I don't think Murray moves the needle for us if we trade him for Russell, but if they are willing to take Reaves + Fino + pick for Murray it's borderline negligence for Pelinka to not do that deal. Swapping out Reaves for Murray absolutely moves the needle for this team by giving us a good defender at the PG position which we've been lacking since Fisher.
Lol so you want to give up AR who is on good contract value wise and give away his clutch ability and killer instinct that our team will direly need by playoff comes . And keep the flight risk who always fail to show up when it matters. LMAo
Murray is a 2-way starting-caliber player. AR can get played off the floor, and, honestly, shouldn't be more than a 6th man on any team that's supposed to have actual championship ambitions. People are letting their love for Reaves to blind them to the fact that he's not on Murray's level. Any other team's fanbase would say the Lakers are crazy for not trading Reaves for Murray.
This. He's a good player but completely at a ceiling of 6th man. Don't know why ppl react so strongly at the idea of trying to find/upgrade/replace him with a more legit starter (preferably a 2-way player).
Management of assets alone, AR have positive value (as reported, teams want him). He’s not untouchable but the only way Lakers should trade him is to a No brainer. Dlo and his contract situation is a liability. And Dlo does not have another gear like AR does.
I don't think Murray moves the needle for us if we trade him for Russell, but if they are willing to take Reaves + Fino + pick for Murray it's borderline negligence for Pelinka to not do that deal. Swapping out Reaves for Murray absolutely moves the needle for this team by giving us a good defender at the PG position which we've been lacking since Fisher.
Lol so you want to give up AR who is on good contract value wise and give away his clutch ability and killer instinct that our team will direly need by playoff comes . And keep the flight risk who always fail to show up when it matters. LMAo
If Reaves doesn't pick up his defense he will 100% be a massive liability come playoff time. One of the worst defenders in the league atm
On the list of worst defensive impact per EPM Branham, who is atrocious, is the only reason Reaves wasn't listed as the worst
I don't think Murray moves the needle for us if we trade him for Russell, but if they are willing to take Reaves + Fino + pick for Murray it's borderline negligence for Pelinka to not do that deal. Swapping out Reaves for Murray absolutely moves the needle for this team by giving us a good defender at the PG position which we've been lacking since Fisher.
Lol so you want to give up AR who is on good contract value wise and give away his clutch ability and killer instinct that our team will direly need by playoff comes . And keep the flight risk who always fail to show up when it matters. LMAo
If Reaves doesn't pick up his defense he will 100% be a massive liability come playoff time. One of the worst defenders in the league atm
On the list of worst defensive impact per EPM Branham, who is atrocious, is the only reason Reaves wasn't listed as the worst
Reaves is a cult favorite but his play has been poor all year. Was targeted in the FIBA tournament also.
The difference between AR and Dlo is the clutch ability.
They're both clutch.
Lol never a fan of highlights but that was great Dlo moment and I enjoyed that comeback. First time I’ve seen him coming up with big shots in the playoff. I wish Dlo can actually do it consistently if he still a Laker after the deadline.
This is for the "the backcourt just isn't good enough defensively" people that ignore that Prince is dragging the group down.
@Trevor_Lane
The DLo-Reaves-Vando-LeBron-Davis group currently has a Def Rtg of 88.9, which would be the best in the NBA by a HUGE margin (number 1 is MIN at 109), though it's unsustainable & a product of small sample size w/ just 32 minutes played as a group
Still, that's a crazy number.
The next-best Def Rtg of groups that have played at least 30 min is DLo-Prince-Cam-Rui-Davis at 104.1, then DLo-Prince-Christie-LeBron-Davis at 105.3
Kamenetzky Brothers
@KamBrothers
One of the takeaways here: A core tenet of defensive integrity for the Lakers is… the presence of D’Angelo Russell. AK #StrangeButTrue
"Isn’t it crazy how DLO is in every lineup with he best defensive rating but darvin ham really benched him for a whole month for defensive purposes and our defense plummeted?"
Looks like we ARE good enough... but Ham refuses to play the lineups that the analytics tell him are the best. Because he'd rather stick to what doesn't work, than admit he's wrong. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Looks like we ARE good enough... but Ham refuses to play the lineups that the analytics tell him are the best. Because he'd rather stick to what doesn't work, than admit he's wrong.
OKC, Minnesota, and the Clippers all got way better, Denver is still Denver, and the Pelicans have Zion back healthy. Too many teams have greatly improved, and the Lakers are not good enough as currently constructed.
This is for the "the backcourt just isn't good enough defensively" people that ignore that Prince is dragging the group down.
@Trevor_Lane
The DLo-Reaves-Vando-LeBron-Davis group currently has a Def Rtg of 88.9, which would be the best in the NBA by a HUGE margin (number 1 is MIN at 109), though it's unsustainable & a product of small sample size w/ just 32 minutes played as a group
Still, that's a crazy number.
The next-best Def Rtg of groups that have played at least 30 min is DLo-Prince-Cam-Rui-Davis at 104.1, then DLo-Prince-Christie-LeBron-Davis at 105.3
Kamenetzky Brothers
@KamBrothers
One of the takeaways here: A core tenet of defensive integrity for the Lakers is… the presence of D’Angelo Russell. AK #StrangeButTrue
"Isn’t it crazy how DLO is in every lineup with he best defensive rating but darvin ham really benched him for a whole month for defensive purposes and our defense plummeted?"
Looks like we ARE good enough... but Ham refuses to play the lineups that the analytics tell him are the best. Because he'd rather stick to what doesn't work, than admit he's wrong.
Some of you are in denial. The issue with our defense has and will always be Reaves.
He's getting abused and picked on against every team with a halfway athletic SG or SF.
Twl other overlooked issues are Bron's sporadic effort on defense and our utter dependence on AD. Those can be resolved by a DFS and Drummond trade.
The smart move would be to send him for Murray and keep DLo. Then moving Rui for DFS and a 2nd. Lastly flip a few 2nds and spare parts for Drummond
This is for the "the backcourt just isn't good enough defensively" people that ignore that Prince is dragging the group down.
@Trevor_Lane
The DLo-Reaves-Vando-LeBron-Davis group currently has a Def Rtg of 88.9, which would be the best in the NBA by a HUGE margin (number 1 is MIN at 109), though it's unsustainable & a product of small sample size w/ just 32 minutes played as a group
Still, that's a crazy number.
The next-best Def Rtg of groups that have played at least 30 min is DLo-Prince-Cam-Rui-Davis at 104.1, then DLo-Prince-Christie-LeBron-Davis at 105.3
Kamenetzky Brothers
@KamBrothers
One of the takeaways here: A core tenet of defensive integrity for the Lakers is… the presence of D’Angelo Russell. AK #StrangeButTrue
"Isn’t it crazy how DLO is in every lineup with he best defensive rating but darvin ham really benched him for a whole month for defensive purposes and our defense plummeted?"
Looks like we ARE good enough... but Ham refuses to play the lineups that the analytics tell him are the best. Because he'd rather stick to what doesn't work, than admit he's wrong.
Some of you are in denial. The issue with our defense has and will always be Reaves.
He's getting abused and picked on against every team with a halfway athletic SG or SF.
Twl other overlooked issues are Bron's sporadic effort on defense and our utter dependence on AD. Those can be resolved by a DFS and Drummond trade.
The smart move would be to send him for Murray and keep DLo. Then moving Rui for DFS and a 2nd. Lastly flip a few 2nds and spare parts for Drummond
DLo
Murray
Vando
Bron
AD
Vincent
DFS
Reddish
Drummond
Christie
Wood
I think you may be in denial that our defensive issues are due to more than a single player.
Reaves
Russell
Lebron
Rui
Wood
Prince
Ham
Hayes
You people need to stop blaming all our problems on one single player. This is ridiculous.
This is for the "the backcourt just isn't good enough defensively" people that ignore that Prince is dragging the group down.
@Trevor_Lane
The DLo-Reaves-Vando-LeBron-Davis group currently has a Def Rtg of 88.9, which would be the best in the NBA by a HUGE margin (number 1 is MIN at 109), though it's unsustainable & a product of small sample size w/ just 32 minutes played as a group
Still, that's a crazy number.
The next-best Def Rtg of groups that have played at least 30 min is DLo-Prince-Cam-Rui-Davis at 104.1, then DLo-Prince-Christie-LeBron-Davis at 105.3
Kamenetzky Brothers
@KamBrothers
One of the takeaways here: A core tenet of defensive integrity for the Lakers is… the presence of D’Angelo Russell. AK #StrangeButTrue
"Isn’t it crazy how DLO is in every lineup with he best defensive rating but darvin ham really benched him for a whole month for defensive purposes and our defense plummeted?"
Looks like we ARE good enough... but Ham refuses to play the lineups that the analytics tell him are the best. Because he'd rather stick to what doesn't work, than admit he's wrong.
Some of you are in denial. The issue with our defense has and will always be Reaves.
He's getting abused and picked on against every team with a halfway athletic SG or SF.
Twl other overlooked issues are Bron's sporadic effort on defense and our utter dependence on AD. Those can be resolved by a DFS and Drummond trade.
The smart move would be to send him for Murray and keep DLo. Then moving Rui for DFS and a 2nd. Lastly flip a few 2nds and spare parts for Drummond
DLo
Murray
Vando
Bron
AD
Vincent
DFS
Reddish
Drummond
Christie
Wood
I think you may be in denial that our defensive issues are due to more than a single player.
Reaves
Russell
Lebron
Rui
Wood
Prince
Ham
Hayes
You people need to stop blaming all our problems on one single player. This is ridiculous.
Reaves is a part of every lowest ranking defensive efficiency lineup. At this point some of you arent Lakers fans you're Austin Revaes fans.
This is for the "the backcourt just isn't good enough defensively" people that ignore that Prince is dragging the group down.
@Trevor_Lane
The DLo-Reaves-Vando-LeBron-Davis group currently has a Def Rtg of 88.9, which would be the best in the NBA by a HUGE margin (number 1 is MIN at 109), though it's unsustainable & a product of small sample size w/ just 32 minutes played as a group
Still, that's a crazy number.
The next-best Def Rtg of groups that have played at least 30 min is DLo-Prince-Cam-Rui-Davis at 104.1, then DLo-Prince-Christie-LeBron-Davis at 105.3
Kamenetzky Brothers
@KamBrothers
One of the takeaways here: A core tenet of defensive integrity for the Lakers is… the presence of D’Angelo Russell. AK #StrangeButTrue
"Isn’t it crazy how DLO is in every lineup with he best defensive rating but darvin ham really benched him for a whole month for defensive purposes and our defense plummeted?"
Looks like we ARE good enough... but Ham refuses to play the lineups that the analytics tell him are the best. Because he'd rather stick to what doesn't work, than admit he's wrong.
Some of you are in denial. The issue with our defense has and will always be Reaves.
He's getting abused and picked on against every team with a halfway athletic SG or SF.
Twl other overlooked issues are Bron's sporadic effort on defense and our utter dependence on AD. Those can be resolved by a DFS and Drummond trade.
The smart move would be to send him for Murray and keep DLo. Then moving Rui for DFS and a 2nd. Lastly flip a few 2nds and spare parts for Drummond
DLo
Murray
Vando
Bron
AD
Vincent
DFS
Reddish
Drummond
Christie
Wood
I think you may be in denial that our defensive issues are due to more than a single player.
Reaves
Russell
Lebron
Rui
Wood
Prince
Ham
Hayes
You people need to stop blaming all our problems on one single player. This is ridiculous.
That group of players you named
Reaves = - 4.1
Dlo = +1.9
Bron = +1.9
Rui = +3.1
Wood = + 0.8
Prince = -5.1
Ham = Dumbass
Hayes = -7.3
The team suffers when Reaves is on the floor and hunted. To be exact on the year, he’s a -2.5 at the point guard spot (49% his time) and he’s a -5.2 at the sg spot in terms of his differential. He’s not played well and he’s a weak starter. He’s gotten called out on TNT, ESPN, Gil’s Arena and FS1 for teams hunting him this year
Ham compounds AR with a weaker defender in Prince. Prince is also a weaker rebounder. He’s the main guy in the rotation who is a negative, the worst starter but plays the third most minutes on the team and has started every game since preseason. For a breakdown Prince has spent 25% his time at SG and is -7.1. For the sf spot he’s spent 71% his time at he’s a -4.6. And for the PF spot with the rest of his time he’s a -10.9 when he slides there.
You know how you improve the team, improve the defense and improve the rebounding? Just bench Prince and Reaves both for Vando and Rui. Vando is better at rebounding, defending and passing than Prince. Rui has also killed Reaves on the perimeter this year. Rui has played 10% of his time at SG and is a +13.9 at the position this year. Rui has played 60% his time at SF this year and is at +4.6 at the spot this year. Rui has also shot better than Reaves, rebounds just as well, and scores close to the same with less time and less usage, and it matters when 70% of Ruis season has been at 3/2 this year. There’s no world where anyone who watches can say Austin and Prince should start over Rui and Vando
Dlo
Vando
Rui
Bron
AD
Bench
AR
Wood
Prince (no more than 20 mins like he caps Rui)
That wins you games, that wins you the glass. Reaves as a scoring guard like Jamal Crawford minimizes him (bleep) up. Because when Austin gets attacked he loses his legs and can’t shoot or score well. Prince gets his minutes cut and the defense stops sucking as does the rebounding.
And for the love of god play Wood over Hayes. It’s why Wood went lol, he knows he’s easily outplayed Hayes but he can’t get consistent time or even a start because Ham is in love with 13th men like himself.
But don’t give me the Bron, Rui don’t play spill. They’ve played fine on both ends this year. We at a point where Reaves and Prince shouldn’t start the damn games let alone cross 30 mins together
convenient ya'll are ignoring that Ham isn't starting our best lineup and refusing to admit that's hamstringing us. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Last edited by MJST on Thu Feb 01, 2024 11:10 am; edited 1 time in total
This is for the "the backcourt just isn't good enough defensively" people that ignore that Prince is dragging the group down.
@Trevor_Lane
The DLo-Reaves-Vando-LeBron-Davis group currently has a Def Rtg of 88.9, which would be the best in the NBA by a HUGE margin (number 1 is MIN at 109), though it's unsustainable & a product of small sample size w/ just 32 minutes played as a group
Still, that's a crazy number.
The next-best Def Rtg of groups that have played at least 30 min is DLo-Prince-Cam-Rui-Davis at 104.1, then DLo-Prince-Christie-LeBron-Davis at 105.3
Kamenetzky Brothers
@KamBrothers
One of the takeaways here: A core tenet of defensive integrity for the Lakers is… the presence of D’Angelo Russell. AK #StrangeButTrue
"Isn’t it crazy how DLO is in every lineup with he best defensive rating but darvin ham really benched him for a whole month for defensive purposes and our defense plummeted?"
Looks like we ARE good enough... but Ham refuses to play the lineups that the analytics tell him are the best. Because he'd rather stick to what doesn't work, than admit he's wrong.
Some of you are in denial. The issue with our defense has and will always be Reaves.
He's getting abused and picked on against every team with a halfway athletic SG or SF.
Twl other overlooked issues are Bron's sporadic effort on defense and our utter dependence on AD. Those can be resolved by a DFS and Drummond trade.
The smart move would be to send him for Murray and keep DLo. Then moving Rui for DFS and a 2nd. Lastly flip a few 2nds and spare parts for Drummond
DLo
Murray
Vando
Bron
AD
Vincent
DFS
Reddish
Drummond
Christie
Wood
The chances of us winning is slim and you can’t rely on Dlo in the playoff. So why do you want to get rid of AR who is a proven playoff player , younger and on a good contract and a desirable asset as evidence by trade rumors over a flight risk like Dlo. Maybe if Hawks wants to do straight up then it’s a good deal for us.
This is for the "the backcourt just isn't good enough defensively" people that ignore that Prince is dragging the group down.
@Trevor_Lane
The DLo-Reaves-Vando-LeBron-Davis group currently has a Def Rtg of 88.9, which would be the best in the NBA by a HUGE margin (number 1 is MIN at 109), though it's unsustainable & a product of small sample size w/ just 32 minutes played as a group
Still, that's a crazy number.
The next-best Def Rtg of groups that have played at least 30 min is DLo-Prince-Cam-Rui-Davis at 104.1, then DLo-Prince-Christie-LeBron-Davis at 105.3
Kamenetzky Brothers
@KamBrothers
One of the takeaways here: A core tenet of defensive integrity for the Lakers is… the presence of D’Angelo Russell. AK #StrangeButTrue
"Isn’t it crazy how DLO is in every lineup with he best defensive rating but darvin ham really benched him for a whole month for defensive purposes and our defense plummeted?"
Looks like we ARE good enough... but Ham refuses to play the lineups that the analytics tell him are the best. Because he'd rather stick to what doesn't work, than admit he's wrong.
Some of you are in denial. The issue with our defense has and will always be Reaves.
He's getting abused and picked on against every team with a halfway athletic SG or SF.
Twl other overlooked issues are Bron's sporadic effort on defense and our utter dependence on AD. Those can be resolved by a DFS and Drummond trade.
The smart move would be to send him for Murray and keep DLo. Then moving Rui for DFS and a 2nd. Lastly flip a few 2nds and spare parts for Drummond
DLo
Murray
Vando
Bron
AD
Vincent
DFS
Reddish
Drummond
Christie
Wood
I think you may be in denial that our defensive issues are due to more than a single player.
Reaves
Russell
Lebron
Rui
Wood
Prince
Ham
Hayes
You people need to stop blaming all our problems on one single player. This is ridiculous.
That group of players you named
Reaves = - 4.1
Dlo = +1.9
Bron = +1.9
Rui = +3.1
Wood = + 0.8
Prince = -5.1
Ham = Dumbass
Hayes = -7.3
The team suffers when Reaves is on the floor and hunted. To be exact on the year, he’s a -2.5 at the point guard spot (49% his time) and he’s a -5.2 at the sg spot in terms of his differential. He’s not played well and he’s a weak starter. He’s gotten called out on TNT, ESPN, Gil’s Arena and FS1 for teams hunting him this year
Ham compounds AR with a weaker defender in Prince. Prince is also a weaker rebounder. He’s the main guy in the rotation who is a negative, the worst starter but plays the third most minutes on the team and has started every game since preseason. For a breakdown Prince has spent 25% his time at SG and is -7.1. For the sf spot he’s spent 71% his time at he’s a -4.6. And for the PF spot with the rest of his time he’s a -10.9 when he slides there.
You know how you improve the team, improve the defense and improve the rebounding? Just bench Prince and Reaves both for Vando and Rui. Vando is better at rebounding, defending and passing than Prince. Rui has also killed Reaves on the perimeter this year. Rui has played 10% of his time at SG and is a +13.9 at the position this year. Rui has played 60% his time at SF this year and is at +4.6 at the spot this year. Rui has also shot better than Reaves, rebounds just as well, and scores close to the same with less time and less usage, and it matters when 70% of Ruis season has been at 3/2 this year. There’s no world where anyone who watches can say Austin and Prince should start over Rui and Vando
Dlo
Vando
Rui
Bron
AD
Bench
AR
Wood
Prince (no more than 20 mins like he caps Rui)
That wins you games, that wins you the glass. Reaves as a scoring guard like Jamal Crawford minimizes him (bleep) up. Because when Austin gets attacked he loses his legs and can’t shoot or score well. Prince gets his minutes cut and the defense stops sucking as does the rebounding.
And for the love of god play Wood over Hayes. It’s why Wood went lol, he knows he’s easily outplayed Hayes but he can’t get consistent time or even a start because Ham is in love with 13th men like himself.
But don’t give me the Bron, Rui don’t play spill. They’ve played fine on both ends this year. We at a point where Reaves and Prince shouldn’t start the damn games let alone cross 30 mins together
Yep, all these people want to talk about "Denial" but they gloss over the fact at how great our DLO/AR/Vando/LBJ/AD lineup is.. not just last year but THIS year, and the fact that Ham is refusing to start games with it.
The numbers tell that we can be a fine defensive team by replacing Prince with Vando in the starting lineup and they want to scream "NO!! WE NEED THE 30M DOLLAR PLAYER TO REPLACE REAVES!!!"
The numbers say, start Vando and suddenly our defense gets even better to an extremely high level. Ham continuously not doing that is harming the team and it's time they admit that instead of trying to search for the "big trade" for once. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Kindly summarize argument and reply in one 3 lines paragraph por favor _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
Kindly summarize argument and reply in one 3 lines paragraph por favor
You'll need to read this first.
Quote:
@Trevor_Lane
The DLo-Reaves-Vando-LeBron-Davis group currently has a Def Rtg of 88.9, which would be the best in the NBA by a HUGE margin (number 1 is MIN at 109), though it's unsustainable & a product of small sample size w/ just 32 minutes played as a group
Still, that's a crazy number.
The next-best Def Rtg of groups that have played at least 30 min is DLo-Prince-Cam-Rui-Davis at 104.1, then DLo-Prince-Christie-LeBron-Davis at 105.3
Kamenetzky Brothers
@KamBrothers
One of the takeaways here: A core tenet of defensive integrity for the Lakers is… the presence of D’Angelo Russell. AK #StrangeButTrue
"Isn’t it crazy how DLO is in every lineup with he best defensive rating but darvin ham really benched him for a whole month for defensive purposes and our defense plummeted?"
This is the case. Ham is continuing to ignore the analytics that tell us which lineups are the best and he continues to play the worst ones, which hamstrings us defensively. The DLO/AR/Vando/LBJ/AD lineup has an ORtg of 121.3 and a DRtg of 88.9 and Ham would rather "drink wine and sleep" than make it the starting lineup because it benches his precious Prince.
And the people that want a 'big trade' are ignoring that as a major reason for a lot of problems and the reality that our roster has shown it's capable enough, but that Ham is just sabotaging it by intentionally ignoring what the analytics are telling him.
I need TLDR or that TLDR (just kidding!) _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
Kindly summarize argument and reply in one 3 lines paragraph por favor
You'll need to read this first.
Quote:
@Trevor_Lane
The DLo-Reaves-Vando-LeBron-Davis group currently has a Def Rtg of 88.9, which would be the best in the NBA by a HUGE margin (number 1 is MIN at 109), though it's unsustainable & a product of small sample size w/ just 32 minutes played as a group
Still, that's a crazy number.
The next-best Def Rtg of groups that have played at least 30 min is DLo-Prince-Cam-Rui-Davis at 104.1, then DLo-Prince-Christie-LeBron-Davis at 105.3
Kamenetzky Brothers
@KamBrothers
One of the takeaways here: A core tenet of defensive integrity for the Lakers is… the presence of D’Angelo Russell. AK #StrangeButTrue
"Isn’t it crazy how DLO is in every lineup with he best defensive rating but darvin ham really benched him for a whole month for defensive purposes and our defense plummeted?"
This is the case. Ham is continuing to ignore the analytics that tell us which lineups are the best and he continues to play the worst ones, which hamstrings us defensively. The DLO/AR/Vando/LBJ/AD lineup has an ORtg of 121.3 and a DRtg of 88.9 and Ham would rather "drink wine and sleep" than make it the starting lineup because it benches his precious Prince.
And the people that want a 'big trade' are ignoring that as a major reason for a lot of problems and the reality that our roster has shown it's capable enough, but that Ham is just sabotaging it by intentionally ignoring what the analytics are telling him.
That's more or less the TLDR
Even if we fire Ham and get that line up going, it will not stop other teams to keep hunting on Dlo in a playoff series nor will fix his lack of physical tools. And will not stop a 39 years old (who used to impose his will) to just settle for his poor percentage jumpshots.
Let me put it this way, Lebron is no longer in his PRIME to carry this team.
Ham is a freaking idiot and his love affair with Taurean Prince is sabotaging the team.
the tldr of that
Ham is a freaking idiot.
the tldr of that
Fire Darvin Ham.
Lol, got ya bro, u been consistent on that for months _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
If we trade Reaves for Murray we better not include a first rounder. Then i wonder what we do with DLO? Do we revisit the Lavine trade?
Unless he's going to a bottom feeder team, Russell is probably going to have to get a sign & trade done to leave the Lakers. If someone wants to give him an outrageous contract, then they'll get something back on the S+T. If the team plays really well with AD + Bron + Russell + Murray, then I don't see why we wouldn't just keep Russell.
As others have said, we won't get anyone with that 1st rounder that will be anywhere near as good as Murray. If you just said the Lakers are going to trade 6th man K + a mid-low 1st rounder for starter Y who was an all-star 2 seasons ago and is 27, 10/10 times everyone says "do the damn deal". But because it's Austin Reaves, people act like we're gutting the franchise.
Joined: 12 Mar 2012 Posts: 1762 Location: San Francisco, CA
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:19 pm Post subject:
I'm not sure why it's not a no-brainer to go for a D'Lo + Murray backcourt over AR+Murray. The skill sets make so much more sense to pair him with D'Lo. People keep saying "Murray is so much more athletic and plays D!" Sure, so who does that pair better with? The playmaker/3pt shooter. Like Murray doesn't do anything that D'Lo is good at, better. Murray does a lot of what we would want AR to be able to do.
Building around D'Lo, Murray, AD - post LeBron could be promising.
I'm not sure why it's not a no-brainer to go for a D'Lo + Murray backcourt over AR+Murray. The skill sets make so much more sense to pair him with D'Lo. People keep saying "Murray is so much more athletic and plays D!" Sure, so who does that pair better with? The playmaker/3pt shooter. Like Murray doesn't do anything that D'Lo is good at, better. Murray does a lot of what we would want AR to be able to do.
Building around D'Lo, Murray, AD - post LeBron could be promising.
Agreed. DLO+Murray+AD is a solid core we can lean on for next 3 years. Lakers have to pull the trigger if AR is the hold up. They are out of their minds if not _________________ He's my GOAT
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144478 Location: The Gold Coast
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:31 pm Post subject:
CRoost wrote:
MJST wrote:
governator wrote:
Kindly summarize argument and reply in one 3 lines paragraph por favor
You'll need to read this first.
Quote:
@Trevor_Lane
The DLo-Reaves-Vando-LeBron-Davis group currently has a Def Rtg of 88.9, which would be the best in the NBA by a HUGE margin (number 1 is MIN at 109), though it's unsustainable & a product of small sample size w/ just 32 minutes played as a group
Still, that's a crazy number.
The next-best Def Rtg of groups that have played at least 30 min is DLo-Prince-Cam-Rui-Davis at 104.1, then DLo-Prince-Christie-LeBron-Davis at 105.3
Kamenetzky Brothers
@KamBrothers
One of the takeaways here: A core tenet of defensive integrity for the Lakers is… the presence of D’Angelo Russell. AK #StrangeButTrue
"Isn’t it crazy how DLO is in every lineup with he best defensive rating but darvin ham really benched him for a whole month for defensive purposes and our defense plummeted?"
This is the case. Ham is continuing to ignore the analytics that tell us which lineups are the best and he continues to play the worst ones, which hamstrings us defensively. The DLO/AR/Vando/LBJ/AD lineup has an ORtg of 121.3 and a DRtg of 88.9 and Ham would rather "drink wine and sleep" than make it the starting lineup because it benches his precious Prince.
And the people that want a 'big trade' are ignoring that as a major reason for a lot of problems and the reality that our roster has shown it's capable enough, but that Ham is just sabotaging it by intentionally ignoring what the analytics are telling him.
That's more or less the TLDR
Even if we fire Ham and get that line up going, it will not stop other teams to keep hunting on Dlo in a playoff series nor will fix his lack of physical tools. And will not stop a 39 years old (who used to impose his will) to just settle for his poor percentage jumpshots.
Let me put it this way, Lebron is no longer in his PRIME to carry this team.
Replace Prince with Vanderbilt and the defense likely improves but the offense suffers. More offense or more defense? Tough decision but that is the choice you have when your GM fills the roster with one way players. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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You'll need to read this first.
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@Trevor_Lane
The DLo-Reaves-Vando-LeBron-Davis group currently has a Def Rtg of 88.9, which would be the best in the NBA by a HUGE margin (number 1 is MIN at 109), though it's unsustainable & a product of small sample size w/ just 32 minutes played as a group
Still, that's a crazy number.
The next-best Def Rtg of groups that have played at least 30 min is DLo-Prince-Cam-Rui-Davis at 104.1, then DLo-Prince-Christie-LeBron-Davis at 105.3
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One of the takeaways here: A core tenet of defensive integrity for the Lakers is… the presence of D’Angelo Russell. AK #StrangeButTrue
"Isn’t it crazy how DLO is in every lineup with he best defensive rating but darvin ham really benched him for a whole month for defensive purposes and our defense plummeted?"
This is the case. Ham is continuing to ignore the analytics that tell us which lineups are the best and he continues to play the worst ones, which hamstrings us defensively. The DLO/AR/Vando/LBJ/AD lineup has an ORtg of 121.3 and a DRtg of 88.9 and Ham would rather "drink wine and sleep" than make it the starting lineup because it benches his precious Prince.
And the people that want a 'big trade' are ignoring that as a major reason for a lot of problems and the reality that our roster has shown it's capable enough, but that Ham is just sabotaging it by intentionally ignoring what the analytics are telling him.
That's more or less the TLDR
Even if we fire Ham and get that line up going, it will not stop other teams to keep hunting on Dlo in a playoff series nor will fix his lack of physical tools. And will not stop a 39 years old (who used to impose his will) to just settle for his poor percentage jumpshots.
Let me put it this way, Lebron is no longer in his PRIME to carry this team.
Replace Prince with Vanderbilt and the defense likely improves but the offense suffers. More offense or more defense? Tough decision but that is the choice you have when your GM fills the roster with one way players.
Well the offense doesn't suffer with a healthy Vando cutting to the basket, getting rebounds(that Prince never will) and hitting his corner threes. He's been averaging 10 points on 70% shooting on 24 MPG since getting healthier and getting minutes.
Prince on the other hand has been averaging 7 points on 38% from the field and 32% from three in that span of time and getting 27 MPG... _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:36 pm Post subject:
venturalakersfan wrote:
CRoost wrote:
MJST wrote:
governator wrote:
Kindly summarize argument and reply in one 3 lines paragraph por favor
You'll need to read this first.
Quote:
@Trevor_Lane
The DLo-Reaves-Vando-LeBron-Davis group currently has a Def Rtg of 88.9, which would be the best in the NBA by a HUGE margin (number 1 is MIN at 109), though it's unsustainable & a product of small sample size w/ just 32 minutes played as a group
Still, that's a crazy number.
The next-best Def Rtg of groups that have played at least 30 min is DLo-Prince-Cam-Rui-Davis at 104.1, then DLo-Prince-Christie-LeBron-Davis at 105.3
Kamenetzky Brothers
@KamBrothers
One of the takeaways here: A core tenet of defensive integrity for the Lakers is… the presence of D’Angelo Russell. AK #StrangeButTrue
"Isn’t it crazy how DLO is in every lineup with he best defensive rating but darvin ham really benched him for a whole month for defensive purposes and our defense plummeted?"
This is the case. Ham is continuing to ignore the analytics that tell us which lineups are the best and he continues to play the worst ones, which hamstrings us defensively. The DLO/AR/Vando/LBJ/AD lineup has an ORtg of 121.3 and a DRtg of 88.9 and Ham would rather "drink wine and sleep" than make it the starting lineup because it benches his precious Prince.
And the people that want a 'big trade' are ignoring that as a major reason for a lot of problems and the reality that our roster has shown it's capable enough, but that Ham is just sabotaging it by intentionally ignoring what the analytics are telling him.
That's more or less the TLDR
Even if we fire Ham and get that line up going, it will not stop other teams to keep hunting on Dlo in a playoff series nor will fix his lack of physical tools. And will not stop a 39 years old (who used to impose his will) to just settle for his poor percentage jumpshots.
Let me put it this way, Lebron is no longer in his PRIME to carry this team.
Replace Prince with Vanderbilt and the defense likely improves but the offense suffers. More offense or more defense? Tough decision but that is the choice you have when your GM fills the roster with one way players.
Small sample size this season but our offensive numbers improve and the lineup is our best, by far, net rating lineup. Also, last season, our offense obviously wasn't suffering with that lineup.
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