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farzadkavari
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| It's time for serious trade talk. This team isn't it!! |
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Inspector Gadget
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| governator wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | windycitycane wrote: | | .500 boys. It is what it is. |
This team is better than .500
Contenders no but we're better than .500
Boston is a juggernaut of a team. Best team in the league if healthy.
I can honestly say at our best we can hang with anyone.
Too bad for some reason our coach cant adress the 1Q issues with this team.
I have no idea why he doesn't go for an early timeout whenever he sees the team letting up early. |
Dude we can’t hang with anyone only to bottom feeders if our complimentary players have disappearing acts |
If we’re not a contender then it’s time to move on from LeBron or trade up to become a contender with LeBron, can’t be stuck |
LeBron has no trade value in a sense that if we trade him the Lakers are gonna want a major haul and LeBron’s camp wouldn’t want team trading for him to give up the farm |
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KingKobe20
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Valdarno
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Wood can’t be worse than what Hayes is giving us. At least he can score. |
If Hayes is getting burned on defense, you might as well just use Wood. |
Can't a bleeping reporter ask Ham why he is not playing Wood??? |
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Kblo247!
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2023 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Valdarno wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Wood can’t be worse than what Hayes is giving us. At least he can score. |
If Hayes is getting burned on defense, you might as well just use Wood. |
Can't a bleeping reporter ask Ham why he is not playing Wood??? |
Most likely the same deacon every coach before him stopped playing him, not talent but attitude and other (bleep) … been the same on every team he’s on. He’s a 17 and 9 guy but every coach gets tired of him and every front office gets rid of him |
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Polarbear
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The real question is if Hayes obviously isn’t it? Why are we not bringing along: Castleton
Yes, he’s going to get out muscle at times because he needs to get in the weight room, but he actually has skill both offensively defensively |
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JustaObserver
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2023 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Polarbear wrote: | The real question is if Hayes obviously isn’t it? Why are we not bringing along: Castleton
Yes, he’s going to get out muscle at times because he needs to get in the weight room, but he actually has skill both offensively defensively |
Ham says No...maintain business as usual..hands back in pockets. |
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JerryWest_44
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| First quarter disaster |
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lakersken80
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| TMG wrote: | | windycitycane wrote: | | .500 boys. It is what it is. |
This team is better than .500
Contenders no but we're better than .500
Boston is a juggernaut of a team. Best team in the league if healthy.
I can honestly say at our best we can hang with anyone.
Too bad for some reason our coach cant adress the 1Q issues with this team.
I have no idea why he doesn't go for an early timeout whenever he sees the team letting up early. |
You are what your record says it is....right now they are an average team. The in season tournament seems so long ago. |
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lakersfever714
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Headcoach or roster? So fire Ham or fire Pelinka? Because I'm tired of seeing average, middle of the road performance that gets us nowhere.
Jeanie isn't as passionate about the Lakers/Celtics rivalry as her dad. If she was, heads would roll righr now.
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anth2000
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | Headcoach or roster? So fire Ham or fire Pelinka? Because I'm tired of seeing average, middle of the road performance that gets us nowhere.
Jeanie isn't as passionate about the Lakers/Celtics rivalry as her dad. If she was, heads would roll righr now. |
Jeanie the idiot is into Women in Wrestling.
Moron, that woman. |
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1995Lakers
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Jarred Vanderbilt sucks.....I am going to keep saying it. The DUDE SUCKS. Stop playing him until he proves he can shoot. The guy is a one man wrecking crew on offense and is a big reason LA lost today with the way he clogged the paint and allowing Porzingis to roam. I would happily dump Vanderbilt over Rui. Rui can win playoff games for you. Vanderbilt will only ruin playoff games for you cause of the spacing issues and because he isnt a playoff performer.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Polarbear wrote: | The real question is if Hayes obviously isn’t it? Why are we not bringing along: Castleton
Yes, he’s going to get out muscle at times because he needs to get in the weight room, but he actually has skill both offensively defensively |
I like this idea  . |
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1995Lakers
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| Hayes is another one that is just plain horrible. Just play small and D'Lo more minutes than give anything to the useless Sideshow Bob Hayes |
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TDRock
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Valdarno wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Wood can’t be worse than what Hayes is giving us. At least he can score. |
If Hayes is getting burned on defense, you might as well just use Wood. |
Can't a bleeping reporter ask Ham why he is not playing Wood??? |
I feel like Woike did once and Ham danced around the question
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Dominic1981
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| Porzingis and Holiday give the Celtics a different gear than they had before. When you have 4 guys that could all be big scorers, with Tatum/Brown now in their primes it’d be a disappointing season if they didn’t win it all. They should have never lost to the Heat last year and this year I can def see them beating the Nuggets in the Finals again. Can the Bucks stop them? Doubtful |
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Zillethai
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Lakers are a mid level team.. along with the Warriors and Rockets and Suns.
Nuggets, Clippers, OKC, T Wolves, Mavs, Kings are all above them. |
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Hard_Butter
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| BirdMagicLegend wrote: | Woohoo!
Beat LA!!
It's always great Christmas present to beat the Lakers. |
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But do have a Merry Christmas, you filthy animal.
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mad55557777
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| Zillethai wrote: | Lakers are a mid level team.. along with the Warriors and Rockets and Suns.
Nuggets, Clippers, OKC, T Wolves, Mavs, Kings are all above them. |
Lakers are not a bad team, so let’s throw that out of the window. Lakers are only great when Lebron is on, so it is hard to see this team going anywhere given lebron is 39 years old. |
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Kobetan
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| Lakers have a very good ceiling, but unfortunately a very poor floor as well. Huge problem is they can't sustain their ceiling, and their bad floor play may not even squeeze them into the playoffs |
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BirdMagicLegend
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| Hard_Butter wrote: | | BirdMagicLegend wrote: | Woohoo!
Beat LA!!
It's always great Christmas present to beat the Lakers. |
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Merry Christmas to you too.
I'm just enjoying my own QFTOS on this board since that is a topic that Lakersground love to do after every win. You don't see a QFTOS topic for Laker fans on the Celtics forums this morning.
Also what's with the cheering for the Celtics at the end of the game??? That was very surprising 
I hope you realize that Laker fans sound just as bad or worse when they lose
and today was a loss. Enjoy your in season championship though.
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Four Decade Bandwagon
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | Lakers are a mid level team.. along with the Warriors and Rockets and Suns.
Nuggets, Clippers, OKC, T Wolves, Mavs, Kings are all above them. |
Lakers are not a bad team, so let’s throw that out of the window. Lakers are only great when Lebron is on, so it is hard to see this team going anywhere given lebron is 39 years old. |
The Lebron issue is the elephant in the room though. Has been for the past few years. How do you balance the necessity to rely on a player that can’t be relied upon to play the mins or games to consistently win?
He has amazing moments. Just few amazing games.
I also question the “can’t be traded” premise. Why? Is he a top 10 player or not? Can he make a difference on a borderline team to get over the hump? He seems to struggle to do that with the Lakers. But maybe a fresh vibe changes that.
Of the list above the Warriors seem the most likely. Would they trade for one last run at a Championship? Would James agree if he was able to get to play with Paul and Curry? What would they give up? Would the Lakers want to include a headcase like Green into the deal?
How about a package starting with Wiggins, Looney, Kuminga? Or Thompson, Kuminga?
How about the Suns? Take advantage of their disgruntled lockerroom and try to get Booker?
I agree a James is a legend in the League. But not untouchable IMO. Just need the right situation to help both teams. Or we can just hope he can play 35+mpg for the season, trade for players “ that help him”, and remain healthy enough to make that 16 game playoff run one more time. |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | Lakers are a mid level team.. along with the Warriors and Rockets and Suns.
Nuggets, Clippers, OKC, T Wolves, Mavs, Kings are all above them. |
Lakers are not a bad team, so let’s throw that out of the window. Lakers are only great when Lebron is on, so it is hard to see this team going anywhere given lebron is 39 years old. |
The Lebron issue is the elephant in the room though. Has been for the past few years. How do you balance the necessity to rely on a player that can’t be relied upon to play the mins or games to consistently win?
He has amazing moments. Just few amazing games.
I also question the “can’t be traded” premise. Why? Is he a top 10 player or not? Can he make a difference on a borderline team to get over the hump? He seems to struggle to do that with the Lakers. But maybe a fresh vibe changes that.
Of the list above the Warriors seem the most likely. Would they trade for one last run at a Championship? Would James agree if he was able to get to play with Paul and Curry? What would they give up? Would the Lakers want to include a headcase like Green into the deal?
How about a package starting with Wiggins, Looney, Kuminga? Or Thompson, Kuminga?
How about the Suns? Take advantage of their disgruntled lockerroom and try to get Booker?
I agree a James is a legend in the League. But not untouchable IMO. Just need the right situation to help both teams. Or we can just hope he can play 35+mpg for the season, trade for players “ that help him”, and remain healthy enough to make that 16 game playoff run one more time. |
You think we'll be able to get booker for a 40 year old Lebron really?
Lebron and AD ain't the issue. Matter of fact both of them have been pretty (bleep) great this season.
It's not Lebrons fault our guys cant hit wide open threes whilst other teams role players can.
Not Lebrons fault our guards are negatives on the defensive end.
Not Lebrons fault we've got borderline G-league players as backup bigs.
and that GSW trade is laughably bad. Really Wiggins-Looney
'Might as well blow it up and get some real value for both stars. |
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| TMG wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | Lakers are a mid level team.. along with the Warriors and Rockets and Suns.
Nuggets, Clippers, OKC, T Wolves, Mavs, Kings are all above them. |
Lakers are not a bad team, so let’s throw that out of the window. Lakers are only great when Lebron is on, so it is hard to see this team going anywhere given lebron is 39 years old. |
The Lebron issue is the elephant in the room though. Has been for the past few years. How do you balance the necessity to rely on a player that can’t be relied upon to play the mins or games to consistently win?
He has amazing moments. Just few amazing games.
I also question the “can’t be traded” premise. Why? Is he a top 10 player or not? Can he make a difference on a borderline team to get over the hump? He seems to struggle to do that with the Lakers. But maybe a fresh vibe changes that.
Of the list above the Warriors seem the most likely. Would they trade for one last run at a Championship? Would James agree if he was able to get to play with Paul and Curry? What would they give up? Would the Lakers want to include a headcase like Green into the deal?
How about a package starting with Wiggins, Looney, Kuminga? Or Thompson, Kuminga?
How about the Suns? Take advantage of their disgruntled lockerroom and try to get Booker?
I agree a James is a legend in the League. But not untouchable IMO. Just need the right situation to help both teams. Or we can just hope he can play 35+mpg for the season, trade for players “ that help him”, and remain healthy enough to make that 16 game playoff run one more time. |
You think we'll be able to get booker for a 40 year old Lebron really?
Lebron and AD ain't the issue. Matter of fact both of them have been pretty (bleep) great this season.
It's not Lebrons fault our guys cant hit wide open threes whilst other teams role players can.
Not Lebrons fault our guards are negatives on the defensive end.
Not Lebrons fault we've got borderline G-league players as backup bigs.
and that GSW trade is laughably bad. Really Wiggins-Looney
'Might as well blow it up and get some real value for both stars. |
Curious what “real value” means to you?
Davis would bring back a quality package. IMO he is the one you build around. His two way talent is worth more than any blow it up package.
So that leaves James. Keep him and continue down the same “hope for good health” and the annual roster shuffle at the trade deadline to get him the help he needs? Or does he have trade value?
As for my trade ideas, just spitballing for players that would help this Laker team for a few years. I’m guessing it will never happen. But even if it did it would likely be multi team and a bigger package than a couple core players I mentioned.
It goes to the question of “what is James worth in trade” Is he a top 10 player that helps a mid tier team compete or is he a legend that gives you some spectacular moments but not enough to win games consistently?
IMO the Lakers missed the opportunity to trade him a season ago. Now we are just another mid tier team that has hopes everything goes perfectly for a chance to compete. While the real contenders absorb the injuries and poor shooting nights but still win games. I remember those days and Laker teams. |
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