round list is ......
31) James White
32) Allan Ray
33) Brandon Roy
34) Bobby Brown
35) Quincy Douby
36) Matt Haryasz
37) Marco Killingsworth
38) Mike Gansey
39) Pops Mensah-Bonsu
40) Ivan Chiriaev
41) Terrell Everett
42) Curtis Stinson
43) Gerry McNamara
44) Rudy Fernandez
45) Dee Brown
46) Nick Fazekas |
if the lakers could get fazekas in the second round that would be awesome. i like marcus williams too. |
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ishi331
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| Arron Afflalo or Jordan Farmar when they enter. Bruin homerism, yes! |
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| Quote: | Both Mason and Jefferson are about 225 lbs. Hassan is about 200 lbs.
Big difference. |
Both 210 out of College.
| Quote: | | Jefferson is closer to 6'7" than 6'4". Mason is closer to 6'5". |
And my statement was with Mason. Does he not play SF with the Hornets? Hasn't he played SF for the Sonics as well alongside Ray Allen?
Now you know how weak the draft is. Mason shot 40% behind the arc in college but as you can tell, that doesn't always translate to NBA level perimeter shooting.
Doesn't mean that Mason isn't a quality pick for a low 20s. He's got the reach and athletic ability to make up for it, unlike... Kareem Rush.
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| straylight wrote: | What do people think of Marcus Williams? I watched the UConn Villanova game and while Rudy gay got shut down Marcus williams was doing a real good job controlling the tempo, making nice passes. I know he has character questions, but.... I'd prefer Dee Brown or Ager, and I wasn't paying much attention to Williams' defense.
also, that rashad anderson kid can shoot.
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Something about Williams rubs me the wrong way. I was expecting more out of him since his frosh year and all I see is that mid-speed transition game... no stellar perimeter shooting, no stellar quickness, no breakout speed.
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| hawshark wrote: | Our biggest need is an INITIATOR ( = big athletic combo guard in Phil's ideal world) and a post scorer.
There aren't a lot of good post scorers in this draft. That will have to come via trade.
So for the draft---
If we move up:
Ronnie Brewer or Mardy Collins
Or:
Marcus Vinicius
Here's some info on Vinicius:
Marcus Vinicius
Small Forward (Rank: #71) | 6-9, 215 | Age: 21
Brazil (Sao Paulo, Brazil)
View Prospects By: Top 100 | Name | Position | School/Country See Also: NBA Team | NBA Draft History
Draft Projection: Late first round to second round
Notes: Plays for Sao Carlos in Brazil. Averaging 19.5 ppg and 4.5 apg in 35 mpg this season but lately has been scoring at a much higher clip. He had a 32 point, 9 rebound and 6 assist game on November 29 and a 32 point, 8 rebound, 7 assist game on November 13. His agent, Michael Coyne, hired Bob Donewald (a former Cavs and Hornets assistant coach under Paul Silas) to oversee Vinicius' training and coaching in Brazil. Donewald has Vinicius lifting every day and is teaching him pro offensive and defensive sets in an effort to prepare him for the NBA. Vinicius (formerly known as Marcus Vinicius Viera de Souza) declared for the 2005 NBA draft but withdrew his name after not getting a first-round guarantee.
Positives: Vinicius has the skills to be an NBA player. He's a long, athletic small forward with a great jump shot. He has excellent ball-handling skills. His handle has improved to the point that he's currently playing point guard full time for his team in Brazil. According to Donewald, he's especially difficult to handle in the open court. Several scouts, after seeing him in Brazil, are projecting him as a potential point forward in the pros.
Negatives: In the past, scouts have been concerned about his lack of strength and some major defensive shortcomings. In previous seasons, his lack of strength affected his ability to play in the paint and finish around the basket. However, Vinicius has bulked up from 190 to 215 over the past year. However, he's still at least 10 to 15 pounds away from being strong enough to play in the league.
Summary: There was some buzz on Vinicius last year after some solid play in Italy, but he's really getting interest this year. The fact that Donewald is teaching him pro offensive and defensive sets, letting him play point guard and getting him on a legit strength and conditioning program have piqued everyone's interest. A few of the scouts Insider talked to who have seen him recently say the improvement is dramatic. While he's a second rounder at the moment, he has the potential, with strong workouts and continued improvement, to work his way into the first round. He's got the raw tools to be a legit prospect.
See also:
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1206 |
I think the hole at initiator is as big as the one at C. If we move up as high to get Brewer, why not go for Sheldon Williams?
Also, I'd rather just have the guy play SF. I would rather have a bonafide PG with some intangible skills of leadership, floor vision, etc. Jordan Farmar fits that well, even if I don't trust his D, that'd be a steal for the Lakers.
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| With a 2nd rounder... J. P. Batista... another solid (I personally think at least at the college level better) big man from Gonzaga. He's 6'9 yet is a healthy 270 on him. I think the Lakers could use a bigman who doesn't get pushed off the block. He also has great touch on his shots... He's solid at mid ranges like most GU guys are... but has the bulk to be a force inside. |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: | Both Mason and Jefferson are about 225 lbs. Hassan is about 200 lbs.
Big difference. |
Both 210 out of College. |
Is that not 10 lbs more than Hassan?
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| Quote: | | Jefferson is closer to 6'7" than 6'4". Mason is closer to 6'5". |
And my statement was with Mason. Does he not play SF with the Hornets? Hasn't he played SF for the Sonics as well alongside Ray Allen?
Now you know how weak the draft is. Mason shot 40% behind the arc in college but as you can tell, that doesn't always translate to NBA level perimeter shooting.
Doesn't mean that Mason isn't a quality pick for a low 20s. He's got the reach and athletic ability to make up for it, unlike... Kareem Rush. |
So you want to look at the smallest SFs that have made it in the league and draft an even smaller 3?
With less perimeter skills?
PJ and the Lakers are going to go from going for big guards to drafting small SFs?
So if Muggsy Bogues can make at 5'3" therefore we should draft a 5'2" PG that is an athletic freak? |
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| GonzagaAlum wrote: | | With a 2nd rounder... J. P. Batista... another solid (I personally think at least at the college level better) big man from Gonzaga. He's 6'9 yet is a healthy 270 on him. I think the Lakers could use a bigman who doesn't get pushed off the block. He also has great touch on his shots... He's solid at mid ranges like most GU guys are... but has the bulk to be a force inside. |
He is an older(Senior),smart,high bb IQ player that severely lacks in speed and athleticisim.
Perfect match for PJ.
We do have one player that does not get pushed around on the low block,Kwame,but I guess we could use another.
I really think he is too slow to play PF in the NBA and too short to play C at the pro level.
Shorter 5s that have made it in the league have been great leapers.JP is not a great leaper.
I dunno. Maybe a career backup C? |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | hawshark wrote: | Our biggest need is an INITIATOR ( = big athletic combo guard in Phil's ideal world) and a post scorer.
There aren't a lot of good post scorers in this draft. That will have to come via trade.
So for the draft---
If we move up:
Ronnie Brewer or Mardy Collins
Or:
Marcus Vinicius
Here's some info on Vinicius:
Marcus Vinicius
Small Forward (Rank: #71) | 6-9, 215 | Age: 21
Brazil (Sao Paulo, Brazil)
View Prospects By: Top 100 | Name | Position | School/Country See Also: NBA Team | NBA Draft History
Draft Projection: Late first round to second round
Notes: Plays for Sao Carlos in Brazil. Averaging 19.5 ppg and 4.5 apg in 35 mpg this season but lately has been scoring at a much higher clip. He had a 32 point, 9 rebound and 6 assist game on November 29 and a 32 point, 8 rebound, 7 assist game on November 13. His agent, Michael Coyne, hired Bob Donewald (a former Cavs and Hornets assistant coach under Paul Silas) to oversee Vinicius' training and coaching in Brazil. Donewald has Vinicius lifting every day and is teaching him pro offensive and defensive sets in an effort to prepare him for the NBA. Vinicius (formerly known as Marcus Vinicius Viera de Souza) declared for the 2005 NBA draft but withdrew his name after not getting a first-round guarantee.
Positives: Vinicius has the skills to be an NBA player. He's a long, athletic small forward with a great jump shot. He has excellent ball-handling skills. His handle has improved to the point that he's currently playing point guard full time for his team in Brazil. According to Donewald, he's especially difficult to handle in the open court. Several scouts, after seeing him in Brazil, are projecting him as a potential point forward in the pros.
Negatives: In the past, scouts have been concerned about his lack of strength and some major defensive shortcomings. In previous seasons, his lack of strength affected his ability to play in the paint and finish around the basket. However, Vinicius has bulked up from 190 to 215 over the past year. However, he's still at least 10 to 15 pounds away from being strong enough to play in the league.
Summary: There was some buzz on Vinicius last year after some solid play in Italy, but he's really getting interest this year. The fact that Donewald is teaching him pro offensive and defensive sets, letting him play point guard and getting him on a legit strength and conditioning program have piqued everyone's interest. A few of the scouts Insider talked to who have seen him recently say the improvement is dramatic. While he's a second rounder at the moment, he has the potential, with strong workouts and continued improvement, to work his way into the first round. He's got the raw tools to be a legit prospect.
See also:
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1206 |
I think the hole at initiator is as big as the one at C. If we move up as high to get Brewer, why not go for Sheldon Williams?
Also, I'd rather just have the guy play SF. I would rather have a bonafide PG with some intangible skills of leadership, floor vision, etc. Jordan Farmar fits that well, even if I don't trust his D, that'd be a steal for the Lakers. |
I think the Lakers see their future at the C position in Kwame and Bynum. Mihm will likely be moved in the offseason. Kwame plays better in the tri from the C position.
I completely agree w/ wanting a true PG . . . However, history tells us that with Phil that's just not going to happen (unfortunately). We've always had a "non-traditional PG" play the initiator position under Phil in players who are either combo guards (Smush), best third guards (Fisher) or converted SG's (Harper).
Mardy Collins would likely be the closest we could get to a "true" PG in this draft for Phil's liking. . .
Both Farmer and Affalo have said their coming back to UCLA next year -- so we can scratch them off any wish lists. |
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So you want to look at the smallest SFs that have made it in the league and draft an even smaller 3?
With less perimeter skills?
PJ and the Lakers are going to go from going for big guards to drafting small SFs?
So if Muggsy Bogues can make at 5'3" therefore we should draft a 5'2" PG that is an athletic freak? |
First of all, the Bogues comparison is absurd. Hassan isn't a 1ft. shorter than his competition by position.
Second of all, unlike James White, he's actually shown he can play both ends of the floor. White may be a better athlete and 6'7" with some wingspan, but that doesn't mean I can count on any kind of consistency at both ends of the floor. Hell, I think Adams is stronger than White.
I'm looking for guys with good size, very good athleticism, who can play both ends of the floor. I simply put him on my list of players because he qualifies.
Are there going to be better prospects at the 1st round pick? That is yet to be seen. It's 4 months until the draft.
Yeesh, even GMs, scouts, and assistant coaches don't make mock drafts. They just make a list of players they like.
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I want a UCONN big Bad...Armstrong or Boone
Both possess the intangibles that compliment the Tri. Not to mention INSIDE PRESENCE!!! |
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| YOUTHmovement wrote: | I want a UCONN big Bad...Armstrong or Boone
Both possess the intangibles that compliment the Tri. Not to mention INSIDE PRESENCE!!! |
I liked both of the UConn bigs in the Villanova game, and would be happy to get either one. However, both lack outside shooting or even a mid-range game which is critical for a tri-PF. Why do you think cook has been starting lately? Rather just sign or trade Eddie Griffin, who is cook with shot-blocking, rebounding, a bit more size and a somewhat slower release.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | straylight wrote: | What do people think of Marcus Williams? I watched the UConn Villanova game and while Rudy gay got shut down Marcus williams was doing a real good job controlling the tempo, making nice passes. I know he has character questions, but.... I'd prefer Dee Brown or Ager, and I wasn't paying much attention to Williams' defense.
also, that rashad anderson kid can shoot.
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Something about Williams rubs me the wrong way. I was expecting more out of him since his frosh year and all I see is that mid-speed transition game... no stellar perimeter shooting, no stellar quickness, no breakout speed. |
Yeah I was mostly trying to watch Boone and just caught Williams out of the corner of my eye due to his nice play. I think he'd be a heady initiator, but yeah the speed and shooting are a concern
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