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Brawn13
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| levon wrote: | | rybee wrote: | I hate the overhelping, just let them take two. Same spot Kleber hit that three  |
This does us in every night and Luka is literally the worst opponent to use that kind of coverage on |
Yup, we love to take a chance at losing the game versus playing another 5 minutes by being smart and letting them have the 2 |
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rybee
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| Man, a W would've had the Lakers in the 4th spot, instead they drop down all the way to 7. Early of course, but shows how close the West is going to be all season, these games are important. |
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1995Lakers
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| rybee wrote: | | Man, a W would've had the Lakers in the 4th spot, instead they drop down all the way to 7. Early of course, but shows how close the West is going to be all season. |
They are who they are....not a serious contender. |
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Runway8
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| AR and Bron share the blame pie. AR for not having enough confidence in himself. He was having one of those "HIM" moments, but because he missed a shot, he deferred to LeTired who launched a three. Then next possession, LeTired passes the ball to a ghost. AR for leaving Kyrie. But this head scratcher is not just on AR, it's on a million basketball players and plays in the history of the NBA. For some reason, they can't help themselves, they are so freaking programed to help that even when they're not supposed to, they do it. |
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Treble Clef
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | undefeatedAJ wrote: | Kobe would’ve made that
I keed |
Remember that shot Kobe hit as a buzzer beater vs the Kings in New Years Day 2010????? Same spot Bron took just now.....almost same motion too....the hop, gather and jumper although Kobe was not fading away. One of 6 buzzer beater Kobe hit that year. |
They both missed shots like this most of the time, just like every other player. |
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eddiejonze
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | eddiejonze wrote: | | Christ and you know it’s funny this is Kyrie’s finals. He was so determined to hit that three but he’s such a loser flat earther, he can’t play like that all the time the guy is a chump. |
Champ |
Yes, regular season champ…thanks for making my point for me.
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Inspector Gadget
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Treble Clef wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | For a guy who has 39k points he tends to take stupid shots in clutch situation, I’m not taking anything away from his heroics in the 4th but recent history tells us he’s not a clutch player anymore |
Haven’t his clutch stats been unreal so far this season?  |
His PPG in the 4th have been great but I still don’t feel confident when he takes a 3 in a clutch situation, he has all the skills to take it the basket, it was just a stupid decision on his part |
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Lonzo-Lite
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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AR shouldn’t have left Kyrie out on the perimeter for that 3 too. Lots of mistakes in the final 30 seconds.
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anth2000
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Good comeback.
No moral victory.
Reaves and Lebron choked at the end.
Ham should be fired for not calling the initial timeout. |
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Treble Clef
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | The timeout shouldve been called up 2 or down by 1.
Bron was dead tired. Use one of your two timeouts to get him some rest.
I’m not even gonna say to draw up a play cause we know that ain’t happening |
Fatigue is going to be an issue and I think it’s going to be a tough decision all year. No game is out of reach because the other team is always going to let the Lakers back in so do you play LeBron and AD heavy minutes to take some of those games and risk burning them out or just load manage them and lose games you could have won? I don’t know what the right answer is. |
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mad55557777
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | AR shouldn’t have left Kyrie out on the perimeter for that 3 too. Lots of mistakes in the final 30 seconds. |
Yeah, worst defense possession in the clutch. AR has to know better. Luka was going to force a 2 point shot (only ties the game), and we gave him an easy pass to wide open Kyrie for a 3?? That’s like leaving Steph open for a 3 |
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Brawn13
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| How many times are we gonna lose the same exact way? Ham needs to tell them guard the damn three when we’re up 2 in the closing seconds ffs |
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miggz23
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What do Ham expect there... Lebron plays the whole 4th again and looks tired to close out. This is on the back end of the back to back also.
Lakers had two timeouts left there... Why not call 1 of those before Lebrons 3 or after Kyrie made the shot to draw up a better play. Also give Lebron a short rest? |
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miggz23
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | How many times are we gonna lose the same exact way? Ham needs to tell them guard the damn three when we’re up 2 in the closing seconds ffs |
What was Reaves doing on that Kyrie 3... Totally sagged off him for no reason and put himself in no mans land. |
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rock0100
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I hate Darwin Ham. Im not even using his real name anymore.
I would have fired him for Monty Williams. Udoke even. |
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Lakesh0wtime
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| miggz23 wrote: | What do Ham expect there... Lebron plays the whole 4th again and looks tired to close out. This is on the back end of the back to back also.
Lakers had two timeouts left there... Why not call 1 of those before Lebrons 3 or after Kyrie made the shot to draw up a better play. Also give Lebron a short rest? |
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FYL:
LA was 1-5 from the FT line in the 4th quarter.  |
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Inspector Gadget
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| rock0100 wrote: | I hate Darwin Ham. Im not even using his real name anymore.
I would have fired him for Monty Williams. Udoke even. |
The same Monty who has the Pistons on like a 10 game losing streak with a legit PG on the roster? |
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Treble Clef
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| pio2u wrote: | FYL:
LA was 1-5 from the FT line in the 4th quarter. |
Missing 4 in a row really hurt. |
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Brawn13
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Brawn13 wrote: | | How many times are we gonna lose the same exact way? Ham needs to tell them guard the damn three when we’re up 2 in the closing seconds ffs |
What was Reaves doing on that Kyrie 3... Totally sagged off him for no reason and put himself in no mans land. |
We’re so bad at stopping penetration…it’s instinct at this point for our team to help on drives |
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miggz23
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Brawn13 wrote: | | How many times are we gonna lose the same exact way? Ham needs to tell them guard the damn three when we’re up 2 in the closing seconds ffs |
What was Reaves doing on that Kyrie 3... Totally sagged off him for no reason and put himself in no mans land. |
We’re so bad at stopping penetration…it’s instinct at this point for our team to help on drives |
That was not a penetration... Prince had good position on Luka. But Reaves was already camping on the FT area before that play develop. You're up 2, so why give up a wide open 3? Out of anyone on the court, the guy you decide to leave open is Kyrie? Makes no sense.
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Lakesh0wtime
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Brawn13 wrote: | | How many times are we gonna lose the same exact way? Ham needs to tell them guard the damn three when we’re up 2 in the closing seconds ffs |
What was Reaves doing on that Kyrie 3... Totally sagged off him for no reason and put himself in no mans land. |
We’re so bad at stopping penetration…it’s instinct at this point for our team to help on drives |
I also don’t get Prince totally overplaying Luka to go middle.
I get guarding him to go one way but Prince basically gave him middle. |
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Brawn13
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Brawn13 wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Brawn13 wrote: | | How many times are we gonna lose the same exact way? Ham needs to tell them guard the damn three when we’re up 2 in the closing seconds ffs |
What was Reaves doing on that Kyrie 3... Totally sagged off him for no reason and put himself in no mans land. |
We’re so bad at stopping penetration…it’s instinct at this point for our team to help on drives |
That was not a penetration... Prince had good position on Luka. But Reaves aws already camping on the FT area before that play even developed. You're up 2, so why give up a wide open 3. Out of anyone on the court, the guy you decide to leave open is Kyrie? Makes no sense. |
Sure doesn’t. But Ham comes from the Bud coaching tree where it’s no two’s and live with what happens from 3. Of course that strategy has gotten the Bucks killed in the playoffs and ultimately why Bud was fired.
Ham better make that adjustment…. |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | | Brawn13 wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Brawn13 wrote: | | How many times are we gonna lose the same exact way? Ham needs to tell them guard the damn three when we’re up 2 in the closing seconds ffs |
What was Reaves doing on that Kyrie 3... Totally sagged off him for no reason and put himself in no mans land. |
We’re so bad at stopping penetration…it’s instinct at this point for our team to help on drives |
I also don’t get Prince totally overplaying Luka to go middle.
I get guarding him to go one way but Prince basically gave him middle. |
Maybe because AD was there? I was kind of thinking they wanted to just give Luka a contested 2, until he saw Kyrie open |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Predictable loss because once again on a B2B the Lakers are relying on LeGrandpa while day to Davis takes the night off and can’t produce in B2B situations.
So long as we are relying on 39 year old LeGrandpa and Day to Davis to be our 1/2, we will continue to have this issue.
This team, if nothing else, is predictable. The role players are just like any other role players…the variance in this team is day to Davis and whether he feels like playing/producing like a star or not.
We can marvel all we want at LBJ at 39, but Father Time or not, he can’t dominate a game like 28 year old Lebron could…numbers don’t matter, just the facts/biology of being 10 years younger. |
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